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Spider bull has been killed
Earlier this morning, Denny Austad (the Governor's tag holder), killed the Spider bull. He spent nearly an entire month hunting this great bull. Last week, they found him but Denny missed a 190 yard shot. Today, they closed the deal. While I can't believe they already have a good idea of his measurements, word is he grosses 500 4/8 and nets around 488!
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dang. I was still pullin for some kid who just lucked into him. Oh well.
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I understand from SEVERAL sources that Doyle Moss and his guides camp on the animals. Have a great ability to have vehicle failures that block road access to other hunters, and persuade the animals to go to private land he has leased. In my opinion a VERY shady deal, at best!!!!!
He is NOT the most popular guide in Utah for his well known tactics. |
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ooo well....I also was pulling for a young hunter to get him... I'm only eighteen, but when I helped my little cousin get her first little doe, it was the best hunitng experience ever.
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Deeker, your 'sources' are wrong. You come on here and trash the guy and his guides, and I'll bet you've never been around any of them. You might not realize it, but I spent twelve days hunting in the same area as them. I never witnessed anything like you're alleging. I did find a road blocked by a cut down tree, but the landowner did it to keep everyone off his property. They hunted their asses off while I was there, and for two weeks plus after the bow season ended. How is that camping on an animal? They hunted him for nearly six weeks, and a full month with the governors tag holder. And you come on here and trash these guys. The jealousy displayed by some people is really getting old.....
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ORIGINAL: CAelknuts Deeker, your 'sources' are wrong. You come on here and trash the guy and his guides, and I'll bet you've never been around any of them. You might not realize it, but I spent twelve days hunting in the same area as them. I never witnessed anything like you're alleging. I did find a road blocked by a cut down tree, but the landowner did it to keep everyone off his property. They hunted their asses off while I was there, and for two weeks plus after the bow season ended. How is that camping on an animal? They hunted him for nearly six weeks, and a full month with the governors tag holder. And you come on here and trash these guys. The jealousy displayed by some people is really getting old..... |
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For those who are interested, good pictures are now posted on Mossback's website. You can view them by going to www.mossback.com
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Just curious... what does "governor's tag holder" mean?
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Congratulations to Denny Austad and the Mossback crew! I think the whole thing stinks to high hell to be honest and it make me want to puke |
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ORIGINAL: stealthycat II Congratulations to Denny Austad and the Mossback crew! I think the whole thing stinks to high hell to be honest and it make me want to puke |
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ORIGINAL: deeker I understand from SEVERAL sources that Doyle Moss and his guides camp on the animals. Have a great ability to have vehicle failures that block road access to other hunters, and persuade the animals to go to private land he has leased. In my opinion a VERY shady deal, at best!!!!! He is NOT the most popular guide in Utah for his well known tactics. |
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Bigcountry, that's stealthy's own estimate of what the hunt cost. He's been whining about this concept for years over on bowsite. Mr. Austad did apparently pay $170,000 for the governor's tag, which of course if a huge donation to the Utah Department of Wildlife; and in turn he got a special tag that allows him to hunt longer than anyone else. He can afford it, he hunted hard and long to get this bull, and I congratulate him. Stealthy is devastated because somebody else has opportunities that he never made for himself.
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Wow, so the $200,000 estimate sounds low to me then. That's about what I was thinking, but I was thinking the governor's tag was only around $75k or so. I was thinking that keeping the mossback crew with you for a full month would be pushing close to $100k based on what it costs to hire 1 guide on a 1x1 week long hunt. Multiply that by 6 on the mossback crew and a full month and you get into some major bucks.
It is an unbelievable bull, and I have no doubt that it did take some serious effort to close the deal, but that was one expensive elk!! Imagine how it would have turned out if he hunted him for a month and he took off and ran in front of some no-name local guy who took the week off work to go out hunting on his own or with a friend and he shot him instead! |
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While the big money spent on special tags such as this and the sheep tags in Idaho go a long ways towards filling the coffers of the game departments, I hate seeing the big money = big horns side of hunting, I worry it does more harm than good for the hunting community as a whole. I guess its just an opinion coming from someone who was raised around a culture where hunting was about filling the freezer and racks were left on the mountain. I admit to being a horn nut the same as the next guy, but I like big effort = big horns hunting. I guess from the sound of it these guys did put in the effort, so for that I applaud them.
