I don't know how many more times I can say it before you will either read it or understand it. I already said numerous times that there is a big difference between someone busting hump just to get that shot and someone who just pops a squat with a great view and snipes. You seem unable to comprehend this fact because you keep repeating "What about the guy who works hard to set up that shot" I don't know what else to tell you.

Not very.........but so what?? A LOT of successful hunts are not the result of super skilled woodsman. Guys get lucky, deer get pushed and sometimes you are in the right place at the right time. Getting the drop on a deer 15 yards away at least takes SOME hunting skill. If you make even a small noise or move too quick he is gone.



I asked you to tell me what hunting skill is used to sit in a blind/fort/stand and snipe a deer 400 yards away??? Hunting skill.......not shooting skill. You did nothing before hand.......it's a friends fort and he said you could come shoot a deer because he knows your a good shot.

Hi t roy,

The fact those deer stand there and appear to make themselves easy targets is probably "because" there is no rifle hunting in that part of the country. When I lived on Aberdeen Proving Grounds, (I actually lived on the Edgewood Arsenal side), deer would be out grazing in the open fields around the housing, the airfield, and the warehouse facilities. They would always be out well before dark.....well after sunup....and frequently in the middle of the day. The reason they stood around like that ignoring everybody.....was because they were NOT being hunted there!

As soon as you got "behind the fence".....back in the areas where hunting was permitted....you'd better believe the deer were acting like well "deer". No standing around in broad day light.....little movement through the day...unless joustled....and just as spooky as deer any where else they are hunted. Deer may not "think" like we do...but it doesn't take long to condition them to the specific conditions of the "threat". I have a feeling if you were allowed rifles in Illinois...within a very few years......you'd have a different opinion about that "target practice" thing!

In Alaska when you spook the "spruce grouse" they usually just fly eight or ten feet off the ground into a tree. And then sit there and stare at you. If your throwing arm is any good you could nail them with a rock. Actually, slingshots and pellet guns are frequently used to harvast them for the pot. They act that way because for centuries their enemy and threat was fox, or wolves, not men with guns. (Most Alaskans still call them "stupid chickens".) But they evolved to respond to the threat. Deer on the other hand....are conditioned much quicker!

Has anyone ever tried to "cut through a rock" by pouring water on it? I've been told.....that with hundreds or thousands of years it can be done by the process of erosion! But by god......is it ever a slow process!

I hate to return to this but-
Atlasman, you stated that a small noise or movement at close range can still bust the buck, correct? If this is the case why do most people whistle to get a buck to STOP? Just my thoughts here...

Because they are ready to shoot when they do it. They don't whistle when their gun is still in their lap do they??

The crack of your gun better imediately follow whatever noise you make to get a deer's attention or it's white flag time.

ak,

I don't know what else you want me to say. I address comments you bring up and you just ignore it and keep typing the same thing.

Then I ask you questions and you don't respond..............except by saying stuff like this as if I am causing the log jam.

What point are you even trying to make??.......that you interpreted my original post differently then others?? So what?? We cleared that up pages ago.

I think he is trying to hint to you to drop this issue! this has gotten really pointless! SHUT-UP!

This would have been dropped long ago if some of you guys would relax and
see that nobody is trying to discredit your hunting.

Hi Indiana Dude,

Who said we're not relaxed? This is relaxing! Not everyone having these "disagreements" has their blood pressure skyrocket. Some of us find this very entertaining!

H**l.....this is what I do for fun! (Haven't some of you got it yet.) An IRS tax audit....that is stressful.....this s**t is fun! It's wintertime and we got nothing better to do!

And when the weather turns....and you guys all want to get together for a kegger....we'll take up a collection and "vote" for when and where! Sound good enough? (Oh....for those of us that don't imbibe....they'll be sodas and coffee.....(heavy on the caffiene).

P.S. Be careful of those aneurisms[X(]!

P.S.S. "ak....What point are you even trying to make??......." That's okay atlasman....I already explained to you I understand you don't get it!

this is crazy, and there are alot of people who like to type alot more than i do obviously, pretty soon you will argue animals out west are smarter than animals in other parts of the world or visa versa