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Well, Moosehornhunter came up w/a good idea.. I think it's just what the hunting community has needed! It would open the eyes of millions of people & show them what hunting & hunter's are all about. P.E.T.A. just wants everyone to think all hunters are "EVIL KILLERS" & that the world can get by eating just grass.
The site would be geared towards the Non-Hunting (NEUTRAL) population, they would learn the truth about hunting, fishing, guns & what "PETA" is really all about. It's time for them to EXIT stage left! I threw this together a few minutes ago, It's a start! Let's do something! Any suggestions? Later, Phil B.  |
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That is pretty cool, I would maybe include articles or hunting tips. and make it suitible for all hunters not just deer. but it looks amazing!
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Phil....shoot me an email addy so I can contact you directly if you would. With your web design skills we may be able to do something. What we are proposing is an absolutely humongous undertaking that will take much planning and strategy. That being said, I do believe we are onto something. We just can't jump the gun. Organization is key, and the message needs to be clear and concise.
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That would be great. I think its a good idea.
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Keep in mind, you will need big bucks to pay Washington Lobbyists. That is where the real battles will take place.
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sounds like an idea whose time has come.
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ORIGINAL: Double Creek ...you will need big bucks to pay Washington Lobbyists. |
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I think it sounds like a great idea. The only way you are going to get the money to pay lobbyist is to start somewhere and and get donations. I love the format and layout of the webpage that sniper did.
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Great idea guys!! " You have my vote"
Don`t stop with the just the talk? "Walk the Walk" and follow through..rta47 |
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Sounds great I would be wiiling to spread the news as best I can all over central Texas
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sniper u might want to get a job in organizing companys websites that awesome. ill help u guys
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SIGN ME UP!
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sniperp1 if you construct a web site and organization like that myself and others will definatly support it. if there was a membership too i would join. if you do construct this site please post it on this forum to let us know. and if you need support you know where to look. good luck
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hey, thats pretty cool. you know, i think we need something like this. an organization that shows people that hunters aren't killing machines.
the other day i was talking to a friend that i had no idea was an anti-hunter. and when the subject of hunting came up and how i hunt she started saying how bad it is. so, in defense, i told her everything i knew about hunters and how they control population, protect native species and conserve nature. i must have explained the facts at least 5 times and every time when i finished, she'd say," Yeah, but killing animals is mean". but i think she was finally overwhelmed with the facts and decided to not be so negative about it. thats why i think we need something like this, to educate people about hunting and also to show them that we are all for the prevension of animal cruelty, just not stopping hunting. good luck guys |
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I was thinking about making a website too, but I didn't have the time.
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I think sniper did a great job on the web design but am still a little confused on the mission of this. Do you mean to actually speak out on certain types of "cruelty" and if so, where do you draw the line? or is this going to be an org that's main purpose is to refute peta's rhetoric? I think definition of goals would be the key to something like this
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That is great! I agree with hillbilly. You got my support on a great idea, but it would need to come out against unethical treatment of animals. If its just a pro hunting site, there are plenty of those.
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Need to show a straving deer in over grazed Metro park as a reason to hunt .
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hillbillyhunter1 & jones123,
It's not going to be just another "hunting" site, It will be about hunters educating the general public on how hunters feel about animal cruelty & teach them that hunting is not "cruel" & "inhumane" & that we, as hunter, view animal cruelty the same as everyone else. Where do we draw the line, somewhere down the middle.. people need to know what hunters are all about & that it's NOT our mission to "kill" any & every thing that's not human. Peta & other groups have most of the general public thinking what we enjoy doing is WRONG & BAD & is no longer needed in this day & age. That is not true.. if we stop hunting, most of the animals that are here now will not be here tomorrow! I'll have more information for everyone later. Phil B. |
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Sniper, what would your response be to one of these treehuggers that asked your organization stand on bowhunting? How about bison hunting the herds coming off Yellowstone and can I use primative weapon? Maybe I am being a devils advocate but it is beyond me how some of these others want to join and have not a clue what you consider inhuman and what I consider it to be.
There is already organizations out there that I belong to that promote my sport. Montana Bowhunters Association and RMEF as well as the NRA believe in humane killing also and have a higher membership and only in numbers that represent my views will I support and I know that these organization have a lobby that makes my voice be heard. I would belong to others but there is just so much money to go around. Good day, Bobby |
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121553 Bobby, There is absolutely nothing wrong w/bow hunting.. & if the herd is getting out of hand at Yellowstone & they need thinned, then some permits are issued & the herd gets thinned. Hunting is not about just killing, it's about conservation & maintaining a healthy population of animals. If it weren't for us (the hunter/conservationist) there would be far more specie's on the endangered list than there are now!
