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Would i do it, no. Do I care others do it, no. Is it hunting....NO. I think hunting is the experience, nature, elements, wild animals...the harvest is a small portion and the trophy is a reward for the efforts of days of scouting, hunting, scheming, etc. Are their guys willing to pay for a trophy...well of course. Not everyone sees it as enjoyment, not everyone has or is able to become knowledgable and ultimately successful. Not everyone enjoys an area in which a "Trophy" may be potential. To some the trophy room, is just that a display, an ego rush..brag centre. I guess I am no different in this way but I get more enjoyment out of looking and recalling the successful day that put that head on my wall and equally to tell the whole story.

I also am not the type to hammer the first deer with horns, but know many who do...does this not make them hunters...NO. Trophies can be heads, memories...pretty much whatever we want to make them. So I will never condemn the decisions of a real "hunter". These penned hunters are just shooters and imo done nothing to be called "Hunters".

I would have laughed at this so called outfitter too, trying to sell me on his opperation, b/c hunting is never a gaurantee and if it is well where is the fun. I think that is what makes us "HUNTERS" so insensed.

But like said "whatever floats your boat". Leaves more real trophies for all of us guys....RIGHT!!!

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I think you’re ignorant for calling my mother a “bitch” considering that you have no idea who I am. But hey I’m the arrogant all knowing one. Look if you want to try and disparage me by being stereotypical based on my “announced ignorant thoughts” then that’s fine. Trying to establish ground on me by saying I’m a young arrogant “sob” without reason other than me stating my thoughts and opinions is unethical. One thing I can say is never presume. That is one of the biggest monstrosities the human brain acquires.

You’re the kind of person who thinks all black people are criminals/or in a gang.

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Grouperhead* no problem at all and I appriciate the appology but none was needed. I don't take this stuff to heart.

Florida vs. Texas, I'll take Texas everytime unless were talking about South Beach hunting!!! Man they got some beauties walking around there.

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Daily,

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yeah that is where everyone should go if their unfamiliar with a meaning of a word.

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I don’t consider myself a kid but I am young. I’m 20 years old but have been hunting since I was 10. Regardless I have no idea how old anyone is and honestly I've seen young kids take huge whitetail. I was raised to have good vocabulary because my father is an English professor. On that note what is so abnormal about how I write anyways He always went on hunting trips and naturally I went with. I mean no harm to anyone but when I notice something I don’t agree with I do not ignore it (Ignorance being the main one), when someone said 150 class bucks are nothing these days that annoyed me. Somehow you redbow got in the middle i really don’t know what i said to offend you but whatever lets let this slide. Regardless of how different we are there is one thing we all like to do and that’s hunting.

you start hunting and you suck, you keep doing it till you dont suck

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And also I noticed one more thing on redbows post quote: "Congrats on 30 posts".....

What would it matter if i had 30 or 5000 posts.Would that make you respect my thoughts. Im sorry that just made me laugh.

you start hunting and you suck, you keep doing it till you dont suck

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I have to be honest never read all the posts...but Daily who said a 150 class is nothing these days. Well it really doesn't matter, but I would say.....REALLLYYY. Yes bigger and more record deer are killed each year, but to make this statement well just isn't accurate. A 150 class animal is still the benchmark standard for Trophy Whitetail hunters. Let me tell you living in Canada where we see a number of trophy sized animal, putting a 150 class down up here(or anywhere) every year is no "Nothing Feat". I would hazard to say not to many even come close. I consider myself a "Trophy Hunter" and I can't make a claim I tag a 150 year after year. I have eaten a lot of tag soup b/c i never connected with a 150 or better. Sure I have had chances to tag 140's or 130's every year, but that isn't a 150. Also if guys are willing to shell out 7500 for a sure 150, that should say something right there about...150's no big deal. Daily don't blame you for being annoyed, a 150 animal is a trophy animal in my books and a sheer accomplishment. (When done the true hunting way, not penned,etc.) I know guys that won't shot anything unless it is bigger than their biggest, which is fine but not me. If I have a chance on a good, mature 150...I pull pin & know many other true "trophy Hunters" who are the same.

Daily, keep your head up and don't let anybody affect your beliefs or opinions. We were all 20 once and frankly I wish some of the guys I knew and hunted with were like you at that age.

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150 class is nothing, come on who you guys trying to kid!!!

Ive hunted whitetails for 15 years, Ive never shot a 150 class, seen 2 that would go 150, and a friend shot one that went 146 last year. That is by far the biggest buck anyone I know has killed!

