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Originally Posted by Ohboy
(Post 4014944)
wow you really have a bad taste in your mouth for dogs and dog hunting
Ohboy....answer me this.....Why isn't there Sunday Hunting in Va...??? |
As I have stated many times before, I don't want deer hunting with dogs to be banned. I think a ban on dog hunting would or could lead to other bans. However, I want things to be equal. The dog hunters should have to buy a special license to hunt big game like other hunters do, there should be minimum acre requirements for running dogs, and the season should be moved back until after the majority of the rut is over.
But here is what ticks me and others off about dog hunting and the VA Hunting Dog Alliance: www.americanhunter.org/blogs/VHDA-Sunday-Hunting/ |
VAhuntr.....Thanks for posting that article ....it's a good read and true...
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I honestly dont know why we cant hunt on sundays in va. I wish we could, and could only hunt on privately owned land and still hunt only. Id be out every sunday with my son hunting. But i wouldnt ever vote to ban hound hunting to have sunday hunting. See i guess with the club i hunt in i dont see the problems with our dogs going onto someone elses land and having these issues that others have. Our club hunts all private owned farm land and everything around it is a hunter who hunts with us. So if our dogs go out the hunt they are still on our land that we can hunt and have access to. Not sure where you are located at brewman but i understand your arguement and what you think should be done and i agree. I would be pissed if people were all over my land and didnt have permission to. i have a cattle gate up on the path so people cant just drive all over my paths and tear them up anymore, that pisses me off and i know where your coming from with it also. Really pisses me off when i see shotgun shells laying on the path where they came in our property and shot the deer, i have actually seen where they drug the deer down the path to the truck and then they had the nerve to clean the deer and left the carcus in our cutover right off the path. But that defenitly isnt how I hunt or anyone in our club do it. Yes i know of others that do this and i dont hunt with them clubs or go around them, they are the ones who you are cussing and they are the ones that will ruin the dog hunting.
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I am at work and do not have time to read through all 11 pages of post but I have to weigh in with my opinions. First off I am not going to say dog hunting is lazy because chasing dogs through the mountains I am sure is very hard work, but your taking the "hunt" out of hunting letting the dogs do the work for you. If I had a piece of hunting property that was my own land and I had dogs running on my property I would make sure those dogs left the property in a different manner than when they came on it (take that however you want). My dislike for dog hunters started when I was a teenager. I was hunting and had a bear come running through the woods and it tree'd twice but not allowing me shots. A little later the dogs come through (they were not allowed on this property) and the "hunters:rolleye0011:" soon followed. I talked with them and told them about the bear and how I tried getting a shot but was unsuccessful. Then they informed me that if I had shot the bear they would have taking turns kicking my a$$!!! I was a 16 year old kid!!! Now also being a 16 year old and seeing red they let out of there damn near as fast as the dogs (rifle season you put it together). I have had several arguements with dog hunters over the years and they all ended up running off behind there dogs because they were #1 trespassing #2 didn't want to face the consequences of a highly irrate 300 lb man with a loaded rifle;). Now to get a little more serious and down to how I really feel if you ain't figured it out yet. I know all dog hunters aren't bad people but I have yet to ever meet one who cared about property boundries! I don't like dog hunters (outside of bird or coon hunting) I never will like dog hunting whether it be deer or bear hunting. If you wanna kill a deer or bear then get off your a$$, stop letting the dogs do the work for you, and learn to hunt like a real hunter! My opinions only, I just had to let em out:wink:
Forgot to add....I don't want dog hunting banned because I feel it would allow other bans to take place and I am sure there are decent dog hunters out there I just haven't met any. It just isn't my cup of tea..... |
Originally Posted by early in
(Post 4008980)
Not in Pa. A loose dog chasing a deer get's shot legally.
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Originally Posted by brewman555
(Post 4014960)
No...I just have respect for other people's property rights....I don't trespass.....I will knock on your door and ask permission to come on your land if I shoot a deer and it's somewhere on your land.....Its not right to cross property lines just because your dog has.....just wait for them to come back out or come and get them after legal hunting hours are over....that away at least the doggers won't make it any worse for the stand hunter......