These "treehuggers" do little to nothing to actually help, they just want something to protest so they feel better about themselves, the same is true about 90% of these othergroups. They just bitc* about the problem & do nothing to actually help! That's why H.E.T.A. or a group like it is needed.. Sure, there are lots of other groups out there that do their part to help our sport but, this would be different! We will get EVERYONE together to show the non-hunting community that what we are doing is the right thing & that we don't support animal cruelty of any kind! Primitive weapons, a recurve/long bow is about as primitive as it gets, every deer I have harvested has been w/a recurve. So, YES, use whatever "primitive weapon" you like. Inhumane treatment, Inhumane treatment is chaining a dog up in your back yard & not feeding him/her, Inhumane treatment, is beating an animal to death w/a club, Inhumane treatment is slowly killing anything! Later, Phil B. |
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If some of you still think that our sport is in no danger of being banned, go to these links & read some of the B-S posted on them about us & our sport! It's time we do something!
Below is a Quote from the HSUS web site. Is hunting for food a good way to save money on grocery bills? Almost never. When all costs are considered (i.e., license fees, equipment, food, lodging and transportation), hunting is not an economical way to provide food. Statistics gathered by the University of Maryland's Extension Service revealed that hunters spent more than $51 million to kill 46,317 deer in Maryland in 1990, approximately $1,100 for each deer killed. Assuming that the meat of each deer killed was preserved and eaten, and that each deer provided 45 lbs. of meat, the cost of venison in 1990 in Maryland was $24.44 per pound. For most hunted animals, such as ducks, doves, rabbits, squirrels, and crows, among others, use for food is now minimal, and the expense of equipment far outweighs the value of any food that is obtained. For the vast majority of hunters, hunting is recreation, not a means of gathering food. END QUOTE. I don't know about most of you but, I don't think I have spent $1,100 on hunting in the last 5-10 years combined.. let alone in a year! & 45 lbs of meat from ONE deer?! The last two deer I shot provided me w/75-100+ lbs of meat. OKAY, let's do some math.. My deer tags were $26.00, & I can take either a buck & doe or two doe's w/it. My hunting license was $13.00, Gas $25.00 Full tank. I hunt about 4-5 miles from home. I usualy get a deer on my first or second hunt. All other hunting gear I've had for several years, & I also butcher my own deer. Well, lets total everything up.. $64.00! Now, I want you to go to your local meat market & buy 100+ lbs of meat w/$64.. It also looks like I have $1036 left to spend fighting the anti's! My point.. the Non-hunting community is being fed FALSE FACTS! Later, Phil B. http://www.peta.org/factsheet/files/...play.asp?ID=53 http://www.hsus.org/wildlife/issues_...t_hunting.html |
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"Is baiting ethical?"
"Does size of fenced in area matter" "Should mechanicals be allowed" These are just a few of the "Ethical" issues constantly being fought on EVERY HUNTING board I visit. And there never is an answer. Whatever this new group defines as "Ethical" treatment of animals can only fit the definations of some hunters. Seems like you will end up with a group that can only represent the ideals of some hunters - possibly creating further division in our ranks. Be very very careful. Steve |
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I think this is a great idea but needs to be thought through very carefully before puting anything on paper or in stone. This would take a great deal of planning. Most importantly before any design takes place you need policies written out. I am a project manager and deal with large scale projects on a daily basis from planning, to implementing and controlling. I would be more than happy to write up the policies for this organization. However this will be very difficult seeing as how we are all in different locations and this type of undertaking would require numerous meetings and brainstorming.
