Semi. You may have some good points however one good thing comes of the gotta have the new stuff. Every trick or gimick or sales pitch that sells more guns is good for the industry and every sale that creates another gun owner is a plus as well. Things selling is also what keeps the companies striving to create more and better products. An example that I was just reading this morning about the new Glock GAP 45. Was there really a need for another caliber that duplicates the 45 ACP. Maybe not but its a gun in a good caliber that fits smaller hands and already three companies are busy trying to outdo each other to make ammo for it. Every little thing that gets in the way of the anti gunners is a HUGE plus for the rest of us. So buy a new caliber or buy an old caliber. No matter. Help support the entire industry. I sometimes get a little upset at people that claim that the gun writers have an agenda to push. Hell yes they do and what better agenda than pushing gun sales. Most everyone has a job selling a product or selling themselves or a service. Thats what makes Amercas world turn.

Well put James B.

By the way, you need to change your name my friend. That's my name too so I'm always confused (more than normal) when I see your name up there.

Your analogy is flawed because the Model T puts around at 15 mph, which means getting to the store in twice/thrice as much time as a modern car. On the other hand, the end result with either a .30-06 or .300UM is the same: a very dead deer, very quickly.

If you state the '06 is good enough for everything why would you need a 300 Win down the road then?

I completely agree JamesB. And these are some of the reasons i would like to have every caliber made. I was just stating that i try to stay away from fads when i buy. Next gun will be a 30.30, or a 7mm.08.. I just like the proven stuff that is reasonable to shoot at the range.

I shoot the 280 and would not trade it for any other caliber for deer. If you handload you can reach near standard factory 7MM Magnum ammo velocities. If you don't handload there are loads available from Federal, Winchester, Speer, and Remington. I favor the 140 gr. BST from Winchester if I have to use factory ammo. There are also loads available if you feel like taking on elk.

Like I said, I'm going to Alaska. It's rought and tough up there, with plenty of wide-open space. If I'm going to have to shoot a moose at a very long disance, I want to be ready for anything. Not to mention that the .30-06, while certainly capable of killing a brown bear, is probably not the best choice for one that is charging.

i agree with james b as well... the more gun owners we recruit, the less chance the democraps will have to pass their gun control/banning laws...

I guess I see your argument Six. You are looking purely at a deer hunting round ( the name of this thread). I was looking at a rifle that can do more than just deer hunt that also is more than good enough for deer.

pointer, in factory ammo the 280 will still hold a slight edge in both FPS and LBS to the 270win when comparing apples to apples. I will not argue the availibilty of ammo or rifles chambered in a 280 rem., in fact I mentioned this in my original post. The nice thing about a 280 (IF you plan to hunt Elk) is the ability to go above 150gr bullet. That being said the 140Gr failsafe in a 270 has accounted for 2 elk and 3 moose for me in the past, so it will get the job done if you do your part. Either are fine choices though, best of luck.