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Where did the 200K come in play? CAelknuts you're funny ....... I can kill a big bull for $$$ too ........ there is no hunting involved. Notice the other kills Austad made ... other big bulls, a whopper mule deer, all with Mossback finding the animals and Austad shooting them. I got no jealousy towards buying an animal and shooting it, no hunter does - make no mistake, there was no hunting here by the shooter, all the hunting was done by a bunch and I have no doubt that it did take some serious effort to close the deal I mean c'mon, they poured dozens of people into finding..... HOUNDING... that bull until the GPS coordinates and radio's finally matched the bull up with the shooter and yeah, I'm not calling him a hunter ..... its my opinion he paid $200,000 for horn porn, and he did pull the trigger but did he HUNT this bull, I mean REALLY HUNT IT ? I'm saying no from everything I've read |
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ORIGINAL: CAelknuts Bigcountry, that's stealthy's own estimate of what the hunt cost. He's been whining about this concept for years over on bowsite. Mr. Austad did apparently pay $170,000 for the governor's tag, which of course if a huge donation to the Utah Department of Wildlife; and in turn he got a special tag that allows him to hunt longer than anyone else. He can afford it, he hunted hard and long to get this bull, and I congratulate him. Stealthy is devastated because somebody else has opportunities that he never made for himself. |
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I waffle back and forth on this issue. I've never hired an outfitter but I will probably have to if I ever want to shoot a Moose as there aren't a lot of Moose in Texas last I checked. I did look into moose hunting a little and it looks like you can line up a hunt in Eastern Canada for around $5k and have a decent chance at a 50" moose or you can spend $20k and go to the Yukon with Jim Shockey and have almost a guarantee on a 60" moose. Which would mean that I was a better hunter?
I connected on an elk this year, but I had a friend who showed me his special spots and did the bugling when the elk came in so does that make me less of a hunter? Probably to some extent, although I hung around and hunted hard with them for the rest of the week trying to close the deal on another elk for them. Living in Texas I sure didn't have the opportunity to find a few good elk hunting spots in the wilderness in Wyoming. Once I was there I felt that I was as good at keeping quiet and scent free and spoting sign and listening and looking for elk as they were though. It is a very difficult line to draw for me. I respect the guy who shot the spider bull ALOT more than the guys that go up to a high fenced place in Saskatewan and close the deal on one that they pick out based on how much they can afford. This WAS a public land bull and several other folks did have a chance to kill him if they could have found him first. He was by no means guaranteed to kill that bull, it sounded like it took them a while to close the deal to me, help or no help. He could have spent that same $200k and ended up with nothing. |
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As I've already posted, I would have liked for some newbie to have killed this one and I think if the mossback guys pulled any chicanery (blocking roads, etc) in order to eliminate competition, then shame on them.
What I don't understand "stealthy", is your overall objection. What's the difference between this type of deal and a guy who pays $5 or 6000 for a regular guided Elk hunt??? In either case the guides are doing much of the work, it's just that in this case EVERYTHING is amplified to the nth degree, but it's all really the same isn't it...just more of it??? What exactly do you disgree with?? The fact that there are these type of "special tags"???That some dude has the resources to employ a small army (as opposed to just a couple of people...like a normal fully guided trip)??? Obviously the guides see this guy as a meal ticket, but don't most guides see clients in that light???...the ones I know do. If you were in this guys den and saw that huge Elk and he told you the story, wouldn't any hunter realize that it wasn't through his hunting abilities, for the most part,that hebagged this animal?? (althoughhe may have some ability...I don't know). As long as nothing illegal was done here (and no bs was pulled by the guides)...it's still a fair chase animal that could have been killed by anyone. I know you have a point, I'm just not sure what it is, and don't know if it applies just to this situation or could be applied in a broader scope...and if that's the case then it may be a slippery slope. |
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His money...his hunt. If he's happy then it tickles the shiite out of me!
