Is it hunting??..........or Shooting??
#101
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Man there are defensive people on this board. I saw your point atlasman. Don't see what the argument is over.
Now in rifle areas where guys can take shots out to and past 250 yards with no problem.........hell, you could be cooking breakfast and listening to the radio around a fire pit and still not spook a deer 300 yards away. When a deer comes out at that distance you really have no concerns about being busted by sight, smell, sound, or even movement........all you have to do is be able to shoot accurately.
So is taking a deer at 300 yards more shooting then hunting?? I would have to say so. I can't think of one hunting skill that is required to take a deer at far range.......
So is taking a deer at 300 yards more shooting then hunting?? I would have to say so. I can't think of one hunting skill that is required to take a deer at far range.......
#102
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It has nothing to do with the way I hunt vs the way other people hunt.........mostly because I hunt every way and have nothing against any of them.
I have grown up in a shotgun only area and hunted that way my whole life. I also hunt in some woods of different thickness but rarely can I see more then 100 yards from my tree stand........more likely about 70 or less. My farthest shot taking a deer was a buck I killed last year walking at about 65 yards.
I have zip squat experience KILLING deer at very long ranges......I have SEEN tons of them out that far.
I knew I stayed away from this thread for so long for good reason.
Atlasman , I dont think I made it past page 2 before finding you contradicting yourself!
#103
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Hey guys,
I've got surgery scheduled for today. Some kind of tumor or cyst in the sinus cavity and roof of the mouth. So I'll more likely than not be gone for a few days....(waits for the cheers to die down). Anyhow....I didn't want some of y'all to think I was running out on this one. I'll be back as soon as the drugs wear off.....and I can suck broth through a straw. Or something like that!
Meanwhile....I want Atlasman to announce and run for President. (I haven't heard any better double-speak since...."it depends on what the meaning of is, is".) I think you got a shot man....and it's an idea worth pursuing.
Indiana Dude...you should apply to be his campaign mananger! I haven't seen a willingness to "explain for someone else" so quickly.....since well the Clinton/Gore years.
And there are apparently enough "yes" men...at your behest....to fill a cabinet!
I think we really got something going here! It'd be a shame to waste so much political talent! Maybe we could call it the Hunters Forum Platform Party...or something like that. H.F.P.P. And a catchy little phrase like the "Huff & Puff Party" (get it H.F.P.P.).....or something like that!
Oh.....and by the way! If you guys get any other "good" threads going while I'm gone....save some for me!
Keep it real guys!
I've got surgery scheduled for today. Some kind of tumor or cyst in the sinus cavity and roof of the mouth. So I'll more likely than not be gone for a few days....(waits for the cheers to die down). Anyhow....I didn't want some of y'all to think I was running out on this one. I'll be back as soon as the drugs wear off.....and I can suck broth through a straw. Or something like that!
Meanwhile....I want Atlasman to announce and run for President. (I haven't heard any better double-speak since...."it depends on what the meaning of is, is".) I think you got a shot man....and it's an idea worth pursuing.
Indiana Dude...you should apply to be his campaign mananger! I haven't seen a willingness to "explain for someone else" so quickly.....since well the Clinton/Gore years.
And there are apparently enough "yes" men...at your behest....to fill a cabinet!
I think we really got something going here! It'd be a shame to waste so much political talent! Maybe we could call it the Hunters Forum Platform Party...or something like that. H.F.P.P. And a catchy little phrase like the "Huff & Puff Party" (get it H.F.P.P.).....or something like that!

Oh.....and by the way! If you guys get any other "good" threads going while I'm gone....save some for me!

