Herbicide or not
 

I have 102 acres which have about 20 acres of food plots the routine is to use herbicides roto and then plant. Is this ok?

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If the herbicides are glyphosate - then sure.

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I found this in a document by the Ohio Department of Natural Resources regarding wildlife food plots:

Food plots consisting of mixtures of grains can be broadcast and then very lightly disked and/or cultipacked to cover the seed. Pure corn food plots do best if drilled in rows. Pure sorghum food plots can be broadcast or drilled; however, the broadcast method requires a higher seeding rate and a light disking to cover the seed. Don’t use herbicides or excessivecultivation on food plots. Annual weeds such as foxtail, common ragweed, lamb’s-quarters, and barnyard grass will produce additional seed and cover in the wildlife food plot.


I can add that herbicides can drastically change the vegetation structure of the application area. It may also be residual in the soil and may hamper whatever you plant. My advice would be to not use it. For one thing, when herbicides change vegetation structure and height, it may be detrimental to alot of wildlife that rely on insects for food. Since changing vegetation means insects can be reduced or not as available. This is especially hard on young ground-living birds like turkeys because young turkeys,grouse, quail etc rely on insects for food. So by changing the vegetation you risk forcing young birds to forage longer and farther which exposes them to increased predation.

Hope this helps.

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If what they say about Glyphosates is true, there will be no residue. I also beleive that an acre or so in a food plot won't affect the food sources for turkeys, quail, etc. It may be a problem where a person is doing 100's of acres, but most of us don't live in Texas. My 4-quarter acre plots is a drop in the bucket on my little 100+ acre farm. And that is about the size for most of us on this board. Different locales call for different applications.

Russ

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We are talking Glyphosate. The land is pretty much just managed for game with a small homestead area. I hunt alot of organic farms and just like the idea when it comes to eating venison. I will probably go "organic" next year.

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I could use the same arguement regarding your food plots. 1 total acre of food plots doesn't really benefit any wildlife but that is another issue. Herbicides can move around in the ecosystem (no im not an expert on the different types) and I can't really think of any time when they would be necessary in relation to food plots.

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BA, there are many times where herbicides can be benefical to food plots. If you spray before seeding, it kills out existing vegetation making it easier to establish a quality plot. If you spray after germination you can extend the lifespan of a plot by reducing the competition.

According to articles I've read some perennial plots have lasted 5-6 years when grasses were controlled by applying herbicides and adjacent non-treated fields lasted 2-3 years.

That's two good reasons to use herbicides. Not, as you say, "necessary" but they certainly make common sense.

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The same thing could be accomplished by mowing or otherwise mechanically removing the vegetation then tilling.

More like two reasons, but not good reasons. I'm not a fan of herbicides as you can see.

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Herbicides are not necessary but are benificial in many cases. Remember they are just a tool to help improve your crop. And I should add they are nothing to be afraid of if used according to directions. It has been our experience that without them we have never raised a thing. We probably could if we wanted to invest in a cultivator plus a lot of other expensive equipment. But that is hard to do for just a few acres of food plots.

In other words, if you have a problem that herbicides or pesticides will help correct, use them responsibly. There is no danger from them when used correctly but can be a big reward in the outcome of your project.

Ezzy

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Yes there is...I pointed out one example in one of my previous posts.

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Brutal -

Ya sound real down on Herbicides, you shouldn't be. In fact, I can applaud your resolve as for organic farming. But, read up a little on Glyphosates. I agree that they are not always needed - but they definetly have thier place.

Mowing, plowing, cultivating, etc does not work like Glyphosate will in reducing weed competition. I get your point that some weeds are good, but when you start a clover plot - its important (and cost effective) to start with as much pure clover as possible. The weeds will come in time, and add to the diversity of the plot.

Also, Round up applications prior to planting save on Time, gas, machinery, and reduces loss of topsoil due to erosion.

There will always be a place for roundup in my management plan.

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When we no-till, we spray glyso phate first , wait a few days for the vegetation to die then plant, after wheat we notill beans in the wheat stubble and then spray with Roundup, In fact I spray my front lawn with Roundup in June waited a few days then overseeded my lawn, looks good, there will always be a place for roundup in my future. There are a couple weeds that are becoming resistant to roundup, one of them is Marestail.You could probably drink roundup , wouldnt try it though, not Paraquat it will kill you now they call it Grammoxone