Ohboy....answer me this.....Why isn't there Sunday Hunting in Va...??? |
Originally Posted by Ohboy
(Post 4014975)
I honestly dont know why we cant hunt on sundays in va. I wish we could, and could only hunt on privately owned land and still hunt only. Id be out every sunday with my son hunting. But i wouldnt ever vote to ban hound hunting to have sunday hunting. See i guess with the club i hunt in i dont see the problems with our dogs going onto someone elses land and having these issues that others have. Our club hunts all private owned farm land and everything around it is a hunter who hunts with us. So if our dogs go out the hunt they are still on our land that we can hunt and have access to. Not sure where you are located at brewman but i understand your arguement and what you think should be done and i agree. I would be pissed if people were all over my land and didnt have permission to. i have a cattle gate up on the path so people cant just drive all over my paths and tear them up anymore, that pisses me off and i know where your coming from with it also. Really pisses
me off when i see shotgun shells laying on the path where they came in our property and shot the deer, i have actually seen where they drug the deer down the path to the truck and then they had the nerve to clean the deer and left the carcus in our cutover right off the path. But that defenitly isnt how I hunt or anyone in our club do it. Yes i know of others that do this and i dont hunt with them clubs or go around them, they are the ones who you are cussing and they are the ones that will ruin the dog hunting. |
Originally Posted by Jim Burns
(Post 4014987)
Its because of all of the bible thumpers, not because of the hound hunters. Virginia is part of the bible belt.
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Originally Posted by shooter50
(Post 4014980)
I am at work and do not have time to read through all 11 pages of post but I have to weigh in with my opinions. First off I am not going to say dog hunting is lazy because chasing dogs through the mountains I am sure is very hard work, but your taking the "hunt" out of hunting letting the dogs do the work for you. If I had a piece of hunting property that was my own land and I had dogs running on my property I would make sure those dogs left the property in a different manner than when they came on it (take that however you want). My dislike for dog hunters started when I was a teenager. I was hunting and had a bear come running through the woods and it tree'd twice but not allowing me shots. A little later the dogs come through (they were not allowed on this property) and the "hunters:rolleye0011:" soon followed. I talked with them and told them about the bear and how I tried getting a shot but was unsuccessful. Then they informed me that if I had shot the bear they would have taking turns kicking my a$$!!! I was a 16 year old kid!!! Now also being a 16 year old and seeing red they let out of there damn near as fast as the dogs (rifle season you put it together). I have had several arguements with dog hunters over the years and they all ended up running off behind there dogs because they were #1 trespassing #2 didn't want to face the consequences of a highly irrate 300 lb man with a loaded rifle;). Now to get a little more serious and down to how I really feel if you ain't figured it out yet. I know all dog hunters aren't bad people but I have yet to ever meet one who cared about property boundries! I don't like dog hunters (outside of bird or coon hunting) I never will like dog hunting whether it be deer or bear hunting. If you wanna kill a deer or bear then get off your a$$, stop letting the dogs do the work for you, and learn to hunt like a real hunter! My opinions only, I just had to let em out:wink:
Forgot to add....I don't want dog hunting banned because I feel it would allow other bans to take place and I am sure there are decent dog hunters out there I just haven't met any. It just isn't my cup of tea..... As far as a unfair advantage of shooting a defensless bear out of a tree, what is the difference in you being in a tree and shooting a deffensless animal on the ground. When you look at it, all hunting is a unfair advantage, the animals arnt armed, they are not aware they are being hunted, when they are being pursued by hounds they know they are being hunted. Is it fair to use a high powered rifle with a tactical scope to shoot a deer at 500 yards that is enjoying a day in the feild eating grass? If you want to make it fair build your own bow, chip your own arrowheads, spot a buck run out there and yell at it and then go hunt it. Now you are on a level playing field, the animal is aware you are out to kill it. Now that would be fair hunting wouldnt it? How about hireing a guide? That is a unfair advantage, you are using the skills of the guide to find you a animal, you arnt using your huinting skills. Hey this arguement on a fair way of hunting can go on and on, just like the antis like to do to it, they put hunters against each other. The oldest tactic in the books, divide and conquer. I wouldnt be supprised if a majority of the people on here that are spouting this crap wernt antis, with a agenda. |
Brewman in all honesty, why cant we hunt on sundays in va? I have heard cause its a day of peace and quiet? I would love sunday hunting with a bow only, that would be awesome. I love bowhunting and having the deer that close. I bow hunt until general firearms opens which is the 2nd weekend in nov. normally, then its on to dog hunting and i still go still hunting on my land but its only on weekdays or holidays.
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It doesnt have anything to do with the houndsmen. I have some friends that live in West Virginia, they also own property in north Idaho. They spend Idaho bear season at there Idaho home, when I am up there I hunt with these guys, they dont hunt on sundays either. Idaho you CAN hunt sundays but they dont, it is because of religious beliefs not because any law, the are from West Virginia and are very religious, that is the way they are.
http://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs/...ay-hunting-ban If you look into it most of the states in the bible belt dont allow hunting, its a religion thing! |
found this online and thought it was interesting but i think several are true, id like to hunt my own land on sunday and i work at a ford dealer m-f 7-5, i really only have the weekends to hunt also, like many other working men and women. But like i have read and heard, sunday hunting wouldnt last long cause the religious beliefs. What i believe is, if its legal dont get mad at it cause you dont do it!
http://www.virginiasundayhunting.org/ http://www.virginiasundayhunting.org...%2BReasons.pdf |
Originally Posted by Ohboy
(Post 4015001)
Brewman in all honesty, why cant we hunt on sundays in va? I have heard cause its a day of peace and quiet? I would love sunday hunting with a bow only, that would be awesome. I love bowhunting and having the deer that close. I bow hunt until general firearms opens which is the 2nd weekend in nov. normally, then its on to dog hunting and i still go still hunting on my land but its only on weekdays or holidays.
