Can i hunt with this?
 

Hello everybody,

I just made 35# primitive bow (natural materials only),and i was wondering:can i kill whitetail from 15 yards with single shot,and can i hit it anywhere or vital organs only?

Thank you

State
 

Depends on the Laws of the State you wish to hunt in.

I know there is a minimum draw weight for archery in my state and the few other States I hunt. 35# is well below that number.

I just re-read your question, it had two parts.
Yes, you must hit vitals otherwise you are just wounding him.
I suggest you read up on hunting Whitetails and the game laws of your State.
Take a hunter safety course.

Read these pages, especially the Archery pages.

yea 35 isnt going to be legal everywhere. Could you...possibly depends on how much power your getting out of it. and what you were shooting for arrows. Small game and birds you got a heck of a bow.

No bow hunter can hit anywhere, and your vital organs are coverd with ribs and so its a chance you arrow ill hit perfect but id say more likly you would lose all your volocity at that low of weight hitting any bone and it wouldnt break a rib or go deep enough to do vital damage. min 45lbs of whitetale. 300 win mag you can hit anywhere still isnt ethical or sportman like.

In ny and pa,
35# is the legal minimum.
So yes you can.
But I would be wary with 35# on a deer,
First, not sure how game officials determine if your bow is legal if it comes up in the field.
Shots have to be precise and close.
Any mishap and your just injuring the deer.
If you don't fully draw it back, even off by an inch it will reduce the poundage.
Should check the bow weight often to make sure it maintains 35#.

35# bow I would use for small game and only use it on bigger game is rare oppurtunity arose.
I wouldn't make it a bow soley for deer.

And if i made 40# primitive bow,would that help at all?

my home state of NJ 35# is the lowest that one can hunt with

Could be again it depends on how much it slings the arrow not how much it takes to pull it back. The 35lb rule wasnt made for selfmade bows take it to your local bow shop and shoot a few arrows threw the FPS machine and tell us what it says.

Make sure You shoot a strong arrow too....too much pounage on the Bow and if You use weak homemade wooden arrows they could very well splinter and go threw the side of Your arm or wrist area....take that into consideration also!

Be careful making and using a Homemade Bow!


Most Arrows are rated...carbon arrows have ratings written on them,mine states 50/60 rating and a higher rating means You can set the pounage on Your Bow higher and that You can use that certain arrow up to so many pounds of pull You set Your Bow at!My Compound Bow is set at around 55 pounds so You need an Arrow rated at around 50/60....if I would turn the poundage up to 70lb Pull then I need to put my other arrows aside and buy arrows with a higher rating or chance having the smaller rated arrows break and splinter!

Be sure to always check Your Arrows before using them for any stress cracks or worn area's that may cause them to break also.

You are getting a lot of worthless information here. I still hunt with either my recurve or long bow and that is what I always used. I made a few self bows over the years and hunted with them. 35# is legal in my state. My recurve is only 40# and it has gotten a few deer for me. I would bump it up to 40# with some kind of backing or start over. Use 2 blade heads and take side shots through the lungs. I have had quite a few pass all the way through with a 40# bow. Never had a deer go over 65-70 yards that way. Don't bother going to a bow shop, they won't know what you are talking about anyway. Do some reading. "Can I kill whitetails with a single shot?" It would be a miracle if you got more than one shot.

"You are getting a lot of worthless information here."

Really! They are telling him to go up to 40#-45# to be assured he has enough weight to met the laws of about any state for deer and to make sure he has enough fps and energy to do the job. You have then expanded on that and advised what broadhead you think is best based on your experience. So what is all the worthless information?

Not legal here. 40# minimum.

Ok,
Thanks for answers and votes.
However i saw one video and i want you to tell me,could bow on that video kill deer from 15 yards?
Here is link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c5w20cFMIU

This bow looks like mine,only mine is slightly bigger.

its hard to tell but i'd say yes.

if you hunt with your bow limit yourself to shots 15 and under. I hunt with a compound and out of my 3 latest kills all have been under 15 yards.

-get good with it

- VERY sharp broadheads, 2 blade are preferred

- your arrow only needs about 5 inches of penetration to get a lung. a single lung shot will kill a deer

You are not getting useless information here.
However there is at least one useless idiot that gave you information.

Fast forward to your next interaction with a Conservation Officer. You have this bow in your hands. You have an Archery Hunting License, everything else about your activities are legal. Prove your bow is of mandatory draw weight.

If you cannot you have a problem.

have you ever seen a DEC guy measure draw weight? NEVERRRRRRRR !

Hunt away.

Yeah sure.
 

Hunt away? Really?!

Easy for you to say I guess. I prefer to limit my losses. Taking chances with the law is not something I entertain anymore.

I think most LEO encounter brand name equipment in the field. This piece is home made. If it even looks marginal he won't test it, he'll charge the guy with something and make him prove it's legal.

I think it's careless to offer flip advice to someone who seems new to the sport. If you want to take chances, you go right ahead. It's your a$$, not mine, nor the OP.

But hey, I always say it: YMMV.

How many times has a dec guy come across a custom made, marginally legal bow in the field?
I wouldn't want to be his first.

If I was the OP I would call dec or similar agency,
Tell them you want to keep it legal, just what he can do in case he gets approached by dec, ask them what they would look for.maybe all he needs is a receipt from a shop indicating its a 35# even if a shop charges for such, may be worth it..
Something I would consider.

That's exactly what I would do because I would want to know exactly what I had made so not only am I not guessing, but I can prove the draw weigth if asked by an Officer out in the field. CYA, as my old First Sergeant use to say!!!