BUT....I have no way of knowing the particulars. As there are 6 others in the picture and their website congratulates "team Mossback", I assume there were multiple guides involved. And if indeed they have had a group up there basically "marking" this bull for the lastcouple ofmonths, then in my book, no different than going to some game ranch and having them put you on one. Same thing. Is it legal, apparently. Did it give this guy satisfaction, apparently.He doesn't haveto suit me in any way and doesn't give a rats arse what I think. Though for me personally, I would get no satisfaction from such an endeavor. My guess is that he does. So more power to him. I will tell you that when he looks up at that bull on his wall or floor, he won't get one more ounce of pride or satisfactionthan I get looking at anything I have ever killed. To each his own. |
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ORIGINAL: RedRiverHntr His money...his hunt. If he's happy then it tickles the shiite out of me! BUT....I have no way of knowing the particulars. As there are 6 others in the picture and their website congratulates "team Mossback", I assume there were multiple guides involved. And if indeed they have had a group up there basically "marking" this bull for the lastcouple ofmonths, then in my book, no different than going to some game ranch and having them put you on one. Same thing. Is it legal, apparently. Did it give this guy satisfaction, apparently.He doesn't haveto suit me in any way and doesn't give a rats arse what I think. Though for me personally, I would get no satisfaction from such an endeavor. My guess is that he does. So more power to him. I will tell you that when he looks up at that bull on his wall or floor, he won't get one more ounce of pride or satisfactionthan I get looking at anything I have ever killed. To each his own. I couldnot of said it better. To me it is no diffrent between this bull and that huge monster killed last year that was a high fenced bull.This elk is the same as a 4-H steer,groomed and proccesed. CAElknuts, I assume you are from California by your handle,then I geuss that explaines it.Deeker is not the only one talking about their tactics. For all you others who enjoy the true art of "Fair-chase" good luck and be safe,kill a big'un!!!! BBJ |
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I think saying that there is no difference between this bull and a high fenced bull is over the top.
It did take them a solid month of hunting to close the deal on this guy. Maybe I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt, but I would assume that the shooter was with them most of the time hunting some pretty rugged country. If the guy was sitting back at camp eating steaks until they located the bull and then he just went and shot it that might be a different story, but I don't think that was the case. At any time during that month anyone with a license could have shot this bull that was on PUBLIC land. The fact that he spent so much money on the tag and guides does detract from the accomplishment, but it doesn't equate to hunting a high fence IMO. Boone & Crockett doesn't think so either. My 2 cents. Nathan |
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i have heard from reliable sources that the blocking of the road statement is TRUE. It did not happen to them, but of their friends who drew a tag and they all live in UT.
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npaden 4 years ago I paid a guy $500 to scout and find me a big Colorado muley buck, and give me the are that buck was in. Why? I wanted to do it myself, the hiking, packing etc. I saved 13 years of PP's and I wanted to give myself an edge towards killing a monster mule deer. I wanted 180" plus.
Hiking in, 3 horses rode up on me on the trail. 3 locals. We talked for a while and here is what I found out. Every weekend for the whole damn summer these 3 fellows had rode horses into those mtns looking for a big buck. Every weekend they missed some family time, spent family money and worked hard to find THE buck. They found him too .... 2 of them. A huge non-typical and a huge typical. Right where my $500 guy told me they were. I did NOTHING but pay $500 and here I was competing directly for those 2 bucks. I felt like dog schit to be honest with you and ashamed. Why? Becuase I took short cuts and hunting isn't suppose to be short cuts. Those 3 DESERVED either of those bucks, i didn't. I apologized to them, and hiked into an adjacent canyon. They were so grateful - because I was being a hunter and doing the right thing - I bet they never imagined that happening. What I don't understand "stealthy", is your overall objection. What's the difference between this type of deal and a guy who pays $5 or 6000 for a regular guided Elk hunt??? In either case the guides are doing much of the work, it's just that in this case EVERYTHING is amplified to the nth degree, but it's all really the same isn't it...just more of it??? $6,000 will make you do some things .... $200,000 will make you do damn near ANYTHING for that one particular bull Its all about the antlers - that's the problem I have - would he have killed the bull if 1/2 his right rack was broken off ? Its not about hunting the trophy animal, its net & gross score and this bull had it all and they spent tens of thousands .... HUNDREDS of thousands, dozens of men and hundreds of hours to finally corner him using radio's planes probably, GPS's and underhanded (but legal) tactics that would make any of us puke but hey, Mossback got him huh ? hooorah ! If you were in this guys den and saw that huge Elk and he told you the story, wouldn't any hunter realize that it wasn't through his hunting abilities, for the most part,that hebagged this animal?? (althoughhe may have some ability...I don't know). |
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So if you hadn't paid the $500 for the guy to tell you where the big deer were and you came upon the knowledge in another fashion (game warden told you, a friend who had been in the area that summer saw them and told you, etc.) would you have still gone after the deer if you had talked to those hunters? Is it strictly that you paid for the knowledge?
