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And I suppose that the few guys able to do it no problem....were the ones that agreed carte blanche with you? Meanwhile others couldn't.....which would they be?

I will not argue with you that different skills aren't required in the different scenarios you described above. On that we agree! But to assume that the guy that got the 300 yard shot...had not used any skill to "put himself in that position"....is to draw a conclusion that you do not necessarily have the information to make that conclusion with! Now, if as you said, the guy walked up and paid someone else $10,000. to "set him up" in that position......your supposition would be correct. (Of course someone else might argue that he had worked his ass off the get the money to have to do that with...but that would be an entirely different argument.) But what about the guy/gal that scouted out the area...knew the deer movement habits...knew that deer crossed at point "X" at certain times of the day...more or less.....and then put themselves into the position to get that shot, (not to mention the marksmanship skill of actually making the shot)? Now...do you see my point?

You can't just assume because someone capped their deer at 300 yards...that they had no hunting skills prior to making the shot! What if they didn't "just get lucky and sit there"? What if they actually "were there" because of their hunting skills? Now does a light come on!!!!

That is the point some people were trying to make! I understood your point perfectly.....the first time I read it. And if you reread it "objectively" tell me again it doesn't have a trace of "this" requires more SKILL that "that"! If you still insist that your original post doesn't come across a little that way....then of course I'd owe you an apology. You can be honest....or dishonest....with me and any one else on the forum. But you will know for yourself if it doesn't come across sounding that way! It may not have been your intent...but we all know where the road to good intentions end!

And this still isn't about you or I.....it's about the post!

P.S. Every whitetail I've ever taken with a rifle has been under 100 yards. The furthest whitetail I ever shot was at about 115 to 120 yards with a sabot slug. (But I've killed big game at further ranges...) I do understand getting busted by a whitetail up close!

RE: Is it hunting??..........or Shooting??
 

Only one way to settle this kegs at 5 yards at dawn.

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Hey Charlie,

Who's paying the tab?:D

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Whomever you choose as your second is responsible for bringing your weapon.

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Hey Charlie,

Can you afford two kegs? And are you busy at dawn tomorrow?:D

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I know where you can get $75 for a lost keg :D.

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I don't remember who they agreed with really............I do remember them rewording my statements and saying they knew what I was talking about. While others seemed to be on a mission to turn my comments into something different because "that's what I really meant"


OK


I never made that assumption and in fact addressed that issue twice in my last post to clarify that very point.

How is that different from the other 2 examples I gave??? My paid hunter analogy was only used to show that hunting skill is not needed.........the other situations are no different, only the shooter may in fact BE skilled at hunting.........he just doesn't NEED to be nor are those skills put to use in the scenerios I listed.


Now you have me thinking that you are not even reading my posts :( I addressed the issue of someone busting their arse just to be able to get a shot more then once...........geesh!!


I never made any such assumptions and already addressed this issue repeatedly.


Well, seeing how "this" DOES require more skill then "that" I hope it has more then just a trace.

Then you should have no problems understanding how much less you have to be concerned about that when they are 1,000 feet away.........not that you can bang a gong and blow whistles all day either but I don't think you need to worry about them seeing the whites of your eyes either ;)

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Hi again,

I had read your other posts.....before I went back to the original.....just to make sure that the original wasn't stated differently...then I thought I had read it. It wasn't...and still isn't.

I had, and still have no problem, with admitting on where we agree. I have no problem with admitting or understanding your argument. But I guess you are having trouble understanding how someone could misconstrue the original post you made. Your original post came across as sounding one scenario required more skill....and the other required less. And I think you.....after all the explanations.....still believe that. What many people tried, in vain, to point out is that they required "different skills" and that maybe the level of the "hunting skill" required to "set up the long shot" was not any less of an achievement. (The fact of the matter is one of the biggest bucks I ever shot I did so as he snuck under my 12' high tree stand and he may have been 15 yards at the shot. He was really close....and it had taken very little skill on my part. I had been placed on a stand by "draw" on a Federal Installation. He was close...and he was easy. So how skilled was that? The distance to the animal at the shot....does not the entire tale tell.) And of course if you run through all of your post....you did in fact run full circle in your explanations. But you never accepted responsibility for your original post coming off as saying that the deer killed at long range....required "no hunting skills". And that is in fact.....what you said! It's still there in black and white. And it really is as simple as that. You are entitled to your opinion.....just as the rest of us our entitled to ours.

On this one....we are going to have to agree.....to disagree! All anyone need do is read your original post....to put things back into perspective. It is what started the debate....and you "explained all day long"....but never accepted responsibility for its contents.

Yes....we have a difference of opinion! I won't continue to argue with you....not because I don't think there is validity to what I'm saying. I've just reached the conclusion I don't think "you'll" understand what I'm trying to say!

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If a guy could use a rifle in Illinois it would definitely be simple target practice, although I agree that elk, mule deer etc seem to be more aware of far off threats, possibly because they are used to being hunted from far away or simply because there is a lot more room out west.

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tell you what, I consider myself a fairly objective person and I would be willing to settle this dispute, my suggestion is this, one of you fellers from out west and I trade hunts, I would be more than happy to come out West and judge just exactly how hard it is to hunt elk, preferably.