Go to their web site. vahda.org/ and click on News at the top of the page.....then scroll down to Senate bill 868 defeated and click on The PDF ...they have 7 reasons.... # 2 is my favorite ....a day of rest ... BUT it's ok to look for your LOST dogs and Game animals..... How is looking for lost dogs resting...?????? They are a bunch of hypocrites.... If someone doesn't want to hunt on Sunday fine.... Just don't stop me or any other hunter from hunting on Sunday if we want to.... I hope someday soon you and your son can hunt on Sunday along with the rest of Virginias hunters.... |
Originally Posted by brewman555
(Post 4015013)
There's no Sunday Hunting in VA because the VAHDA opposes it...and right now they have the power by voting for those people who decide if we have Sunday Hunting or not....
Go to their web site. vahda.org/ and click on News at the top of the page.....then scroll down to Senate bill 868 defeated and click on The PDF ...they have 7 reasons.... # 2 is my favorite ....a day of rest ... BUT it's ok to look for your LOST dogs and Game animals..... How is looking for lost dogs resting...?????? They are a bunch of hypocrites.... If someone doesn't want to hunt on Sunday fine.... Just don't stop me or any other hunter from hunting on Sunday if we want to.... I hope someday soon you and your son can hunt on Sunday along with the rest of Virginias hunters.... As I stated before it is a religion thing, what part of this dont you under stand? Here I will post it so everyone can see that you are talking out of your butt. "The Virginia Hunting Dog Alliance has adopted a position opposing hunting on Sunday for many reasons. It is first and foremost an expression of the vast majority of our membership, even though all may not subscribe to all of the stated reasons in this paper. 1. The first and foremost reason is our faith. The Fourth Commandment is reason enough to oppose hunting on Sunday. "Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. 1 We also recognize that the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. 2. We believe that all can use a day of rest. It is a time to recover and reflect. You may look for lost dogs or game animals, declared by the law to be hunting, but the retrieval of lost sheep is consistent with the gospel. We believe that the hunted also benefit from the day of rest. 3. We believe landowners want a day to rest. To enjoy the quiet of their property, absent their guests of the rest of the week, no matter how welcome they may be at other times. Sunday is a day of reflection. 4. We believe that even the most supportive families would benefit from this positive statement of family values. 5. Other outdoor users appreciate a day to themselves. Without this day, they may turn against the selfish hunters who demand hunting on Sunday and place all hunting at risk. Remember all hunting is not done on large private tracts. 6. Virginia has the most generous limits on deer kill of any state in the nation. No hunter, no matter how they plead otherwise, is so deprived as not to be able to find an opportunity to hunt during the long seasons. We acknowledge that some of our number have a limited number of vacation days, but believe that resulting public opinion would inescapably be negative, and give antihunters a big hammer to bludgeon us with. 7. Modern wildlife management bases its hunting seasons on range carrying capacities, species reproductive rates and mortality rates. One significant factor in determining any hunting season is the number of animals harvested by hunters. The number of animals harvested by hunters is determined by man-days a field times the success rate. Most studies have shown that typically 40% of total man-hours of hunting occur on Saturday. The addition of Sunday would be certain to require the eventual adjustment of the seasons for most if not all species that are hunted. This would result in the eventual shortening of the hunting season. The Virginia Hunting Dog Alliance acknowledges that hunters are coming to Virginia from other areas having Sunday hunting. Many areas allow other practices that have also long been against the law in Virginia such as hunting over bait and hunting big game animals in small enclosures. We see no reason to support hunting on Sunday in the Commonwealth of Virginia at this time." |
Originally Posted by Jim Burns
(Post 4015016)
Your own Quote says lost dogs AND GAME ANIMALS, so you have as much right to recover a shot animal on sunday as a hound hunter has to retrive a lost dog. So exactly how does this law benifit a hound hunter more than any other hunter?
." It doesn't say "after you recover your game animal you can go hunting again"..... Like I said...#2 a day of rest....looking for your dog is not resting..... Hypocrites... |
Originally Posted by brewman555
(Post 4015021)
What does that have to do with hunting on Sunday...?????