What if you just picked that area on a random basis and then talked to these guys and they told you they had scouted the area and knew there were big bucks in it? Would you have left for another area then? At some point you have to decide that it is public land and not someone's private playground. I'm just wondering where your line is. Some might think that since they were riding horses and you were on foot that they had an unfair advantage. It sounds like you started out ahead of them and they caught up with you anyway. What if those 3 guys worked for Mossback and were just lying to you so they could get their client hooked up with a monster mulie!! ;) |
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I have to admit, I have went on guided hunts for moose, and looking back, I got very little satisfaction out of the hunt. My favorite kill was last year, when I scouted hard, found good sign during the rut, knew it was a big deer. And bowkilled a nice respectable 7pt on heavily hunted public land. I have killed bigger, but that kill was my best.
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have you read monster muley boards ? do you know how far these Mossback type guiys go ? $6,000 will make you do some things .... $200,000 will make you do damn near ANYTHING for that one particular bull As far as the antlers, although it's easy to rail against horn porn, especially in a cage (unlike this scenario). Antlers make part of even the legitimate hunting world go round. That's why there are special draws, super tags, trophy areas, bonus points in many cases. I was hoping the ol spider bull would break off his antler, but, in the end, I would have had no problem if the guides/shooter were ethical in their pursuit, no matter to what financial end they pursued him. If there are questions about their actions then that is another story. The spider seemed doomed from the beginning although lately it seemed that he may have been a little cagier then was first suspected...but the odds were stacked atoo far against him. 4 years ago I paid a guy $500 to scout and find me a big Colorado muley buck, and give me the are that buck was in........................these 3 fellows had rode horses into those mtns looking for a big buck. Every weekend they missed some family time, spent family money and worked hard to find THE buck. |
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So if you hadn't paid the $500 for the guy to tell you where the big deer were and you came upon the knowledge in another fashion (game warden told you, a friend who had been in the area that summer saw them and told you, etc.) would you have still gone after the deer if you had talked to those hunters? Is it strictly that you paid for the knowledge? No I haven't and like I said if the mossback guys were doing something shady then shame on them. because it matters, thats why Yes, but let's say that a hunter in your shoes (in this scenario) also worked hard, spent time away from family, to make the extra money that earned him this same knowledge...plus he stayed awake for 30hrs straight to get there, paid much larger license fees, had only one shot (the week he was there.... unlike the guys that could hunt off and on for months). Doesn't seem like a lot of inequity there... look, the things earned in life are vastly more important than the things bought of given you buy a 500" bull and it really means you shot a bull you paid a lot of money for, its nothing more than that, its not hunting, and it never will be and because its become SO popular to do it we're losing what hunting really is all about |
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I dont know why but this whole thing just kinda made me think about the Jimmy Houston incident. Just without the cage.
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Who is denny austad?
Was this killed on Monroe? I heard that someone shot a 430 with a muzzle loader on the 27th on the beaver mt. |
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Hillbillyhunter, perhaps you should pay a little more attention to what others write. I never did say "absolutely not" about the things they did or didn't do. I was there, and saw more than just about anyone else who is posting on here. They struck me as decent and ethical hunters from what I saw, and that is more than I can say about some of the DIY hunters who I encountered. I'm simply passing along observations of what I saw, and the opinions I developed as a result of my observations. Where you got the "absolutely not" comment is beyond me. As for blocking roads, I spoke with one of the people involved with some trees being cut down, and he told me in no uncertain terms it was done by the landowner because he didn't want everyone driving on roads that led through the middle of his property. I don't have a problem with that, but do have a problem with people who couldn't even find their way to the unit today saying it was someone else. That's nothing more than clueless speculation.
