Judas Jenny, I give up!!! You, Sir, need a class on reading comprehension and it should start with learning what harrassment is and isn't!!! Again all I have done is give opinions identical to a bunch of members on this thread and all you're doing is jumping on me. Get a life and put me on ignore like I guess I'll be doing with you!!!

Murby---You sure take a great interest in me, as that last post sounds like stalking, LOL! Yea, I was here alone with my dog because my wife is away taking care of our very ill daughter and the other kids are all coming for our Christmas on the 1/4. This time of year I do spend most of my time on hunting forums with the way TV sucks, but I was not on any while gone on a three month hunting trip from 8/20 to 11/17. You might say I was making up ground, LOL! You have sure proven to be a real pain to everyone on this site in case you haven't been reading all the others negative repsonse about most of your posts. After that silly post of yours you will also go on ignore since you're not worth the time and never say anything that's correct or makes any sense!!!

ok. if we have this law thing sorted out. can anybody answer my question about the antlers.

So you think its a good idea to report someone for harassment then continue to engage them?

Harassment: "aggressive pressure or intimidation"

Basically exactly what you are doing and I'm trying to get you to stop doing.

*** Sounds like a great response from a violator who is more interested in that than what wthis thread is really discussing---says a lot about you without you posting much of anything else!!!

I already tried to. Go back to my first post and read it again.

It could be fighting since deer break antlers. It could be genetics, remember a buck only supplies half the genes, people forget the doe plays a role too. It could be a mineral deficiency. Heck, there are lots of things it could be. Can't really say with the info you have provided. What is the average sized buck for that area? Do other deer taken by other people exhibit the same thing? Is there anything different about where you hunt and the rest of the county? Is the available feed different this year than it was last year? There are a lot of variables to factor in.

How old were the deer? Deer that are in the old age phase of life can no longer grow big antlers and it isn't unusual for them to revert back to small racks and even spikes.

Welcome to the forum buckman, hope you stick around. I have one property I hunt that is thicker than snot. I, and others, frequently see half racks on this property. In the ten years I've had permission to hunt it I know of 12 half rakcs that have been shot on it. I've never shot one myself, but I've seen allot of them there. I can't say why, maybe minerals, maybe the thick nasty brush, I don't know. But that property has half racks. I saw 4 different half racks there this year and my uncle shot a half rack there that I hadn't seen previous.
-Jake

man...is it just me or are skinnner and topgun a couple of a-holes. give the dude a break my goodnes. he didnt ask for legal advice or any holier than thou tirade from either of you.

Here's just a few of the half racks I've seen shot off this property. Again, I don't know why.. Other areas near by I rarely see half racks. But this property has them every year.
-Jake

Many, many, many people have left the forum over the years because of posts like TG makes. Not saying because of TG, lots left prior to him showing up. But if I was a new/potential new user, and I scanned just a few posts and saw arguments like this thread has turned into I'd go on to the next site. People want to discuss hunting not be lectured. Eventually TG will be talking to himself here, but he'll be happy that way I think. The way he jumps all over people you'd think he'd just rather message himself. As if an internet lecturing does any good anyway.
-Jake

Sorry but if your going to post an illegal activity on an open forum someones going to say something.i just hope he learned something from it.any kind of illegal hunting practices gives hunting a bad name in general.maybe some day when you grow up you will understand that.

Give him a break?yes ok lets do that then when the next guy that comes along that was poaching at night we will give him a break too.where does it stop?like iv said before,if your not intreasted in knowing what the law states or are not intreasted in following it then you should not have the right to hunt.It has nothing to do with me being an arsehole it has to do with knowing the law and following it.

Buckman i just have one question.did you learn anything from this?if you did im more than willing to let it go.you can not call not know the law a mistake as it is your responsabilty to know exactly what the law says.

I would say it stops when it stops being an honest ADMITTED mistake.

The guy already knows he made a mistake. I mean you can keep telling him he is wrong but he admitted that right off the bat.

I think we all draw the line well ahead of poaching at night.

There is pretty big gap between not seeing a 3 inch antler and poaching at night.

The "line" is also kind of relative. I don't thinks its ok to go out and shoot illegal spikes on doe tags on purpose or all the time but I don't think its a big deal to make a simple minor mistake every once in a while.

I don't thinks its wrong to point out the mistake either......but how long do you ride a guy that already knows he made a mistake?

Well heres the thing rock,i understand he made a valid mistake by not seeing a three inch spike at 200 yards.but it was up to him to know that he couldnt tag it with a doe tag.that is not a mistake that is called not knowing the regulations and that is something that could have been easly avoided.seriously it took us a few minutes to veiw the regulations and see where he went wrong.hes been hunting that same area for ten years.

Right, he should have done that but he didn't. He knows it was a mistake.......now what?

I would call not knowing the regulations a mistake.

I mean I'm not above it. I'd like to be but I'm capable of screwing up and then looking back and thinking "damn I should have known better"

Well whats done is done.like i stated to him im more than willing to let it go aslong as he learned something that being to know the full extent of the law.would u consider that fair?