It doesn't say "after you recover your game animal you can go hunting again"..... Like I said...#2 a day of rest....looking for your dog is not resting..... Hypocrites... |
Originally Posted by Jim Burns
(Post 4014998)
You should not shoot a bear out of a tree under dogs that arnt yours, because when you shoot a bear in the tree you need to have the dogs tied back in a safe area in case the bear comes out and attacks the dogs. You would have been jeapordizing that mans hounds by not knowing what you were doing. Now agred they shouldnt have threatened you but you haver no business shooting any animal over someone elses dogs.
As far as a unfair advantage of shooting a defensless bear out of a tree, what is the difference in you being in a tree and shooting a deffensless animal on the ground. When you look at it, all hunting is a unfair advantage, the animals arnt armed, they are not aware they are being hunted, when they are being pursued by hounds they know they are being hunted. Is it fair to use a high powered rifle with a tactical scope to shoot a deer at 500 yards that is enjoying a day in the feild eating grass? If you want to make it fair build your own bow, chip your own arrowheads, spot a buck run out there and yell at it and then go hunt it. Now you are on a level playing field, the animal is aware you are out to kill it. Now that would be fair hunting wouldnt it? How about hireing a guide? That is a unfair advantage, you are using the skills of the guide to find you a animal, you arnt using your huinting skills. Hey this arguement on a fair way of hunting can go on and on, just like the antis like to do to it, they put hunters against each other. The oldest tactic in the books, divide and conquer. I wouldnt be supprised if a majority of the people on here that are spouting this crap wernt antis, with a agenda. I would have loved to have shot that bear and it had came down and attacked their dogs! If you unable to control your dogs and keep them off of posted property than so be it.....your loss. Maybe I would have got the pleasure of finishing a few of them off:D And I will do it tomorrow if a bear is tree'd in front of me. I am not a bear hunter. I have shot a bear and have a 1/2 mount hanging on my wall. I have no desire to ever kill another, but I would if one was tree'd up in front of me with a bunch of barking mutts ruining my day afield. I have no sympathy for dog hunters or there dogs. Also I don't use a treestand I like being ground level with the deer or turkey's I am pursuing. It adds more to the hunt for me knowing I am ground level in the same line of sight and not to mention trying to beat a deer's nose. I also don't shoot 500 yards. I hunt thickets on rock slate ridden ridges where I am lucky to get a 50 yard shot, generally lucky to get a 30 yard shot. And as far as hiring a guide......I am the guide......hell if any of you dog hunters want to learn how to hunt come on up to Va and I will guide ya lol. And to finish off my rant I am no anti either. I love the sport of deer hunting.....it is my life. There is no law or legestlation that would ever stop me from doing it. As I said before and nothing will sway my opinion....outside of bird, coon, hell even rabbit hunting dogs are not needed unless you don't have the drive and ability to get out and hunt....not just to kill. You have hunters and killers....if you use dogs to "hunt" bear or deer you are a killer....Plain and simple. But hey....to each his own. |
Originally Posted by shooter50
(Post 4015031)
I would have loved to have shot that bear and it had came down and attacked their dogs! If you unable to control your dogs and keep them off of posted property than so be it.....your loss. Maybe I would have got the pleasure of finishing a few of them off:D And I will do it tomorrow if a bear is tree'd in front of me. I am not a bear hunter. I have shot a bear and have a 1/2 mount hanging on my wall. I have no desire to ever kill another, but I would if one was tree'd up in front of me with a bunch of barking mutts ruining my day afield. I have no sympathy for dog hunters or there dogs. Also I don't use a treestand I like being ground level with the deer or turkey's I am pursuing. It adds more to the hunt for me knowing I am ground level in the same line of sight and not to mention trying to beat a deer's nose. I also don't shoot 500 yards. I hunt thickets on rock slate ridden ridges where I am lucky to get a 50 yard shot, generally lucky to get a 30 yard shot. And as far as hiring a guide......I am the guide......hell if any of you dog hunters want to learn how to hunt come on up to Va and I will guide ya lol. And to finish off my rant I am no anti either. I love the sport of deer hunting.....it is my life. There is no law or legestlation that would ever stop me from doing it. As I said before and nothing will sway my opinion....outside of bird, coon, hell even rabbit hunting dogs are not needed unless you don't have the drive and ability to get out and hunt....not just to kill. You have hunters and killers....if you use dogs to "hunt" bear or deer you are a killer....Plain and simple. But hey....to each his own.
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Coon hunting because they only (for the most part) come out at night. So you gotta tree them and hit them with the light to see them. And it's small game.....who gives a flip how you hunt them. Dog hunters can shoot them all for all I care they don't peoples freezers in the fall who depend on it. Hell I will throw in squirrels too.