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SteveBNy,
"Is baiting ethical?" I see nothing wrong with it. It's not leagle in Il, & even if it were I wouldn't use that method! "Does size of fenced in area matter" Yes, It should be at a set minimum satnderd. Size..? 1 square mile?! "Should mechanicals be allowed" Broadheads? What's wrong w/them?! I use them. This site would be geared more to the neutral (non-hunting) community to inform & teach them. You see, the problem is w/the anti-hunting groups feeding everyone B-S & lies about hunting & hunters, they want everyone to think we kill just for "sport" & that's not true! They also want everyone to think we shoot everything that walks by, cat's, dog's ect. I'm tired of hearing it! They just don't like hunting & want it banned! No if &'s or buts! Hunting IS ethical, starving "your pet" is not! That's what the site is about. YES, I HUNT.. BUT, I DO NOT ABUSE OR MISTREAT ANIMALS! Later, Phil B. |
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Bearklr,
That's the whole idea, we are trying to get things organized before we do ANYTHING! This is still all new to me, & I (WE) need all the help & support we can get.. I'm not going to let ANYONE take away my right to do what I enjoy! Ever one needs to spread the word & get this going! Any help or advice would be great! Thanks, Phil B. |
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Phil,
The first thing you would need to do is develop a mission statement for the organization. This is a few lines that would give a rough overview of what the foundation stood for and what their goals are. You can do searches on the internet for more details. Next you would need a brainstorming session to lay down some guidelines in more detail. Basically lay the foundations for the organizations rules and beliefs. After this, you just keep breaking it down further and further until you get to individual topics which would then be open to discussion to come to a general consensus on what the org's beliefs are. It's alot ewasier to start big and broad and branch out from there. If you got some help from various people throughout the country they could start smaller groups and pull all of this together and submit their findings and reports to a main "chapter" where they would all be pulled together (this would only be usefull in determining the orgs main beliefs and guidelines). Also on another note these individual groups would need alot of guidance such as specific questions to answer so they are all on the same track. You must keep these initial beliefs broad such as "We as Hunters believe that all game animals should be etc......." You don't want to get into specifics with these types of guidelines at this point. Once these have all been determined and written out and approved then you could go into detail about specific topics. Shoot me an e-mail if you need anything. Eric |
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Hi all. I just want to say when i originalyproposed forming a group named HETA, my intention was not to start another pro hunting site. There are enough of those and quite honestly, another one will get us nowhere. the group that I proposed would actualy be one whose main concern was animal rights. This theoretical organization would be called HETA, however, it would really have nothing to do with hunting other than the fact that it would give hunters a safe venue to do their part in stopping the cruel and needless suffering of animals. Period. Just by doing this, you will be sending a huge message to the non-hunting public that hey, we are not all just a bunch of gun toting, arrow flinging yahoos. We see whats going on and we want to help. It bothers us too. This new organization would offer the non hunting public a better alternative as well to utilize. A less extreme approach. Anotherwords, yes, we eat meat. Yes we eat wear leather. Yes we believe that it is necessary to do medical experimentation using animals to try and cure diseases. But we absolutely don't condone animal abuse such as beating animals with clubs, skinning them alive, torturing them, and so forth. We realize that there are homeless pets that need help. We want to help. I propose an animal rights organization that is more realistic to todays society than the over the top extreme groups that are present today. This whole thing has alot less to do with hunting than is being emphasized. I ask all of you not to do anything right now other than to discuss the theory. This would be an absolutely HUGE undertaking. It needs to be handled with EXTREME thought and strategy. I realize that it is a very exciting concept, but I beg you all not to act on it. To act prematurely could be disasterous. Just so you all know, i have contacted Buckmasters, and discussed this with them. The 'Higher ups" are currently discussing it. Buckmasters is an organization with the resources that can pull something of this magnitude off. Please be patient, but keep on talking about it. And remember, whatever you post right here may be being read by the man himself...Jackie Bushman! They have been watching these threads from the start, as soon as i realized that we were onto something big.
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Lets get to thinking of a Mission Statement.
1) Who we are. 2) What we do. 3) What we stand for. 4) Why we do it. Any one have an idea of what it should say? I was thinking.. 1)? H.E.T.A Hunters for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, is the first & fastest growing hunter organized animal rights group in the US. We are dedicated to help protect all domesticated animals, we, as hunters, believe that animal cruelty & abuse is wrong & should be stopped. 2)? 3)? 4)? Any ideas?? Thanks, Phil B. |
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Sniper, thats what I have been asking you about the HETA's stand on my views because some consider bowhunting inhumane. At first it was unclear or misleading from the beginning wanting to recuite or sway peta members but now I seem to have a better ideal of what your tring to do. The things you have said so far about HETA and what it represents seems like a common goal among us sportsmen. It will be intresting to see the draft/bylaws of the club on what it represents and hope that it unites us and not cause descension among the troops here. You are right about one thing, You got your work cut out for you. Only with the exposure and support of pro-hunting organizations such as you are talking about is HETA going to survive, as well as exposure on Huntingnet. Good luck on your endeavor.
Moosehornhunter, if one of the goals is to recruit new potential hunters to join HETA, telling people to go fu%k themselves is the wrong approach and it turned me off [X(] with that kinda immature statement. Also I have questions of your ability to handle the roll in a diplomatic manner having you made that statement, especially when you guys face the real battles ahead and you ain't seen nothing yet. Just my opinion and not tring to get anyone peod. Good luck, Bobby |
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are you also against what happens at kfc,mcdonalds slaughter houses ? or do they dothat for all animals
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ORIGINAL: SniperP1 Lets get to thinking of a Mission Statement. 1) Who we are. 2) What we do. 3) What we stand for. 4) Why we do it. Any one have an idea of what it should say? I was thinking.. 1)? H.E.T.A Hunters for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, is the first & fastest growing hunter organized animal rights group in the US. We are dedicated to help protect all domesticated animals, we, as hunters, believe that animal cruelty & abuse is wrong & should be stopped. 2)? 3)? 4)? Any ideas?? Thanks, Phil B. However, you are going to have to walk a very thin line with something like this (ex. What about native alaskan inuyet hunters that club seals as a means of gathering a food source?) I'm not saying it can't be done and I think it's great that you have kind of ran with the ball here, but you might want to step back and really research as to what you (as an individual or part of group) can do do be most effective at preserving your right to hunt--perhaps (just spitballing here) it would be to initiate many letter writing campaigns to legislators, or becoming involved with a well established pro-hunting group--I don't know--that's for you to decide I think that most people realize that hunters aren't for torturing animals. I also believe (my opinion) that your take off on the org name of PETA to form HETA might seem like a direct stab at them (I'd like nothing better), but in the long run it may actually seem like we give legitimacy to their org or might actually cause confusion between the two As for the mission statement--it is not an advertisement, so you don't have to say things like "fastest growing"---It should really start something like---"we believe that______________therefore we strive to____________________" and shouldn't be negative like "we believe cruelty is wrong" it should all be positive sorry so long, I hoped I helped:) hb |
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I have been and am a proud member of PETA.