No,not knowing the law isnt a mistake its called ignorance for the law and any co will veiw it as the same.ignorance of the law is always frowned apon since its nothing that reading your state law requirements wouldnt solve

Skinnner---I'm not going to leave and I know you aren't either. They can call me anything they want, but it's incredible that this thread uncovered what was one, if not two or three major game law violations, since the OP will not comment on what tags he had. Now coming on again calling me ignorant and then with another ridiculous post where he is more concerned why those antlers are that way instead of clearing the air on what is being discussed. The only conclusion that most should come up with is that by not answering questions about the tags is because he violated more laws than just not knowing the 3" buck rule!! A simple sentence or two on what tags he had and how they were used would have been very simple to clear the air and allow us to get back to the antler question, don't you think? The issues and violations discussed here are severe enough that the OP could lose his hunting rights in MO if he got caught and since MO is a Wildlife Compact Violator participant, that would mean he could lose his hunting rights in 40 participating states for whatever length of time the Judge sentenced him to in MO. I'd call that pretty serious for not knowing the law or possibly just disregarding it like may have been the case. Yet some on here appear to just think it should be brushed aside like it happens to everybody, so big deal. Amazing that you and I are being called aholes here for calling the guy out regarding major violations of the law, which hurts all of us and hunting in general and all they're worried about is that we might have offended the OP to the point that he might not come back!!! Maybe some of these guys condoning that kind of crappola and other things that are less than kosher on other threads are the reason why they claim the site is declining! PS: I told you my pointer has a higher IQ than the new guy from my home state making all his brilliant posts and that last one sure proved it!

Yes I would. However When a guy says "it was a mistake I have to live with"

I see that as learning from a mistake


As far as whether its a mistake or not I disagree with you.

Mistake: an action or judgment that is misguided or wrong

I'd say that is exactly what it is.

This post bothers me!he clearly says hes more concerned with being talked down too then the fact that he was in the wrong.he really has no right to be ashamed of any other hunter Other then himself for not knowing the law.its like the pot calling the kettel black and it doesnt sound like hes takeing full responsabilty for his mistakes.

Yes ok lets see him explaine that one to a judge,how do u think that would turn out?i know how it would turn out,the judge would say ignorance of the law is not acceptable

Simple solution...Know the law or don't hunt. Peroid. I know we all remember not to long ago when lifelong and world hunter Ted Nugent violated game laws not once but twice. Illegal baiting of deer in California which he televised and Illegally taking a bear after wounding one the day before maybe in the Prince of Wales. As he stated at the time he did not know the law and ignorance of the law is no excuse. So if there is a lesson to be learned for the new hunters coming to this forum, Make triple sure you know the game laws where you are hunting and follow them to the letter. Identifying beyond a 100% ANY doubt what your target is... is paramount and job #1 along with firearm safety. Let this be a lesson!

That is exactly what im saying!he should consider himself lucky to be getting flamed on a forum instead of being infront of a co that would reviel all the laws he broke and being charged for them

Yep if he got caught, went to court, and told the judge it was a mistake......he would get a ticket......for his mistake

However this is not a court and we are not judges.

No we are not lucky for him.but i would agree with any judge that told him ignorance of the law is not acceptable.its not a mistake rock,its up to him to know the law,thats all there is too it and by you continueing to vouch for him saying its ok it was a mistake is doing nothing but allowing him to feel like its ok.Its not ok!like for pete sakes just learn the law and if you cant do that then what makes him responsable to carry a firearm?

And as far as this not being a court room,it could just be.any idea of how many people are getting charged these days because the post illegal activitys On the net?

No we are not judges BUT We ARE RESPONSIBLE stewards of or natural resources And as such have a responsibility to reprimand ANYONE who violates the Law mistake or no mistake!

Ks your last two posts were spot on!thank you for seeing the big picture here.

Again mistake means action that is wrong<<----fact not opinion.

Your kidding yourself if you think you know every law in this country and never accidentally break a law.


I never ever said it was Ok and neither did the OP(as a matter of fact the opposite of that has been repeated over and over)......I just don't know what more you want.

NP Buddy! Today's up and coming youth hunters MUST understand HOW IMPORTANT it is to identify your target AND KNOW what's BEYOND it. It really is a matter of life and death. You can't take the bullet or arrow or any projectile back once it is released. So you MUST be SURE.

What i want is for people to stop writeing ignorance of the laws as a mistake.its not a mistake!its neglet of the law.and i dont need to know every law ever writen but i do need to know the ones that pretain to me and my activities such as hunting.What id like to see is him come on here and admit he did not read his state laws to the tee and to say that he will from now on.not a big rant how hes been hunting for ten years and he doesnt need to be told what to do when its clear he does at this point.is that asking too much?

I totaly agree!when dealing with deadly wepons the word mistake is a four letter word and its up to us to minamize any kind of mistakes that may accure and it starts with knowing the law and safe ussage of a firearm.

Rock,if he comes on here and says yes i should have understood the law and i will do my upmost to do so from now on.i will leave this post alone.is that fair enough?

I don't think it would have been asking to much. I think it could have been ask in a much more productive manner.

Ok so if he says what i just previously posted and he means it,i will drop it.is that fair enough?

Rock, I do agree with you, but as has been pointed out, the guy hasn't helped his own cause much... If anything he's driving this along as much as anyone else here.

and it is also your responsibility to do so the right way as a veteran hunter and I'm not saying you haven't.....I'm not saying Skinner hasn't either.

I feel like my comments towards one person are being broadened to everybody.

I don't mind you guys telling this guy its wrong.

I don't feel like a certain poster handles it the right way at all.

If your going to take on the role of veteran and responsible Stewards go ahead but that doesn't include childish internet name calling pissing matches 10 minutes later.

Tell the guy what he did wrong and the teach him how to do it right and do it like a leader should.

Probably so but he is not the one taking on the role of righteous leader here.

We will never know how this might have gone had it been approached in a more reasonable fashion. Him being wrong doesn't make what went on here right.

What we can be pretty sure of is nothing good happened this way.

is it possible to take away skinner's ability to post? the guy is obviously a troll

Lol!grow up little man.Yes im a troll thats why iv been here for years.