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Originally Posted by shooter50
(Post 4015034)
Coon hunting because they only (for the most part) come out at night. So you gotta tree them and hit them with the light to see them. And it's small game.....who gives a flip how you hunt them. Dog hunters can shoot them all for all I care they don't peoples freezers in the fall who depend on it. Hell I will throw in squirrels too.
Next time you think about shooting someones dogs, you might want to concider this. This is off a link you ought to read about hound hunting. http://www.responsivemanagement.com/...ech_Report.pdf "Economic Values Unique to Hound-Hunting Quantifying economic impact of hound-hunting is complicated due to a lack of specific data on financial investments and expenses incurred by hunters. Hound-hunters purchase special equipment, in addition to purchasing and maintaining hunting hounds. The purchase, sale, training, and maintenance of hounds require large investments of time and money (Elowe 1990). In Vermont, bear dogs were valued as high as $3,000 to $5,000 each 30 years ago (Willey 1980)." And you wander why those guys wanted to take turns kicking your butt? I think I would have done the same. Hound hunters invest more in there time, equipment and dogs than most people do in 10-15 years of hunting. They encounter people like you and then people wander why hound hunters have a bad attitude towards others. Go figure!!! |
Originally Posted by Jim Burns
(Post 4015022)
Does it say after you find your dog you can go hunting? Maybe Im missing something or just maybe you are full of crap. I guess if you have lost dogs or wounded game you should wait till monday to find them. Give me a break!!!
As I said....how is that resting on Sunday if your out in the woods walking around looking for your lost dogs...hypocrites...... Now if you can't understand that then you have a reading comprehension problem...... |
Originally Posted by Jim Burns
(Post 4014998)
As far as a unfair advantage of shooting a defensless bear out of a tree, what is the difference in you being in a tree and shooting a deffensless animal on the ground. When you look at it, all hunting is a unfair advantage, the animals arnt armed, they are not aware they are being hunted, when they are being pursued by hounds they know they are being hunted...If you want to make it fair build your own bow, chip your own arrowheads, spot a buck run out there and yell at it and then go hunt it. Now you are on a level playing field, the animal is aware you are out to kill it.
You think VHDA members aren't out fishing on Sundays in the spring and summer? LOL!! They want Sundays to recover their dogs, and they don't want others hunting while their busy doing it! |
Originally Posted by brewman555
(Post 4015042)
You are missing something.....THE POINT...Sunday Hunting...you CAN'T do it in VA..... And the VAHDA a DOG HUNTING ORGANIZATION is AGAINST IT.....They say SUNDAY is A DAY OF REST.......but you CAN LOOK FOR LOST DOGS ON SUNDAY.....
As I said....how is that resting on Sunday if your out in the woods walking around looking for your lost dogs...hypocrites...... Now if you can't understand that then you have a reading comprehension problem...... membership, even though all may not subscribe to all of the stated reasons in this paper. 1. The first and foremost reason is our faith. The Fourth Commandment is reason enough to oppose hunting on Sunday. |
Originally Posted by Jim Burns
(Post 4015045)
It is first and foremost an expression of the vast majority of our
membership, even though all may not subscribe to all of the stated reasons in this paper. 1. The first and foremost reason is our faith. The Fourth Commandment is reason enough to oppose hunting on Sunday. Your attitude is why many hunters that don't use dogs want to ban dog hunting..... Sunday Hunting will happen in Virginia..... |
Originally Posted by 7.62NATO
(Post 4015043)
Absolutely absurd. Not surprising from someone who said they've never been able to sneak up on a deer. Can't prove you said it because you deleted it from the "Wading a creek" thread.
You think VHDA members aren't out fishing on Sundays in the spring and summer? LOL!! They want Sundays to recover their dogs, and they don't want others hunting while their busy doing it! |
Originally Posted by brewman555
(Post 4015048)
So don't go hunting on Sunday.....Just don't STOP me and everyone else that wants to......
Your attitude is why many hunters that don't use dogs want to ban dog hunting..... Sunday Hunting will happen in Virginia..... |
JB keeps on going back and forth. First he would shoot anyone that shoots his dog. The context there was largely a response to those talking about dogs trespassing on their own property. Then he changed it and said he would shoot someone for shooting his dogs on property he has access to hunt (because that makes it OK). Then he said it would be a choice between bullet and an ass whooping.
I believe somewhere in these 15 pages he said he respects property rights. But now he says Shooter50 didn't have a right to kill that bear that was treed on his own property. And again, it's about money. You see, those trespassing dog hunters have more rights than the property owner whose land they are trespassing upon. Because their dogs and equipment cost a lot. |
Originally Posted by Jim Burns
(Post 4015040)
Really? So you approve of hunting at night with a light.
