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.45-70 vs. 12ga. Slug/Sabot

Old 08-27-2014, 08:46 AM
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Default .45-70 vs. 12ga. Slug/Sabot

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I'm sure this has been tossed around a lot on here but I went back several pages and didn't see anything recent. My state of Ohio just this year adopted the use of straight-walled cartridges fired from a long gun as an option for whitetail. (We'd traditionally been a shotgun and pistol only state.) 12ga. w/ a rifled barrel and sabots is a great option in the 100 yard range which is what I've found makes up 90% of shot opportunities where I hunt, BUT I was curious and have never fired one, on how the .45-70govt. round performs comparably? I'd be interested in some feedback of experiences you've had in terms of range, bullet-drop, take-down power more so than actual ballistic ratings itself. I don't reload, so I'd also be interested in what brand/grain of bullet has proven effective. I'm entertaining the idea of purchasing a Marlin 1895G Guide Gun in .45-70 and spending some significant range time with it before the season but wanted some input on here before making the jump. Why not stick with what's worked....dunno, change can be a challenge sometimes, right?

If both guns are sitting on a rack, which are you walking out the door with on the first day of whitetail season?

Thanks in advance for the feedback.
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Old 08-27-2014, 08:54 AM
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a 444 marlin or a 460 smith & wesson but between your 2 choices i would pick the 45 -70 my choice is the 444 marlin just a we bit stronger & got a h&r single shot for 250 shoots real nice & about the kick of a 12 ga. right now good luck finding 45/70 ammo the 444 marlin is starting to dry up good luck
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Old 08-27-2014, 08:58 AM
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I've shot deer with a 45/70, and have not had any of them complain.

You don't handload, and you're buying a new gun, so perhaps think about the 450 Marlin. Factory ammo is loaded toward the higher end of the cartridge's capabilities, as opposed to factory 45/70 ammo which can be on the lame side, except maybe Hornady Leverevolution and some of the othe small makers like Buffalo Bore and Garrett , which are not caheap by any means.

If you hit a deer forward of the diaphram with a 45 caliber bullet moving around 2000 fps, the deer will expire pretty quickly. This should be easy to do with either the 45/70 or 450 Marlin. Ballistically, Id say these guns are about on par with the higher end sabot slugs, so you may not see any real ballistic advantage to using a rifle. I'd say the advantage would lie in relative accuracy (perhaps) and handiness of the rifle.

I have an 1895 SS in 45/70 with a peepsight, that is awesome in the woods. I would much prefer to hunt with it than my Marlin 512 bolt action slug gun, though both are accurate enough for the areas I hunt.
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Old 08-27-2014, 10:38 AM
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12 ga. with sabots 150+ yards.
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Old 08-27-2014, 11:04 AM
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I have both a mossberg 500 w/slug barrel and a Marlin 45-70. Both will get the job done out to a 100 yds.
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Old 08-27-2014, 11:44 AM
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45 70 hands down. The Hornady ammo works great. I prefer the Federal 300 grain factory loaded with the Speer hot cores in a factory load. Great bullet and accurate. Flatten moose and elk with authority. I do handload and load em warm and love the old caliber. Nothing on this planet is a match for this old girl. You'll love it. It is very capable of long shots if you are using a range finder and have shot longer distances with it. We do 500 yard gongs with them, and you smile as you hear that smack after firing.
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Old 08-27-2014, 12:00 PM
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The .45-70 is a good choice. I have a mossberg 695 bolt action that is a great slug gun, and I've shot out to 150. But the .45-70 would be my go to option. I will say this, for allot of Ohio's special draw hunts, the shotgun is still the only thing allowed. So if you have any plans of applying for those draws you may want to go with the shotgun. But for other days go with the .45-70
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Old 08-27-2014, 12:26 PM
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This will be the 4th year I will be using a 45-70 for both deer and wild hogs. I use the leverevolution ammo 325 grn. I have killed 3 deer,2 shot in the crease behind the shoulder and one in the base of the neck. All went right down and I had no meat loss and the ones shot behind the shoulder had the lungs and heart turned to soup. I have killed 5 hogs, all shot in the head. I used a .308 for 40 years before I bought the 45-70, Marlin 1895 guide gun with ported barrel. I may go back to the .308 one day but right now, I am enjoying the 45-70. If I had to choose between a rifled slug and the 45-70, no contest, I would take the 45-70.

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Old 08-27-2014, 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by RWK View Post
12 ga. with sabots 150+ yards.
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12 gauge Slugs (sabots) ........if you can hit where you are aiming, they are devastating !
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Old 08-28-2014, 02:23 AM
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Savage 220f 20g have dropped them out to 225 yards.
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