Buck Down!! My best yet.....Short Video
11-18-2014, 06:02 AM
#31
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 3,359
one more tiny piece of advice for those of you who are against hunting over a little corn pile or other bait..
Do not ever go on an outfitted hunt with a guide in a state where baiting is legal because you will have just about a 100% chance of hunting baited stand..
You pay for these hunts to kill a deer whether you want to admit that or not, the outfitter gets paid no matter what but his #1 goal is to put you on deer..
Oh you can ask to hunt a non-baited area but your odds will drop greatly since most every one in the state is baiting.
But that might be what you want.. Then you can go home with an empty truck bed feeling good about yourself your ethics are beyond reproach.
I do have to add one more thing ..The outfitter I have hunted with several times in KY wishes baiting was illegal in that state, he spends $1000s a year on corn.. His way of thinking if he does not do it and the adjoining land owners all do and he will not be able to put his clients on deer even though he is an excellent guide and outfitter..
I have killed two good bucks in KY hunting with him both times hunting baited stands and both times after nearly a full week of daylight to dark sitting passing smaller bucks..
not trying to change any hearts or minds but lets cut all the negativity and personal attacks..
So in closing lol..My best advice as one hunter to another is you don't say anything about my hunting methods and I won't question yours.. it may not be your cup of tea but we are all hunters and love the outdoors..
Do not ever go on an outfitted hunt with a guide in a state where baiting is legal because you will have just about a 100% chance of hunting baited stand..
You pay for these hunts to kill a deer whether you want to admit that or not, the outfitter gets paid no matter what but his #1 goal is to put you on deer..
Oh you can ask to hunt a non-baited area but your odds will drop greatly since most every one in the state is baiting.
But that might be what you want.. Then you can go home with an empty truck bed feeling good about yourself your ethics are beyond reproach.
I do have to add one more thing ..The outfitter I have hunted with several times in KY wishes baiting was illegal in that state, he spends $1000s a year on corn.. His way of thinking if he does not do it and the adjoining land owners all do and he will not be able to put his clients on deer even though he is an excellent guide and outfitter..
I have killed two good bucks in KY hunting with him both times hunting baited stands and both times after nearly a full week of daylight to dark sitting passing smaller bucks..
not trying to change any hearts or minds but lets cut all the negativity and personal attacks..
So in closing lol..My best advice as one hunter to another is you don't say anything about my hunting methods and I won't question yours.. it may not be your cup of tea but we are all hunters and love the outdoors..
I get that. I have a buddy in KY that keeps asking for advice on deer hunting and I told him unfortunately your probably going to have to get a feeder because all your neighbors probably have them.
I don't want to hunt over a feeder ever so I am glad its illegal in my state but like I said I get it. I certainly wouldn't sit there all year and not see a deer because my neighbors have feeders and I don't.
11-18-2014, 06:14 AM
#32
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 3,359
I,ve hunt deer here in va, wv, and ky for 40+ years, never would you see a mature buck jump a cattle fence into a wide open field during daylight unless he was in flight mode. they do in tx for a couple reasons, #1 they are conditioned to it, been fed year round they,re whole life, #2 does at the feeder during the rut, put a feeder up in the woods here and you'll never see a mature buck under it during daylight, but it will hold does so the bucks will show up during the rut, its ok if legal, just not my preferred method.
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How do you think the fence effected that hunt?
11-18-2014, 06:24 AM
#33
Fork Horn
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: GA
Posts: 357
if you are paying $1500 or more for a five to seven day hunt it is..
At least I would bet if you asked 100 people that question the majority if they are being honest would say a kill is most important second to the hunt and getting to hunt a new piece of ground..
At least I would bet if you asked 100 people that question the majority if they are being honest would say a kill is most important second to the hunt and getting to hunt a new piece of ground..
11-18-2014, 06:29 AM
#34
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 3,359
Yep. I grew up doing most my hunting in the wide open spaces of the Rockies. We didn't have a lot of fences and we didn't have any feeders. I've also done a lot of hunting in the mountains of VA and the river bottoms of FL. Not many fences there either. So yes, seeing a fence in a video about hunting kind of "puts me off". I equate fences with livestock and in TX there are a lot of deer shot every year behind game proof fences. I understand the fence in this video wasn't game proof but I still get "put off" by it.
But it is the feeder I mostly find disagreeable. Anytime you artificially feed wildlife you condition it. I personally want no part of it. But like I have said, if it is legal, then have at it. I myself, will pass.
Feel free to disagree, but do you really think you're going to change my mind?
But it is the feeder I mostly find disagreeable. Anytime you artificially feed wildlife you condition it. I personally want no part of it. But like I have said, if it is legal, then have at it. I myself, will pass.
Feel free to disagree, but do you really think you're going to change my mind?
I agree with the feeders, not my thing either but fences? come on its just a fence. They are everywhere in some parts of the country. The deer jump right over them.