Barebackjack, It's interesting that you think the fact that I'm from California explains my viewpoint. I don't know where you're from, or care. I guess you don't realize, or perhaps you don't care, that I might be the only person posting about this elk who was actually elk hunting in the same unit, in the same places as the Mossback guides and hunter, along with quite a few other draw tag hunters. In case you don't quite comprehend what I just said -- I WAS THERE. Were you? I saw these guys hunting, I know where they hunted and have a good idea of how they hunted. I ran into them a couple times, either in town when buying supplies or out in the field. We drove past each others camps on our way to places we were each hunting many days. I even talked to them a few times (god forbid!) about not only the spider bull, but some other nice bulls too. So, do you get it that I have a little different perspective than just about everyone else who is posting on here? Denny Austad arrived the evening of August 30th from what I was told, and he was still hunting hard when my season ended on September 12th. I never ran into any of the Mossback guides or Mr. Austad out riding quads fifteen minutes after shooting light in the morning, but I did have more encounters with DIY hunter's possees like that than I'd have preferred. More than a few of the draw tag hunters had multiple helpers, heck I even hadone buddy along with me. The times that I went past the Mossback camp, I never saw more than five or six trucks there, and that was at times when they were in camp, i.e. at night. These guys busted their butts and hunted hard, including Mr. Austad. I say that from being there and observing them, not from hundreds or thousands of miles away with nothing more than an opinion, like some others on here are doing. I wasn't there yesterday when they killed that bull, but from what I saw when I was there, the guys in the picture were probably the entire crew that was hunting him. And that doesn't make them all that different than some of the other hunters who had elk tags on Monroe, DIY or guided. You may be biased against my comments because I'm from California. That just indicates that you're a closed minded individual. The fact that you're commmenting on a situation of which you have no first hand experience proves that it doesn't matter where you're from to be clueless. You are proving that clueless people live in states other than California. I imagine that all fifty states (57 states if you're Mr. Obama) have clueless people with opinions. You don't even have a clue where they were camped, hunted, missed the bull last week or killed him yesterday, other than the unit name and state. I have firsthand knowlege of nearly every one of those aspects that I just mentioned, so how long do you care to debate this? |
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CA,
I realy don't give a rats azz about Mossback(other than they have some cool horn porn) or this bull.As for my coment it was directed at your feverish defense of their tactics.I can realy honestly say WHOOP TEE DODO as for you following these guys around trying to pick up a bone,to me you sound like a Don King. We all remember the guy that shot other huge bull for team Mossback,I watched the video what a sickning thing to witness.The story was another dissgusting issue that guy did the same thing and I wouldn't even classified him as a hunter. Yeah I have been to Utah and the day they wouldn't sell me a can of Copenhagen and a beer on Sunday Afternoon,I hauled my azz back home to Montana. Stealthycat, I comend you on your honesty and the guts to do what you did alot of guys would not. Hillbilly, Glad you made home safe and sound,another missed opprtunity,I will catch ya next year give me some dates when you are planning. Nathan, How is this diffrent yeah it was public land,realy how hard was it?Spotters,drivers,posters come on it was turkey shoot. Yes there was a 1% or slim chance some six-pack Joe might of had a chance. Well I'm off day dreaming of thet big bull I'm gonna get come shooting light on the 26th. Be Safe all BBJ |
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ORIGINAL: BareBack Jack Stealthycat, I comend you on your honesty and the guts to do what you did alot of guys would not. |
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ORIGINAL: CAelknuts Hillbillyhunter, perhaps you should pay a little more attention to what others write. I never did say "absolutely not" about the things they did or didn't do. I was there, and saw more than just about anyone else who is posting on here. They struck me as decent and ethical hunters from what I saw, and that is more than I can say about some of the DIY hunters who I encountered. I'm simply passing along observations of what I saw, and the opinions I developed as a result of my observations. Where you got the "absolutely not" comment is beyond me. As for blocking roads, I spoke with one of the people involved with some trees being cut down, and he told me in no uncertain terms it was done by the landowner because he didn't want everyone driving on roads that led through the middle of his property. I don't have a problem with that, but do have a problem with people who couldn't even find their way to the unit today saying it was someone else. That's nothing more than clueless speculation. Barebackjack, It's interesting that you think the fact that I'm from California explains my viewpoint. I don't know where you're from, or care. I guess you don't realize, or perhaps you don't care, that I might be the only person posting about this elk who was actually elk hunting in the same unit, in the same places as the Mossback guides and hunter, along with quite a few other