Scopes on Muzzleloaders... For or Against?
05-31-2017, 10:37 AM
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Spike
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Location: Minnesota
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Scopes on Muzzleloaders... For or Against?
Do you support the use of scopes on Muzzleloaders?
Minnesota's Gov. Mark Dayton signed several bills into law late Tuesday afternoon, including too allow the use of scopes on muzzleloaders here in Minnesota during the muzzleloader season. Other laws passed include an increase in license fees which will go into effect next March, and also approved blaze pink as a blaze orange substitute.
“I am pleased that an agreement was reached on this bill, since there were policy provisions in the original bill proposed by the Legislature that I found objectionable,” Dayton wrote. “I am also glad the Lessard-Sams (Outdoor Heritage) Council’s recommendations were restored. Thank you for your commitment to the many sportsmen and women, outdoor recreation enthusiasts, hunters, anglers, and everyone else committed to the enhancement of our state’s priceless outdoor heritage.”
People all across social media have been talking about it back and forth for several weeks already from both sides of the argument, but I’d really like to hear your thoughts. Are you for scopes on muzzleloader? or against?
Minnesota's Gov. Mark Dayton signed several bills into law late Tuesday afternoon, including too allow the use of scopes on muzzleloaders here in Minnesota during the muzzleloader season. Other laws passed include an increase in license fees which will go into effect next March, and also approved blaze pink as a blaze orange substitute.
“I am pleased that an agreement was reached on this bill, since there were policy provisions in the original bill proposed by the Legislature that I found objectionable,” Dayton wrote. “I am also glad the Lessard-Sams (Outdoor Heritage) Council’s recommendations were restored. Thank you for your commitment to the many sportsmen and women, outdoor recreation enthusiasts, hunters, anglers, and everyone else committed to the enhancement of our state’s priceless outdoor heritage.”
People all across social media have been talking about it back and forth for several weeks already from both sides of the argument, but I’d really like to hear your thoughts. Are you for scopes on muzzleloader? or against?
05-31-2017, 10:44 AM
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Boone & Crockett
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Location: south eastern PA
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It doesn't matter if I am for or against since it isn't my state. However, In PA during our flintlock only season it used to be only open sights could be used, then just before I retired in 07 they passed a reulation to allow peep sights. The next step would be scopes which I would strongly and vocally oppose. They have made too many concessions already to what is supposed to be a primitive firearm season. So far as inlines and didelock percussion, I have no opinion, they cannot be used in the flintlock season.
05-31-2017, 12:27 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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I have a odd view I guess, if you want to hunt with a primitive weapon, shouldn;t you be limited to what it was?
and thus, NO scopes on flintlock and the like Muzzleloaders IMO
and maybe should be a different season for them as to IN lines, which as ARE more modern, that I think MOST game depts standards were when these seasons were started!
IN lines have come a LONG way from what a primitive muzzle loader once was!
from farther shooting, more powerful(more or less) and faster reloading!
STill a single shot YES(well most are) but its ability's are way different than what these seasons were when flintlock's were the expected gun of use in them!
MY 2 cents that's all!
and thus, NO scopes on flintlock and the like Muzzleloaders IMO
and maybe should be a different season for them as to IN lines, which as ARE more modern, that I think MOST game depts standards were when these seasons were started!
IN lines have come a LONG way from what a primitive muzzle loader once was!
from farther shooting, more powerful(more or less) and faster reloading!
STill a single shot YES(well most are) but its ability's are way different than what these seasons were when flintlock's were the expected gun of use in them!
MY 2 cents that's all!
05-31-2017, 01:12 PM
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Boone & Crockett
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mrbb, the problem is, inlines do not even come close to being a primitive weapon. They are cartridgeless centerfire rifles. Especially the ones that use smokless powder. They too were once not allowed in PA's muzzleloader season.
05-31-2017, 01:31 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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Originally Posted by Oldtimr
mrbb, the problem is, inlines do not even come close to being a primitive weapon. They are cartridgeless centerfire rifles. Especially the ones that use smokless powder. They too were once not allowed in PA's muzzleloader season.
and agree there darn close to modern center fire rifles, minus the front loading still!
I have Both types, and can see the fun in them, but I won't call them the same class of weapon, and thus why I said, maybe should be a season for each>
BUT that gets us into the BOW< recurve, Compound and X bow arguments then doesn't it LOL
05-31-2017, 01:45 PM
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Typical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: SW Montana
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I have 3 muzzleloading rifles.
A .45 cal Kentucky percussion long rifle that I built from a CVA kit and used it to kill my best mule deer buck in Colorado's first muzzleloader season.
A .54 cal percussion Hawken that I built from a Green River kit, and I used it to kill my American buffalo.
And a .50 cal Traditions inline topped with a 3-9x scope. So far it is bloodless.
My personal opinion is that primitive weapons seasons should be limited to primitive weapons. No inlines, no scopes, and only black powder or Pyrodex granular powder, no pellets. Like Oldtimer posted, modern muzzleloaders have evolved into cartridgeless centerfire rifles.
If you want to hunt in a primitive season, use a primitive weapon. There is nothing to stop you from using your hi tech inline muzzleloader in the regular rifle season.
A .45 cal Kentucky percussion long rifle that I built from a CVA kit and used it to kill my best mule deer buck in Colorado's first muzzleloader season.
A .54 cal percussion Hawken that I built from a Green River kit, and I used it to kill my American buffalo.
And a .50 cal Traditions inline topped with a 3-9x scope. So far it is bloodless.
My personal opinion is that primitive weapons seasons should be limited to primitive weapons. No inlines, no scopes, and only black powder or Pyrodex granular powder, no pellets. Like Oldtimer posted, modern muzzleloaders have evolved into cartridgeless centerfire rifles.
If you want to hunt in a primitive season, use a primitive weapon. There is nothing to stop you from using your hi tech inline muzzleloader in the regular rifle season.
