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121553 Bobby, There is absolutely nothing wrong w/bow hunting.. & if the herd is getting out of hand at Yellowstone & they need thinned, then some permits are issued & the herd gets thinned. Hunting is not about just killing, it's about conservation & maintaining a healthy population of animals. If it weren't for us (the hunter/conservationist) there would be far more specie's on the endangered list than there are now!

These "treehuggers" do little to nothing to actually help, they just want something to protest so they feel better about themselves, the same is true about 90% of these othergroups. They just bitc* about the problem & do nothing to actually help!

That's why H.E.T.A. or a group like it is needed.. Sure, there are lots of other groups out there that do their part to help our sport but, this would be different! We will get EVERYONE together to show the non-hunting community that what we are doing is the right thing & that we don't support animal cruelty of any kind!

Primitive weapons, a recurve/long bow is about as primitive as it gets, every deer I have harvested has been w/a recurve. So, YES, use whatever "primitive weapon" you like.

Inhumane treatment, Inhumane treatment is chaining a dog up in your back yard & not feeding him/her, Inhumane treatment, is beating an animal to death w/a club, Inhumane treatment is slowly killing anything!
Later, Phil B.

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If some of you still think that our sport is in no danger of being banned, go to these links & read some of the B-S posted on them about us & our sport! It's time we do something!

Below is a Quote from the HSUS web site.

Is hunting for food a good way to save money on grocery bills?

Almost never. When all costs are considered (i.e., license fees, equipment, food, lodging and transportation), hunting is not an economical way to provide food. Statistics gathered by the University of Maryland's Extension Service revealed that hunters spent more than $51 million to kill 46,317 deer in Maryland in 1990, approximately $1,100 for each deer killed. Assuming that the meat of each deer killed was preserved and eaten, and that each deer provided 45 lbs. of meat, the cost of venison in 1990 in Maryland was $24.44 per pound. For most hunted animals, such as ducks, doves, rabbits, squirrels, and crows, among others, use for food is now minimal, and the expense of equipment far outweighs the value of any food that is obtained. For the vast majority of hunters, hunting is recreation, not a means of gathering food. END QUOTE.

I don't know about most of you but, I don't think I have spent $1,100 on hunting in the last 5-10 years combined.. let alone in a year! & 45 lbs of meat from ONE deer?! The last two deer I shot provided me w/75-100+ lbs of meat. OKAY, let's do some math.. My deer tags were $26.00, & I can take either a buck & doe or two doe's w/it. My hunting license was $13.00, Gas $25.00 Full tank. I hunt about 4-5 miles from home. I usualy get a deer on my first or second hunt. All other hunting gear I've had for several years, & I also butcher my own deer. Well, lets total everything up.. $64.00! Now, I want you to go to your local meat market & buy 100+ lbs of meat w/$64.. It also looks like I have $1036 left to spend fighting the anti's!

My point.. the Non-hunting community is being fed FALSE FACTS!
Later, Phil B.

http://www.peta.org/factsheet/files/...play.asp?ID=53

http://www.hsus.org/wildlife/issues_...t_hunting.html

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"Is baiting ethical?"
"Does size of fenced in area matter"
"Should mechanicals be allowed"

These are just a few of the "Ethical" issues constantly being fought on EVERY HUNTING board I visit. And there never is an answer. Whatever this new group defines as "Ethical" treatment of animals can only fit the definations of some hunters. Seems like you will end up with a group that can only represent the ideals of some hunters - possibly creating further division in our ranks.

Be very very careful.

Steve

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I think this is a great idea but needs to be thought through very carefully before puting anything on paper or in stone. This would take a great deal of planning. Most importantly before any design takes place you need policies written out. I am a project manager and deal with large scale projects on a daily basis from planning, to implementing and controlling. I would be more than happy to write up the policies for this organization. However this will be very difficult seeing as how we are all in different locations and this type of undertaking would require numerous meetings and brainstorming.

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SteveBNy,
"Is baiting ethical?" I see nothing wrong with it. It's not leagle in Il, & even if it were I wouldn't use that method!

"Does size of fenced in area matter" Yes, It should be at a set minimum satnderd. Size..? 1 square mile?!

"Should mechanicals be allowed" Broadheads? What's wrong w/them?! I use them.

This site would be geared more to the neutral (non-hunting) community to inform & teach them. You see, the problem is w/the anti-hunting groups feeding everyone B-S & lies about hunting & hunters, they want everyone to think we kill just for "sport" & that's not true! They also want everyone to think we shoot everything that walks by, cat's, dog's ect. I'm tired of hearing it! They just don't like hunting & want it banned! No if &'s or buts!