This worries me. What did you have in mind with not hitting the deer in the vitals?

Don't worry guys,i will check draw weight at hunting store.

The answer to my question is?

Well,to be hones to all of you,i don't really want to hunt-all what i ask is because of pure curiosity.
Since i don't know almost nothing about hunting,i was wondering does hunters really must hit vital organs,or can they hit them etc. in center of torso.
I hope nobody is mad on me because i won't hunt,but i just wanted to know is my bow good enough for hunting.

So you posted the same question in two areas of the forum and don't even care what answer you got because you don't hunt?

Thats good to know. ;)

Know problem if you don't hunt and is curious,
With an arrow, your looking to kill the deer by bleeding,
Vitals is best way to do this,
And vitals is always aimed,
Yes you can kill a deer by missing the vitals,
But will take longer, and increases the chances of you losing the deer,
And increases the chances of you just injuring the deer.
So yes you can kill a deer by missing vitals, but its something hunters try very hard to avoid,
Practice and lots of practice, passing on shots that's deemed risky, buying and maintaining good equipment, is just some of the things hunters do.

Deppedy Doggs got it right
 

No matter who tells you anything on the internet it is your responsibility to know and apply the law. Dont let a keyboard lawyer set you up for failure. There are some guys who have made very good primative bows and have hunted the successfuly. I would suggest you look up Paleo Planet, lots of good information and the people there are a little more familure with homemade bows and can give you better guidence then people not shooting or building them reguarly.

Good luck

Niccum

My state does not even have a draw weight for deer or bear listed. Turkey is 35# for some reason. I have run into Game Wardens in the field and they were quite curious about the self bows but never asked poundage. I hunted in Maryland too with the same results. What do you goofballs think, that the draw weight is certified on the bow with a calibration sticker? Common markings on "Store bought" longbows and recurves is just writing on the bow with ink. A lot of assembly line woods were stamped with metal stamps into the wood.
Worry about the spine weight of an arrow? We are talking 35# here. Deputy Clown, I am one idiot that knows what he is talking about when it comes to old bows.

i've never looked in the book for it. I see your from PA also. I've heard many people say 35# is the minimum. I'm sure its somewhere in the regs, otherwise its an unspoken rule haha.

Not an unspoken rule,
It is listed in the regs, 35# for turkey/deer/bear. 45# for elk.
No min listed for small game.

I posted same question,because i couldn't find my first thread.
I tough it's deleted...
Anyway i care for each answer very much,because everybody on this forum is a hunter.

Yes your showing your intelligence..I can cut a piece of limb of a tree and tie a sting to both sides and call it a self made bow it may pull at 35lbs but depending on the limb im using it dosnt mean its going to shoot the arrow at enough speed to kill anything with it. SO without knowing what was used to build this "self made bow" its hard to say weather it will kill anything or not without understanding the velocity. You myfriend (Gunplummber) are the goofball and yes this is an opinion forum but passing bad advise only makes bad things happen. Please understand you playing keyboard lawyer, can have a bad effect on new hunters who take your word for the golden rule. Jurassic park did you check out the site I mentioned to you in my previose post?

Old bows are not self made bows so you have no idea what your talking about. Deputey Doggs again is in the right.

this is from 2011-12 regs for PA
Bow - A device for launching an arrow, which derives its propulsive energy
solely from the bending and recovery of two limbs. The energy used to
propel the arrow may not be derived from another source. These limitations
shall not exclude the mechanical leverage advantage provided by eccentric
wheels or cams so long as the energy stored in the bend limbs of the
bow is the sole result of a single, continuous and direct pulling effort by the
shooter. No track, trough, channel or other device capable of mechanically
holding the bow at full or partial draw shall be attached to the bow. The
bowstring must be drawn, held and released as a direct and conscious action
by the shooter. Release shall be accomplished by either relaxing the tension
of the fingers or triggering the release action of a manually held release aid.
Bow shall have a peak draw weight not less than 35 pounds.

I was correct. Goofballs. A "Self bow" is a bow made from a single piece of wood with no added backing. Now velocity determines poundage? Have either of you ever even shot a bow? Let the kid alone. At least he is trying to do something instead of playing video games.

Yes,i check it-minimal draw weight is 35#.

Check out PaleoPlanet.com our you can google it bud its got lots of awesome selfmade bows and people who are into doing it old way.
I love looking through there and seeing how awesome they are some of these self made bows are just pieces of art man.

Not all wood is created equal for purposes of archery, you can definatly make a primative bow to kill deer it depends on what you use and how you use it. This forum is awesome place but if you looking for help in the primative world you go to go to where the primative practitioners are. Id like to see your bow post some pics of it!:cool2:

I know for that forum,thanks,
I will also put pictures of bow in month or two because i don't have camera at the moment. :happy0001:

Hand made bow
 

Hey I'd like to see some pics of your bow too.

Be sure to come back when you have a few.

Gunplummer... when you start shaving, come back and [try to] insult me again.

Nic... gonna look up that PaleoPlanet.

DD
 

DD its pritty cool let me know what you think.

Alrighty I will wait, but dont make me wait to long! I just love primative set ups.

And you have to consider that when they set the minimun at 35 lbs they are banking on the fact of a compound bow with cams which will add fps to that bow which your's won't have. You could try it just afraid all you would be doing is wounding deer or worse killing it after a long bleed out in which you probably won't find it.

Like i said before,i don't planing to hunt.
Question that i ask was theoretical.