Next time you think about shooting someones dogs, you might want to concider this. This is off a link you ought to read about hound hunting. http://www.responsivemanagement.com/...ech_Report.pdf "Economic Values Unique to Hound-Hunting Quantifying economic impact of hound-hunting is complicated due to a lack of specific data on financial investments and expenses incurred by hunters. Hound-hunters purchase special equipment, in addition to purchasing and maintaining hunting hounds. The purchase, sale, training, and maintenance of hounds require large investments of time and money (Elowe 1990). In Vermont, bear dogs were valued as high as $3,000 to $5,000 each 30 years ago (Willey 1980)." And you wander why those guys wanted to take turns kicking your butt? I think I would have done the same. Hound hunters invest more in there time, equipment and dogs than most people do in 10-15 years of hunting. They encounter people like you and then people wander why hound hunters have a bad attitude towards others. Go figure!!! What about my valuable vacation time I take from work when I could have used it any time during the year and I wait all year to use it it November and my day is ruined by dog hunters? And if your stupid enough to spend $5k for a dog than you deserve to be shot yourself because those genes don't need to get passed along! And what you still have to train the dog, buy equipment, spend time, and feed the bastard??? for $5K it should beable to do more than chase a bear or deer.....It should be able to pour me a glass of tea and type this message for me! And yes for coon hunting you hunt at night with a light....common practice.....small game animal.....different than bear or deer hunting and don't say it is the same as it is not. I would be willing to bet small game hunters "only" make up less than 15% of the general hunter population in VA. Also that was not the only time a "group" of dog hunters threatened me in the mountains, but I can assure you none of them attempted anything because they knew what they were going to get :hit: of course holding a loaded rifle may have persuaded them as well. I run into hunters all the time in the woods. We shoot the breeze and share stories even if we walk up on one another and even if it makes you mad you just get over it. Dog hunters get all bent out of shape when I attempt to inform them they are hunting private land and they need to get off the property and then I have to hear the same ole stories I have heard plenty of times. Thats when I have to inform them I am calling the game warden (land owners rules-not mine) and then the threats start. And then after my mouth starts running they end up running away with their tails tucked between there legs lol. Kind of like there dogs! |
Originally Posted by 7.62NATO
(Post 4015052)
JB keeps on going back and forth. First he would shoot anyone that shoots his dog. The context there was largely a response to those talking about dogs trespassing on their own property. Then he changed it and said he would shoot someone for shooting his dogs on property he has access to hunt (because that makes it OK). Then he said it would be a choice between bullet and an ass whooping.
I believe somewhere in these 15 pages he said he respects property rights. But now he says Shooter50 didn't have a right to kill that bear that was treed on his own property. And again, it's about money. You see, those trespassing dog hunters have more rights than the property owner whose land they are trespassing upon. Because their dogs and equipment cost a lot. |
Originally Posted by Jim Burns
(Post 4015051)
And when they ban hound hunting they will be comeing after your way next, and me and alot of other hound hunters will be on there side, obviously you are siding with the antis.. so if we cant hunt our way neither will you. Get it?
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Originally Posted by Jim Burns
(Post 4015051)
And when they ban hound hunting they will be comeing after your way next, and me and alot of other hound hunters will be on there side, obviously you are siding with the antis.. so if we cant hunt our way neither will you. Get it?
I am not sure I want it banned. Certainly not for rabbits, coons and the like. But my frequent run-ins with it and the hunters behind it have really made me want to consider something I really didn't want to before: bowhunting. But if that's what I need to do to avoid a style of hunting that foists itself upon everyone in the vicinity, so be it. |
Originally Posted by brewman555
(Post 4015055)
The VAHDA is against Sunday Hunting....so is PETA and USHS ect...so it looks like YOUR standing with the ANTIS already and your not smart enough to know it or just don't care....
I wish I had caught that lol! |
Originally Posted by Jim Burns
(Post 4015049)
And this coming from someone that is asking people on the internet how to get a deer? I tagged out this year, how about you? Obviously not or you wouldnt be asking dumb questions and using hound hunters as a excuse why so are eating tag soup this year. I did kill a big buck this year, and without hounds, just like I have been doing for the last 30+ years. ;)
I've killed two bucks this season, each within 15 yards of me on the ground, one while still hunting. And have passed on several. I dunno about Florida, but we get 6 tags in VA. I have no need to tag out. But this doesn't change the fact that you said you've never been able to sneak up on a deer. And you've been hunting a whole lot longer than me, LOL! |
Originally Posted by 7.62NATO
(Post 4015062)
I did what? I asked someone how to get a deer? Hmmmm. Nope. I asked if anyone has ever hunted via wading a creek. And yeah, I'm not too proud to ask for advice when about to do something I've never done before.