Hunting IS ethical, starving "your pet" is not! That's what the site is about. YES, I HUNT.. BUT, I DO NOT ABUSE OR MISTREAT ANIMALS!
Later, Phil B.

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Bearklr,
That's the whole idea, we are trying to get things organized before we do ANYTHING! This is still all new to me, & I (WE) need all the help & support we can get.. I'm not going to let ANYONE take away my right to do what I enjoy! Ever one needs to spread the word & get this going! Any help or advice would be great!
Thanks, Phil B.

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Phil,
The first thing you would need to do is develop a mission statement for the organization. This is a few lines that would give a rough overview of what the foundation stood for and what their goals are. You can do searches on the internet for more details. Next you would need a brainstorming session to lay down some guidelines in more detail. Basically lay the foundations for the organizations rules and beliefs. After this, you just keep breaking it down further and further until you get to individual topics which would then be open to discussion to come to a general consensus on what the org's beliefs are. It's alot ewasier to start big and broad and branch out from there. If you got some help from various people throughout the country they could start smaller groups and pull all of this together and submit their findings and reports to a main "chapter" where they would all be pulled together (this would only be usefull in determining the orgs main beliefs and guidelines). Also on another note these individual groups would need alot of guidance such as specific questions to answer so they are all on the same track. You must keep these initial beliefs broad such as "We as Hunters believe that all game animals should be etc......." You don't want to get into specifics with these types of guidelines at this point. Once these have all been determined and written out and approved then you could go into detail about specific topics. Shoot me an e-mail if you need anything.

Eric

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Hi all. I just want to say when i originalyproposed forming a group named HETA, my intention was not to start another pro hunting site. There are enough of those and quite honestly, another one will get us nowhere. the group that I proposed would actualy be one whose main concern was animal rights. This theoretical organization would be called HETA, however, it would really have nothing to do with hunting other than the fact that it would give hunters a safe venue to do their part in stopping the cruel and needless suffering of animals. Period. Just by doing this, you will be sending a huge message to the non-hunting public that hey, we are not all just a bunch of gun toting, arrow flinging yahoos. We see whats going on and we want to help. It bothers us too. This new organization would offer the non hunting public a better alternative as well to utilize. A less extreme approach. Anotherwords, yes, we eat meat. Yes we eat wear leather. Yes we believe that it is necessary to do medical experimentation using animals to try and cure diseases. But we absolutely don't condone animal abuse such as beating animals with clubs, skinning them alive, torturing them, and so forth. We realize that there are homeless pets that need help. We want to help. I propose an animal rights organization that is more realistic to todays society than the over the top extreme groups that are present today. This whole thing has alot less to do with hunting than is being emphasized. I ask all of you not to do anything right now other than to discuss the theory. This would be an absolutely HUGE undertaking. It needs to be handled with EXTREME thought and strategy. I realize that it is a very exciting concept, but I beg you all not to act on it. To act prematurely could be disasterous. Just so you all know, i have contacted Buckmasters, and discussed this with them. The 'Higher ups" are currently discussing it. Buckmasters is an organization with the resources that can pull something of this magnitude off. Please be patient, but keep on talking about it. And remember, whatever you post right here may be being read by the man himself...Jackie Bushman! They have been watching these threads from the start, as soon as i realized that we were onto something big.

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Lets get to thinking of a Mission Statement.
1) Who we are.
2) What we do.
3) What we stand for.
4) Why we do it.
Any one have an idea of what it should say?
I was thinking..
1)? H.E.T.A Hunters for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, is the first & fastest growing hunter organized animal rights group in the US.
We are dedicated to help protect all domesticated animals, we, as hunters, believe that animal cruelty & abuse is wrong & should be stopped.
2)?
3)?
4)?
Any ideas??
Thanks, Phil B.

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Sniper, thats what I have been asking you about the HETA's stand on my views because some consider bowhunting inhumane. At first it was unclear or misleading from the beginning wanting to recuite or sway peta members but now I seem to have a better ideal of what your tring to do. The things you have said so far about HETA and what it represents seems like a common goal among us sportsmen. It will be intresting to see the draft/bylaws of the club on what it represents and hope that it unites us and not cause descension among the troops here. You are right about one thing, You got your work cut out for you. Only with the exposure and support of pro-hunting organizations such as you are talking about is HETA going to survive, as well as exposure on Huntingnet. Good luck on your endeavor.
Moosehornhunter, if one of the goals is to recruit new potential hunters to join HETA, telling people to go fu%k themselves is the wrong approach and it turned me off [X(] with that kinda immature statement. Also I have questions of your ability to handle the roll in a diplomatic manner having you made that statement, especially when you guys face the real battles ahead and you ain't seen nothing yet. Just my opinion and not tring to get anyone peod. Good luck, Bobby