draw tag hunters. In case you don't quite comprehend what I just said -- I WAS THERE. Were you? I saw these guys hunting, I know where they hunted and have a good idea of how they hunted. I ran into them a couple times, either in town when buying supplies or out in the field. We drove past each others camps on our way to places we were each hunting many days. I even talked to them a few times (god forbid!) about not only the spider bull, but some other nice bulls too. So, do you get it that I have a little different perspective than just about everyone else who is posting on here? Denny Austad arrived the evening of August 30th from what I was told, and he was still hunting hard when my season ended on September 12th. I never ran into any of the Mossback guides or Mr. Austad out riding quads fifteen minutes after shooting light in the morning, but I did have more encounters with DIY hunter's possees like that than I'd have preferred. More than a few of the draw tag hunters had multiple helpers, heck I even hadone buddy along with me. The times that I went past the Mossback camp, I never saw more than five or six trucks there, and that was at times when they were in camp, i.e. at night. These guys busted their butts and hunted hard, including Mr. Austad. I say that from being there and observing them, not from hundreds or thousands of miles away with nothing more than an opinion, like some others on here are doing. I wasn't there yesterday when they killed that bull, but from what I saw when I was there, the guys in the picture were probably the entire crew that was hunting him. And that doesn't make them all that different than some of the other hunters who had elk tags on Monroe, DIY or guided. You may be biased against my comments because I'm from California. That just indicates that you're a closed minded individual. The fact that you're commmenting on a situation of which you have no first hand experience proves that it doesn't matter where you're from to be clueless. You are proving that clueless people live in states other than California. I imagine that all fifty states (57 states if you're Mr. Obama) have clueless people with opinions. You don't even have a clue where they were camped, hunted, missed the bull last week or killed him yesterday, other than the unit name and state. I have firsthand knowlege of nearly every one of those aspects that I just mentioned, so how long do you care to debate this? BTW, i heard about the tatics those guys use, long before the spider bull was taken. Also, it should be against the law, to be able to huntlonger, just because your rich! We all own those animials, and having money should NOT alow you to be able to hunt longer than me, just because i can't pony up the $$$. DM |
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incredible to me that this stupid bull has caused this much fussing amongst elk hunters...
the tactics employed are NOTHIGN compared to some "hunters" here in Montana..remember the firing line (Gardner)? where you need not even have a gun to get an elk? just sneakers and a tag and first to the bull...or late season pot shots at herds of elk in Ennis (hunters on all four sides of a field shooting into a herd scared to death in the middle of the field...(geniuses shooting towards eachother :( ) or guys that hunt IN Yellowstone... there is nothign unique to having folk help you...Personally take people out every year from (no I am not a guide) Wisconsin or Washington, etc. who have dreamed of hunting elk, and I take them to my haunts as I know I can get them into elk, and guess what, we always do... I did the scouting, we use my horses, and my tents, etc. etc. do we kill the biggest bulls in the land, nope, but I GUARANTEE those guys are as excited about the bulls they shoot as this guy is about his world record...for the last two years I did not even bring a weapon, just helped them... Hunting is what you make it...and your personal joy is just that personal...Dont like what Denny/Doyle did, well that is your right, but it is also his right to do what he did...I do the same thing for free for others (usually co-workers), and yes we routinely see 380+ bulls every year and this year was no exception...and yes, all public land...in Montana... lots of people bloviate about lack of good bulls and or lack ofpublic land, but 10% of those that complain ever get out of their truck to look for them... |
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Well said, MTdream.
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lots of people bloviate about lack of good bulls and or lack ofpublic land, but 10% of those that complain ever get out of their truck to look for them... BBJ |
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CAelk....
congrats on getting that tag....not easy....did you have success while hunting there? you have not specifically said it...so i will ask...... you are saying that in your conversations with the mossback members that, IYO, they would not block roads and do any other tactic's others have posted to get thier client that bull? |
RE: Spider bull has been killed
I always find it interesting to see how others debate a point, or subject. So often, when someone doesn't like another viewpoint, they start attacking the person whom they're debating. Sorta like the way a few of you are now doing on this thread. I always enjoy discussing and/or debating with other people (just ask my wife. She thinks I should have been a lawyer.) but really only when the other party puts some thought into what they have to say. Whena discussion degenerates into the gutter with personal attacks that don't have a lot to do with the discussion, it gets boring and off topic, and isn't worth continuing.