I've killed two bucks this season, each within 15 yards of me on the ground, one while still hunting. And have passed on several. I dunno about Florida, but we get 6 tags in VA. I have no need to tag out. But this doesn't change the fact that you said you've never been able to sneak up on a deer. And you've been hunting a whole lot longer than me, LOL! |
Your sunday hunting has been brought up many times in the past 15-16 years, it has been defeated every time by the MAJORITY of the people in Vurginia not just by the houndsmen associaition which votes also by the majority of its members.
“We killed that 7-0.” Edmunds, an avid hunter, has nonetheless stated his opposition to Sunday hunting “People in rural Virginia especially recognize [Sunday] as a day of peace, and hunters who hunt in that area didn’t want it,” Edmunds said. “It’s been up before us the past 15-16 years, and it’s died every year.” Virginia is one of 11 states that prohibit hunting on Sundays, and rural-based organizations such as Virginia Farm Bureau have stated their opposition to Sunday hunting. The VAHDA didnt become a oranization until 1991, so how can you blame them for not hunting on sunday? I beleive this law has been arround way longer than the VAHDA. |
Originally Posted by Jim Burns
(Post 4015083)
Your sunday hunting has been brought up many times in the past 15-16 years, it has been defeated every time by the MAJORITY of the people in Vurginia not just by the houndsmen associaition which votes also by the majority of its members.
“We killed that 7-0.” Edmunds, an avid hunter, has nonetheless stated his opposition to Sunday hunting “People in rural Virginia especially recognize [Sunday] as a day of peace, and hunters who hunt in that area didn’t want it,” Edmunds said. “It’s been up before us the past 15-16 years, and it’s died every year.” Virginia is one of 11 states that prohibit hunting on Sundays, and rural-based organizations such as Virginia Farm Bureau have stated their opposition to Sunday hunting. The VAHDA didnt become a oranization until 1991, so how can you blame them for not hunting on sunday? I beleive this law has been arround way longer than the VAHDA. WAIT....SUNDAYS A DAY OF REST..... And you can also HUNT on Licensed Shooting Preserves ON SUNDAYS..... WAIT.....THERES NO SUNDAY HUNTING.... Looks like YOU and the people that don't want Sunday Hunting are either stupid and don't realize that hunting is already taking place and that the doggers are out on Sundays running their dogs chasing bears or your ALL just a bunch of hypocrites ...... |
Originally Posted by brewman555
(Post 4015100)
Since you seem to know so much about hunting in VA....did you know you can chase bear in VA from Aug 11 through Sept 29....and that INCLUDES SUNDAYS.....
WAIT....SUNDAYS A DAY OF REST..... And you can also HUNT on Licensed Shooting Preserves ON SUNDAYS..... WAIT.....THERES NO SUNDAY HUNTING.... Looks like YOU and the people that don't want Sunday Hunting are either stupid and don't realize that hunting is already taking place and that the doggers are out on Sundays running their dogs chasing bears or your ALL just a bunch of hypocrites ...... Here is a copy of the code, maybe I missed something. Unlawful to hunt, trap, possess, sell or transport wild birds andwild animals except as permitted; exception; penalty. A. The following shall be unlawful: 1. To hunt or kill any wild bird or wild animal, including any nuisancespecies, with a gun, firearm or other weapon on Sunday, which is herebydeclared a rest day for all species of wild bird and wild animal life, exceptraccoons, which may be hunted until 2:00 a.m. on Sunday mornings. However, aperson lawfully carrying a gun, firearm or other weapon on Sunday in an areathat could be used for hunting shall not be presumed to be hunting on Sunday,absent evidence to the contrary. 2. To destroy or molest the nest, eggs, dens or young of any wild bird orwild animal, except nuisance species, at any time without a permit asrequired by law. 3. To hunt or attempt to kill or trap any species of wild bird or wild animalafter having obtained the daily bag or season limit during such day orseason. However, any properly licensed person, or a person exempt from havingto obtain a license, who has obtained such daily bag or season limit whilehunting may assist others who are hunting game by calling game, retrievinggame, handling dogs, or conducting drives if the weapon in his possession isan unloaded firearm, a bow without a nocked arrow or an unloaded crossbow.Any properly licensed person, or person exempt from having to obtain alicense, who has obtained such season limit prior to commencement of the huntmay assist others who are hunting game by calling game, retrieving game,handling dogs, or conducting drives, provided he does not have a firearm, bowor crossbow in his possession. 4. To knowingly occupy any baited blind or other baited place for the purposeof taking or attempting to take any wild bird or wild animal or to put outbait or salt for any wild bird or wild animal for the purpose of taking orkilling them. There shall be a rebuttable presumption that a person chargedwith violating this subdivision knows that he is occupying a baited blind orother baited place for the purpose of taking or attempting to take any wildbird or wild animal. However, this shall not apply to baiting nuisancespecies of animals and birds, or to baiting traps for the purpose of takingfur-bearing animals that may be lawfully trapped. 