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Sniper,
i read over both of the sites (i strongly suggest all of you do also) you posted and i have never been so disqusted. i went to the sites not expecting much, but man, was i wrong. i have never read anything so biased. i mean, how can they say that and actually think they're right? this is why we need something like this, just to show non and anti-hunters what we are about, what we represent, and how we agree that animals are being mistreated. however, i also agree with SteveBNy and hillybillyhunter. you need to be very careful with what you are doing. also, i am a bit worried about the PETA, HETA thing. the two are very close and the general public, if not aware what HETA means, will be mislead and think of it as another extremits group/organization. so all in all, remember to be careful. good luck! P.S- i never would have thought of contacting Buckmasters. great job mooshorn. |
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I think you should search around other websites for sponsors to sponsor your page, and have a link or something so that people can see who it's sponsored by to make it more professional. In cluded in th website, there should be articles about how hunting is needed to save plants from deer eatting them all and destroying all the vegetation.
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Lets get it started, I would be happy to help in any way, I also can host pictures/ make a website, as i have my own website up and going with a .tk url. www.illinoiswhitetails.tk , if i could be of any help, let me know , i also can make a banner for the webpage, and get forums and everything of the sort for free.
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hillbillyhunter1, I'll be 32 in June, I've been hunting sense I was around 7-8 years old.. I've been around a day or two! lol We are still getting things organized & trying to come up with a different/better name than HETA. I think it might cause some problems down the road with "other" groups!
Some people are worried about what we are trying to accomplish & how we are going to go about doing it w/o offending one side or the other. Well, we are doing our research & are walking very lightly at the moment! We need all the help & support that we can get! Something has to be done to help protect our sport! -DeerSlayer-, "If i could be of any help, let me know." I'll send you an e-mail & let you know, I'm still trying to get the word out! Thanks, Phil B. |
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Could something Like HETA work? I think what it will really boil down to is what everyones definition of cruelty is. Animal cruelty is what we and they are against but our definitions of cruelty are different! I as a hunter and meat eater don't think hunting or slaughter houses are cruel. Taking game or raising animals for food is just a part of life! Living things must die so others can live! Thats natures way. Protecting your home and property against animals isn't cruel either in my mind. Killing mice, rats, groundhogs, squirrels, raccoons, bees, flies, termites, mosquitos, bears or what ever is invading your property isn't being cruel. It's making your quality of life better and safer! Any of these things in my mind are not animal cruelty! In the minds of the anti's these things are murder!
I think both groups would agree that an animal owner who beats or starves or doesn't take proper care of thier animal(s) is cruel. Poachers and people who kill things just for the sake of killing are cruel and should be punished! We have a lot of common goals we can go after to stop cruelty to animals. We will also have a lot of ground that we don't agree on such as hunting and food production!(meat). There will be grey areas as well like drug testing on animals. Entertainment with animals (circuses, zoos, dog and horse racing ect ect..)Some think these things are cruel and others don't. The one good thing that can come out of a group like HETA is people would see hunters looking to help animals that have nothing to do with hunting. They wouldn't be able to say we are protecting them so we can hunt them next year like the anti's say about game animals! It would show that just because we kill animals for our dinner tables it doesn't mean we go home and kick our dog every night! We are not being cruel we are just being a part of natures life cycle by eating the animals Mother nature has put here for us! Done right HETA could be a very positive thing for hunters in the eyes of the non-hunter non-anti! Just my .02 |
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You may be able to get some help from game calls and other companys like that too, like primos. They are from here and seem like really nice guys, you may be able to e mail em and they might be able to get you off to a good start.
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Is anybody here aware of what Wildlife Forever does. They are part of the N.A.H.C. and their mission statement is as follows
The mission of Wildlife Forever is to conserve America's wildlife heritage through conservation education, preservation of habitat and management of fish and wildlife. I urge you to visit their website at www.wildlifeforever.org. |
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