RE: Herbicide or not
 

Brutal -

Ya sound real down on Herbicides, you shouldn't be. In fact, I can applaud your resolve as for organic farming. But, read up a little on Glyphosates. I agree that they are not always needed - but they definetly have thier place.

Mowing, plowing, cultivating, etc does not work like Glyphosate will in reducing weed competition. I get your point that some weeds are good, but when you start a clover plot - its important (and cost effective) to start with as much pure clover as possible. The weeds will come in time, and add to the diversity of the plot.

Also, Round up applications prior to planting save on Time, gas, machinery, and reduces loss of topsoil due to erosion.

There will always be a place for roundup in my management plan.

RE: Herbicide or not
 

When we no-till, we spray glyso phate first , wait a few days for the vegetation to die then plant, after wheat we notill beans in the wheat stubble and then spray with Roundup, In fact I spray my front lawn with Roundup in June waited a few days then overseeded my lawn, looks good, there will always be a place for roundup in my future. There are a couple weeds that are becoming resistant to roundup, one of them is Marestail.You could probably drink roundup , wouldnt try it though, not Paraquat it will kill you now they call it Grammoxone