Where I'm from nearly every property is boarded by fences, the deer jump right over them like they are not even there.
Sure I get put off by high fence "hunting" as well but don't you think its a little obtuse to be "put off" by every old fence you see because some people have high fences?
11-18-2014, 06:40 AM
#35
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: VA.
Posts: 1,415
Obviously the hunter would like to take a game animal but commercialization is creating a kill at all cost mentality. Buying a kill is not hunting in any sense of the word. Skill is becoming far removed from hunting in this day and age.
11-18-2014, 06:52 AM
#36
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 9,230
Which means that you're used to seeing them while hunting. I'm not so I take a different view of them. Maybe I'm just used to hunting in more pristine areas. Bottom line, for me fences and hunting don't go together.
To each his own.
To each his own.
11-18-2014, 06:57 AM
#37
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 3,359
Its hard to explain why really. I don't care that they pay somebody else to hunt a deer so they can shoot it. Its just something about being so close to it and seeing how it goes down that irks me.
I guess its not really that I am against as much as I want it to be separated from what I do. I don't like to see people parading a buck around town like they are a hero when somebody else did all the work.....I just don't.
I see it all they time. They come in town like they own the place..like they are here to save us from a deer attack. Somebody powders their ass and puts them in a tree where the deer are, they shoot a big buck and act like they are fred bear himself.
So many of them don't even seem to have a clue what really goes into getting that done.....They seem to actually believe it was their hunting skills.
11-18-2014, 06:58 AM
#38
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 3,359
That seems about right. If its not exactly what your used to you don't like it.
Last edited by rockport; 11-18-2014 at 07:03 AM.
11-18-2014, 07:14 AM
#39
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Darien, IL
Posts: 6,744
In hunter safety ed I teach ethics and one of the thoughts I and other instructors have evolved is.....
Just because it is legal does not mean it is right or ethical.
(For crying out loud just consider the people who draft and create or laws. Nuf said)
11-18-2014, 07:23 AM
#40
Spike
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: KY
Posts: 15
The argument here seems to stem from the difference in why people hunt more than how they hunt. I, and many of my neighbors, hunt for meat, but enjoy taking a nice buck as much as anyone else, so I have no problem with how someone hunts as long as it's legal.
For those of you who enjoy challenging yourselves by stalking, avoiding blinds, not baiting, and otherwise acting like a woodland ninja, that's great. If I was younger and built a little lighter, maybe I would enjoy doing that, but as it is I have as much chance of sneaking up on a deer as I do defeating one with a rear naked choke.
Point being, the methods of the hunt are often determined by the goal of the hunt. I'm not coming up short on meat for the year because some guy mocks me for spending hours planting a food plot or building a blind at a "funnel" on my own property and shooting mature deer who come through. Likewise I don't begrudge the guys running around the woods for hours in what seems like an unnecessary misadventure to me, and I certainly wouldn't criticize their techniques that I am incapable of, or have no interest in, replicating.
What I think has some people rubbed the wrong way is that I wouldn't think anyone outside of my immediate family would care if I took pictures, much less made a video, of any deer I take. I've come to recognize that a lot of hunters have taken splendid bucks, and that the one's I take are really only of meaning to me. There's absolutely nothing wrong with how the guy hunts, but expecting people to enjoy or get excited about what I will readily admit is a rather mundane, although comfortable, form of hunting is asking a little much. The result is nice and I hope you feel a sense of accomplishment for taking him, but we may as well be watching you mow the lawn or do the laundry for the first 2 minutes.
For those of you who enjoy challenging yourselves by stalking, avoiding blinds, not baiting, and otherwise acting like a woodland ninja, that's great. If I was younger and built a little lighter, maybe I would enjoy doing that, but as it is I have as much chance of sneaking up on a deer as I do defeating one with a rear naked choke.
Point being, the methods of the hunt are often determined by the goal of the hunt. I'm not coming up short on meat for the year because some guy mocks me for spending hours planting a food plot or building a blind at a "funnel" on my own property and shooting mature deer who come through. Likewise I don't begrudge the guys running around the woods for hours in what seems like an unnecessary misadventure to me, and I certainly wouldn't criticize their techniques that I am incapable of, or have no interest in, replicating.
What I think has some people rubbed the wrong way is that I wouldn't think anyone outside of my immediate family would care if I took pictures, much less made a video, of any deer I take. I've come to recognize that a lot of hunters have taken splendid bucks, and that the one's I take are really only of meaning to me. There's absolutely nothing wrong with how the guy hunts, but expecting people to enjoy or get excited about what I will readily admit is a rather mundane, although comfortable, form of hunting is asking a little much. The result is nice and I hope you feel a sense of accomplishment for taking him, but we may as well be watching you mow the lawn or do the laundry for the first 2 minutes.