Ive got 2 that are in the high 20's and low 30's. If someone could put people into 150 class animals every year they would be a millionaire in under 3 years. Maybe you guys should actually watch a good buck be measured, im sure your 150 whitteils would drop into the the low 30's!

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While I certainly can't say that I tag a 150 buck every year I do at least see one or two every year.That being said I would rather take a 140 buck in the wild than a 150 buck inside a fence.As for the price $7500 is awful expensive for a 150 deer.I do know a saskatchewan elk rancher who sells hunts for big bulls.He treats his customers well but certainly has no respect for them and has a good laugh about them after they leave.

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SJ, it sure is expensive for a penned deer. When you consider many outfitters in Sask., Alta and Man. ave. 150 class bucks for what 3500 out of our wild deer populations. But it isn't a sure thing and I guess that is where the money comes in. I know many outfitters and guides who have guys hunt hard for a week for several years before pulling the trigger on a 150, so when you add it up they actually would have been cheaper to hunt this operation. But it is the thrill that keeps them coming, true sportsman with an opportunity to harvest a trophy in its natural habitat. (Nothing better) Trophy hunting gets in your blood and once you get a taste of it....just keeps building.

SwampThing, yeah ain't it the truth. I can't tell you the times I have heard of the B&C or what have you and it turns out not to be. Ground shrinkage...it happens. Only 1 WT buck I have downed was better than I field judged it at. Many have fallen short. No real way to score until you put a tape on it's gear.

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i have hunted exotics on game preserves, and the hunt is what you make of it. wether its 80 acres or 8000 acres high fence, it still a preserve, if the animals cant jump over the fence, you are hunting a game preserve. it cracks me up how people try to justify to themselves, by saying but it was 4000-5000 acres, its still a big pen,and you know that there are big bucks within the high fence.
if people want to spend there money hunting that way, that is there choice. but high fenced is high fenced, no matter how big!!!

ARO

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Well this has everyone in arms!

Realizing everybody has different wants and needs I agree with the vast majority not to hunt on such a reserve. Price being what it is I am sure its just a businessman trying to reap in a capitalistic society. Guess thats what makes America beautiful. We all can agree to disagree (hahahahaha)


"Take a Kid hunting today!"

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ARO,
High Fenceed operations here in this country are looked down upon. I South Africa they are a way of life as the Fence serves to mark the ownership boundrys. And this means all the game inside weather or not they go through, over or under which they do regularly!

Here in Ohio there is an operation I just checked out this past weekend that I WOULDN'T hunt - 200 acres for exotics and 200 acres for hogs. Lets see when I ask the owner he had 6 or 7 Elk, 15 or 20 Corsican Rams, and he listed several other species and the numbers.
Hunting was from stand but in 200 acres, even in southern Ohio I don't know. Thats a lot of animals in a small space.
2000+ acres unless totally feed(read timed feeders under stands) gives you a very good Fair chase oppertunity with you on foot hunting.

A Whitetail has a home range of around 600 acres so even a fenced block of land if considerable larger is not going to effect much in terms of habits.

My 2 cents!



Greg

"Getting close to the game is the joy of Bowhunting for me, the harvest is a bonus."

Live 15 ft Python after eating a small Antelope!

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webster's dictionary defines hunting as such:

to pursue for food or in sport
to traverse in search of prey

what this outfitter describes is DEFINATLY not hunting. the only place i will ever hunt is free open country.

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Yeah the person would said it was mauser06 he's pretty young, I remember when I was 10. Whenever i'd see a buck i'd think it was massive. I think mauser06 said he was 15 that may or may not be the case. But thanks a lot skeeter7mm for understanding, and swampthing I couldn't agree with you more.

you start hunting and you suck, you keep doing it till you dont suck

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that aint hunting thats shopping.

Brian

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Hunting tame deer that are coming to you wanting their daily feed is not hunting. It is simply an overpriced slaughter of meat for the freezer. I raise several steers for the freezer each year, and although I do not do the actual kill, it would be like the slaughter house charging me $7500 for doing it for me. 400 acres is plenty of land to do a hunt as long as the deer are wild and just a couple of hunters at a time. (it is not what I would do though) On the other hand, 10,000 acres, even high fenced would be ok with me. It would be no differant than going to a small island to do a hunt. It is surrounded by water and they can not escape.
Feeding- Many of the programs that we think so highly of on TNN, ODC, or OLN are hunts done in areas where the deer have been fed and it is known that they will return to recieve more feed. I watched one just the other day and they were using Buck Grub deer attractant and feed. When the big buck came up for his feed ,,,,,,,BLAM!!!!!

The best of luck in all your hunting endeavors!!!

God Bless,
Dave