who makes better optics Ziess or swarovski ?

I like Zeiss.

Both are great optics, but I think Swarovski manufactures the best optics made.

i hear that both of them are good but they are to darn expensive for me

i heard that swarovski is heavier ... is it true ?

Schmidt and Bender,Zeiss and Swarovski are so close it would indeed take someone with lots of experience at the wheel using all three to even tell a scintilla of difference. Schmidt makes a great scope but the lenses come from elsewhere. Zeiss and Swarovski make their own lenses. Schmidt is a heavier scope then the other two. I spoke to the optic guy at Marks outdoors in Birmingham Alabama a few years back and asked him this same question. His answer was that he had been a Schmidt user for years and tried out a Zeiss VM and was amazed at the scope..brilliant compact and lightweight. If I had to buy one myself It would be the VM no questions asked. All in All the three brands are best of the best

For the money. Zeiss
For the quality. Swarovski

WHere did you come up with that? Probably out of the three mentioned scope Schmidt is the best built and rugged.

i use a ziess and love it but if i had the extra money i would have gotten a Swarovski

After much consideration I bought a new Zeiss Diavari VM V 3x12x56 this week. Most everybody had the same answer, not enough difference to tell a difference. I thought I had a Swarovski bought on e-bay for $1,000 but some jackleg bid $1,181. Later on they e-mailed me and said the guy couldn't fulfill his bid, but I had already bought the Zeiss.