Realize, I have no vested interest in speaking favorably of Mossback or their hunter/client. They're not friends of mine, nor do I try tofollow them around and try to ride their coattails. I simply stated what I observed, as opposed to some others who 'heard' something. So often, that hearsay is from someone with an ax to grind or some other jealousy to vent, so they speak unkindly of others. Your best friend's mother's hairdresser's butcher might not know what he's talking about, but some of you seem to want to believe it as gospel. Unless you've actually seen some of this stuff yourselves, with your own eyes, don't you think it makes more sense to withhold comment? I have tried to comment on what I've actually observed, rather than what I've heard via hearsay. No, I don't live in Richfield, Monroe, Koosheram or anywhere else near there. Ionly spent two weeks camping south of Manning Meadows Reservoir and hunting over much of the northern part of the unit. As for following them around, I did run into theirtrucks parked in areas several times, and when I did I always went somewhere else, usually at least several miles away. Contrary to what was said, neither was following the other around. Again, that's a baseless comment that was made without any basis in fact. If others would actually base their comments on direct expereince instead of hearsay, I'd give their comments much greater weight. At the same time, I'm not going to personally attack people with other viewpoints just because I don't agree with them or like what they say. I don't really have much interest in continuing this debate, so probably won't have a lot more to say. Have a great day and fall! |
RE: Spider bull has been killed
JNTURK, we were both typing at the same time, so I didn't see your post until after I'd hit the send button. To answer your first question, yes I had a lot of success. I did not kill a bull, but not shooting was my choice. I passed up several shot opportunities at nice 6x6 bulls within very reasonable range. When I showed my son a picture I took of one of the bulls, he asked if I was out of my freaking mind. Who knows, perhaps I was. Letting a 330s class bull walk away when he's broadside at 28 yards isn't something most hunters would do. I did, but don't have regrets about it. I also let a 360s class bull go without loosing an arrow from 22 yards, as he was trotting and I wasn't going to shoot at a quickly moving elk. I probably would have made a clean killing shot, but in my mind, "probably" isn't a good enough excuse to let an arrow fly.
To answer your second question; I don't know what they would or wouldn't do. I didn't talk to them about those things, and didn't see them block any roads. I did see a few of their trucks parked in areas where they were hunting, and anyone could have gone right in there too, if they were so inclined. They certainly weren't blocking any access where I saw them parked. Their trucks were off to the side of the road where anyone could drive past. I did come across a road that was blocked by felled trees. I asked a friend of mine (someone who does live there and is on the mountain a lot)about it, and he told me that he knows the landowner who cut the trees down, that the landowner told him he cut the trees down and why he did it. Honestly, where those trees were felled, anyone could have hunted in there if they wanted, simply by parking their truck and walking on the road. They could have also just driven around to the next road a mile or so away, and come in from the other side, at least until hitting the landowners property from the other side. In summary, I don't know or have an opinion on what they'd do since I didn't see them do any of the stuff that's been alleged. I will say that if anyone had tried to stop me from going somewhere I wanted to hunt, they'd have been disappointed in their efforts. I heard all the same stories that are being said on here before I left, so I was prepared for the worst. I assure you that if anyone had been heavy handed in their efforts to discourage me, they'd have quickly found out they were picking the wrong hombre to intimidate. I haven't heard anyone else who has alleged this stuff say they've had direct, first hand experience with them doing what's been alleged, either. I hope that answers your questions. |
RE: Spider bull has been killed
Just so I am clear....I never said that these guys did anything illegal. Nor did I impune their integrity or any one else's who had posted to this thread.
If it wouldn't make you a little "uneasy" to hunt with a small army of guides/spotters that are only there in order to track and spot and report back to you in order to get you on a specific bull....twice....then CA it sounds like you have a future in hunting with that MB group. Good hunting to ya! Hope you get what you want and enjoy the he!! of it!!!! Just realize that kind of hunt is not for every one. Forget the dollar values involved.For me it has nothing to do with the money.And it doesn't matter that it was on public land either. I just said that it kind of stuck in my craw is all. To each his own. I just bet that hunter is fair to bursting with pride over his trophy! I bet he has told his hunting story, of his persistance and diligence, not to mention his intestinal fortitude, over and over by now. I bet he could care less what I or any of you think about his kill. He has his opinion of his hunt. Just like CA does. Just as all of us do. If some 14 year old had taken that bull right out from under them? Priceless. |
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