Keep it real guys!
#104
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From: SPENCER,INDIANA
AFTER READING ALL OF THIS ALL I CAN SAY IS,,,,, I DONT CARE IF YOU USE A BOW,SHOT-GUN,RIFLE OR WHAT EVER IS LEGAL IN YOUR STATE. HUNTING IS HUNTING. JUST TO GET OUT IN THE GREAT OUTDOORS. I HAVE HUNTED OUT WEST AND LOVED EVERY MINUTE OF IT. ALL THAT MATTERS IS THAT WE ALL STICK TOGETHER!!!!! THERE IS STRENGHT IN NUMBERS.......TAKE CARE ALL FELLOW HUNTERS AND HAVE A SAFE HUNT.....
#105
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From: south western, wy USA
Meanwhile....I want Atlasman to announce and run for President.....
after reading a few pages of this i was thinking the same thing akbound.
this guys got a line of bull$#!t almost as long as the clintons.
#106
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From: south western, wy USA
I've got surgery scheduled for today. Some kind of tumor or cyst in the sinus cavity and roof of the mouth. So I'll more likely than not be gone for a few days....(
well miss you around here
#107
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From: NY
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Really?
It has nothing to do with the way I hunt vs the way other people hunt.........mostly because I hunt every way and have nothing against any of them.
I have grown up in a shotgun only area and hunted that way my whole life. I also hunt in some woods of different thickness but rarely can I see more then 100 yards from my tree stand........more likely about 70 or less. My farthest shot taking a deer was a buck I killed last year walking at about 65 yards.
I have zip squat experience KILLING deer at very long ranges......I have SEEN tons of them out that far.
It sounds to me like you need to walk a mile in some of these other hunters shoes before you can honestly say "I hunt every way"
It sounds to me like you need to walk a mile in some of these other hunters shoes before you can honestly say "I hunt every way"
Shotgun experience is by far my most extensive and I LOVE IT!!!! I will NEVER not gun hunt...........but when I drop a deer with a slug I understand that not every one is because of hunting skill alone........some required no hunting skill.......some required a lot......some a little.........mix in some luck, good shooting skill etc and so on.
I killed a doe last year with my gun that someone else was shooting at and it ran right past my tree. All I had to do was make a good shot on a running deer which fortunately I did. I am proud of that deer, she tasted great, it was a clean instant kill................but hell, it was 50% luck (I was the only thing between her and 1,500 acres of woods and she ran right by my tree) and 49% shooting skill (she was dead in mid air) I guess the 1% was hearing and seeing her coming because I was up a tree and if I was on the ground it may have been too late once I saw her. Nothing to be ashamed or get defensive about.
You guys seem to have a problem with admitting that you don't have to be a great hunter to sit in a stand and pick something off 300 yards away........Why?? Hell, I have seen video of paraplegics in Quickie chairs shooting HUGE bucks way the heck out in some food plot..........are you telling me that is a demonstration of hunting skill??? Cmon guys.
I have no problem admitting that some of the deer I have killed were the product of something other then hunting skill. Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes they just seem to fall right in your lap. Geesh, the biggest buck I ever killed was this year and I was just strolling through some goldenrod going to meet my brother and thinking about football and turkey and family.........next thing I know a buck is trotting right at me...........obviously concerned more with what's behind him then what's in front of him. I actually said "JESUS CHRIST!!" OUT LOUD!!!......then was focused enough to stop him with a grunt and make a good clean shot. Hunting skill was involved, but mostly luck......I had walked that same path 50 times that year.......if I had left 30 seconds earlier I may have never seen him........if other hunters weren't making noise down the hill he probably never comes my way and I meet my bro and go have some turkey. When people see him on my wall and ask me about him I am not going to stick out my chest and proclaim I had stalked him for months and played the wind right and brought him in with some light rattles and grunts and every trick in my bag..................NO, I will say "Yea, I was going to meet my brother and head home......I was in a field and looked up and here he comes......BANG!! GAME OVER. Hell, my Safari SLing may have had as much to do with me getting him as anything........if I had my gun over my shoulder I probably don't get that shot off. Thank you Cabela's

Nothing to be ashamed of........just the truth. I have plenty of stories about deer I killed in their beds and in tough areas to hunt where my hunting skills were primary and the shot and luck were minimal...........I don't see what the big deal is about admitting there is a difference. After all, isn't that why a lot of guys take up archery?? Because they are looking for more of a challenge to their hunting skills..........they have to be in close, not a mile away. This is pretty common knowledge isn't it??
Atlasman , I dont think I made it past page 2 before finding you contradicting yourself!
#108
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From: NY
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Anyhow....I didn't want some of y'all to think I was running out on this one.
Anyhow....I didn't want some of y'all to think I was running out on this one.
Yea, that is what we would have all been thinking and worrying about

The only thing more surprising then that statement is the fact that you are not sure if you have a tumor or a cyst [
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[
]Dude........you might want to ask someone because there is quite a difference.
Good luck man............sinus problems suck.
#109
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From: NY
BOWFANATIC,
Since no one else has been willing to answer me on this maybe you can offer me your opinion.
What hunting skill is required to sit in a stand or blind and shoot a deer that is say 350 yards away in a field??
You didn't stalk up to that point, it's not your stand (A friend said you could hunt his land and put you there)..........you are not calling or using scent lures.......just waiting for a deer to poke it's head out into the field. Half hour goes by and a few doe come out followed by a nice 8. You settle your crosshairs on the top of his back because you know your gun and bullet drop and you drop him in his tracks........350 yards. What hunting skill was employed that helped you get that deer??
Since no one else has been willing to answer me on this maybe you can offer me your opinion.
What hunting skill is required to sit in a stand or blind and shoot a deer that is say 350 yards away in a field??
You didn't stalk up to that point, it's not your stand (A friend said you could hunt his land and put you there)..........you are not calling or using scent lures.......just waiting for a deer to poke it's head out into the field. Half hour goes by and a few doe come out followed by a nice 8. You settle your crosshairs on the top of his back because you know your gun and bullet drop and you drop him in his tracks........350 yards. What hunting skill was employed that helped you get that deer??
#110
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From: south western, wy USA
............and am still waiting. I've got news for ya, I sit with that rifle and HOPE for a long range shot on a good deer. I have no problem with it at all........and will take that shot in a second. I am just honest with myself and understand it will be my marksmanship more then anything else that puts that deer down (because I don't stalk, I just sit with a nice view).
as for the rest of us (WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE GUYS THAT ROAD HUNT) we get off our @$$ and go look for the game(stalk) in which it does require some hunting skills and being a marksman is a plus


