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Atlasman,

Fairport is about 3 miles North of Victor (exit 45 off the thruway).


And yes, I do agree that picking off game @ 300 yards requires a tremendous amount of marksmanship. The question is, could a person take a deer at 300 yards without having any skills other than shooting? I believe so (that's my opinion). But I've also seen beginners walk into the woods for the first time and bag a great buck in less than five minutes (right place at the right time). I have to be honest with you, if I were to drop a deer from 300 yards, I too would be rather proud in my ability to shoot great distances. Is it still hunting? Of course it is, just presents a different type of challenge.

I agree with Cisco that far too many people are being defensive. Way back in this thread I was the one that mentioned the word "west". What I should of said was "large open area". It's not east vs. west.......we love you guys out there. Heck we love all ethical hunters! So settle down cowboy:D!

Bn'R

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Bucknrut-
you have the right ideas here.

this thread as new people keep coming start to bring up the exact same arguments!
If people were really reading the threads-I am guilty of not doing this in the beginning(yes crow tastes quite all right though:D)-they would see that what they are saying has already been played out on either side of the argument!

Just realize that this is a "to each his own" type of thing...

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The anti's that are trying to stop hunting altogether just love it when hunters fight amongst themselves.The people that originate threads like this one should think about that before posting them.Once they are posted it is only natural that each hunter will defend his style of hunting.I don't chase deer with dogs or bait big game but I do not condemn any form of legal sport hunting as long as the person has a license and follows the rules set by the fish&game department.

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Personally I thought it was a good question. This is America, "land of the free"!

Bn'R

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So why have some states already outlawed cougar hunting, hunting with dogs,baiting for big game,bans on some guns,waiting periods etc?It sounds like some freedoms have already disappeared with more on the way out.

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Which can all be billed to the liberals...[:@]

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You have got to be kidding (I hope) :(

No one is fighting.........we are having a simple discussion that went off on a few tangents.

Give me a break.

What do you want us all to do Stubble???.......censor what we say and walk around on eggshells in fear of people that don't like hunting??

No thanks..........once you start doing that........they have already won.

Lighten up

:D

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I don't have time to read all the replies, but i feel being capable of shooting a deer at 300 yds is just another tool/skill used in the hunt.

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Well atlasman,

After having reread your original post. And after rereading your most recent post. I'd have to agree....no more egg shells!

First you define the conditions you are use to hunting in. The you describe another set of conditions, (that differs from your conditions). Then you make a blanket statement essentially saying the circumstances that are different from yours....requires "no" skill. (Your words were, "I can't think of one hunting skill that is required to take a deer that far"....or words to that effect.) Are we still "communicating" so far?

You had in essence just stated that any hunter that had taken a deer that far away...required no hunting skill! (Or was there a different interpretation that some of us, less skilled than you, might have missed?) It sure read to me, and evidently quite a few others, that you thought those "hunters" were unskilled. (Except maybe for marksmanship?!?)

So then when a few people point out that maybe it only required somewhat different skills than you were use to....you get fired up. You argue your point over several posts.....and then finally you throw out the "free speech" kinda defense. Or, the anti's have already won if we can't have a discussion. It kinda sounds to me as if you were first "making a statement", (which just kind of sounded judgemental)....and then argue the point. Then finally play it off to just "having a difference of opinions".....and discussing them.

That is all anyone did! Have a different opinion, (or not), and then discussed them! So why does it in fact bother you if someone else's opinion is they would rather "present a united front" to the anti's.....than a "divided front"? That's their opinion!

I am "kinda" left with the opinion......that it is your opinion....that it is okay to have an opinion...and state a case for that opinion......as long as it isn't different than "your opinion"! Is that the case you are making? Or shouldn't I be arguing this point.....because it is my opinion, (and not yours)?

So I'm left a "little fuzzy around the edges"....because I'm not quite sure if it's okay that we do disagree with you and say so....or if we are to only comment if we do agree with you? Clear it up for me a little! Because I really did think your last comment on the original post was for opinions?!?

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It has nothing to do with the way I hunt vs the way other people hunt.........mostly because I hunt every way and have nothing against any of them. I simply look at some ways of and characterize them as reliant less on hunting skills and more on marksmanship. They are all great and I have nothing against anyone that employs any of them. Just don't try and tell me they all depend equally on hunting skill when you can lean against a fence post and drill a deer from 350 yards away that has just about no chance of possibly detecting you before it's too late............or sitting in a blind and capping a deer in a food source 400 yards away.......................what hunting skills were employed by the 2 examples I gave?? Besides knowing where some deer might be?? Some damn fine shooting that's for sure though.

Now if you bust your arse just to earn a shot like that then you did some work.......but sitting around waiting to pick something off on the horizon is more similar to a shooting gallery then anything else.

Once again I am not condeming anyone who hunts this way.........as I would do it myself if I lived in a rifle area.............I just wouldn't kid myself into thinking it was something it isn't.

Why is everyone so bent out of shape about calling a spade a spade?? Many rifle hunts require tremendous amounts of hunting skill AND great marksmanship...........some just require you be a good shot.

Why do you think any Joe Shmoe can shed his business suit and pay $10,000 to sit in a fort somewhere and bag a HUGE buck??? Because all he has to do is make a good shot.........he doesn't even have to know how to spell hunting to get the job done. Now strap a treestand to his back and send him off on his own and he may never even be seen again........and certainly won't bag a big buck.........because he has no hunting skills.............which is more of a requirement in scenerio #2.



Has nothing to do with them being unskilled.........They could be the best hunter on the planet it doesn't really matter because they don't NEED any of those skills to just sit back and cap the first deer that crosses the field within 1,000 feet. See above about busting your arse to get that shot=different story.

Tell me what hunting skill is needed to sit in a blind/treestand or post up on a huge field and blast the first deer that sticks it's head out 400 yards away??


People can have any opinion they want..........just because I don't change my mind when someone says something different doesn't mean I am fired up. Isn't that what a healthy debate is made of?? Different opinions layed out with supporting reasons to back them up??

I am not the one who got all defensive here..........people started getting all nervous like I was putting down western hunting or saying rifle hunters weren't real hunters blah blah blah. If they would just read the posts and not try to read BETWEEN the lines for hidden insults they would see I was just stating my opinions about this topic.........A few guys were able to do it no problem........a few weren't.