5. To kill or capture any wild bird or wild animal adjacent to any area whilea field or forest fire is in progress. 6. To shoot or attempt to take any wild bird or wild animal from anautomobile or other vehicle, except as provided in 29.1-521.3. 7. To set a trap of any kind on the lands or waters of another withoutattaching to the trap the name and address of the trapper. 8. To set a trap where it would be likely to injure persons, dogs, stock orfowl. 9. To fail to visit all traps once each day and remove all animals caught,and immediately report to the landowner as to stock, dogs or fowl that arecaught and the date. However, the Director or his designee may authorizeemployees of federal, state, and local government agencies, and personsholding a valid Commercial Nuisance Animal Permit issued by the Department,to visit conibear-style body-gripping traps that are completely submerged atleast once every 72 hours. 10. To hunt, trap, take, capture, kill, attempt to take, capture or kill,possess, deliver for transportation, transport, cause to be transported, byany means whatever, receive for transportation or export, or import, at anytime or in any manner, any wild bird or wild animal or the carcass or anypart thereof, except as specifically permitted by law and only by the manneror means and within the numbers stated. However, the provisions of thissection shall not be construed to prohibit the (i) use or transportation oflegally taken turkey carcasses, or portions thereof, for the purposes ofmaking or selling turkey callers or (ii) the manufacture or sale ofimplements, including, but not limited to, tools or utensils, made fromlegally harvested deer skeletal parts, including antlers. 11. To offer for sale, sell, offer to purchase, or purchase, at any time orin any manner, any wild bird or wild animal or the carcass or any partthereof, except as specifically permitted by law, including, but not limitedto, subsection D of 29.1-553. However, any nonprofit organization exemptfrom taxation under 501 (c) (3) of the Internal Revenue Code, which is (i)organized to provide wild game as food to the hungry and (ii) authorized bythe Department to possess, transport and distribute donated or unclaimed meatto the hungry, may pay a processing fee in order to obtain such meat. Suchfees shall not exceed the actual cost for processing the meat. In addition,any nonprofit organization exempt from taxation under 501 (c) (3) of theInternal Revenue Code, that is (a) organized to support wildlife habitatconservation and (b) approved by the Department, shall be allowed to offerwildlife mounts that have undergone the taxidermy process for sale inconjunction with fundraising activities. A violation of this subdivisionshall be punishable as provided in 29.1-553. B. Notwithstanding any other provision of this article, any American Indian,who produces verification that he is an enrolled member of a tribe recognizedby the Commonwealth, another state or the U.S. government, may possess, offerfor sale or sell to another American Indian, or offer to purchase or purchasefrom another American Indian, parts of legally obtained fur-bearing animals,nonmigratory game birds, and game animals, except bear. Such legally obtainedparts shall include antlers, hooves, feathers, claws and bones. "Verification" as used in this section shall include, but is not limitedto, (i) showing a valid tribal identification card, (ii) confirmation througha central tribal registry, (iii) a letter from a tribal chief or council, or(iv) certification from a tribal office that the person is an enrolled memberof the tribe. C. A violation of subdivisions 1 through 10 of subsection A of this sectionshall be punishable as a Class 3 misdemeanor. (Code 1950, 29-143; 1962, c. 469; 1974, c. 302; 1979, c. 264; 1987, c. 488;1988, c. 175; 1989, c. 421; 1990, c. 237; 1994, cc. 244, 436; 1997, c. 249;1998, c. 415; 2000, c. 13; 2001, cc. 26, 60; 2004, c. 862; 2005, cc. 170,533, 534; 2006, cc. 20, 215.) The first laws regulating public activities on Sundays were passed in colonial Virginia in the 1620s. Similar laws intended to keep the Sabbath holy were soon adopted elsewhere in America. It had nthing to do with hound hunting, if you dont like them get organized and do something about it. Thats the difference with regular hunters and hound hunters, hound hunters are a organized group that does something instead of whining about it. |
Look under general information.....Page 19 ....UNLAWFUL METHODS.....
It is unlawful to : Hunt wild birds and wild animals with firearms or other weapons on Sunday....EXCEPT on a licensed shooting preserve. Like I said you can hunt on Sundays....and run dogs on Sundays chasing bear....so I guess it's not a day day of rest after all...... |
Originally Posted by Jim Burns
(Post 4015083)
Your sunday hunting has been brought up many times in the past 15-16 years, it has been defeated every time by the MAJORITY of the people in Vurginia not just by the houndsmen associaition which votes also by the majority of its members.
“We killed that 7-0.” Edmunds, an avid hunter, has nonetheless stated his opposition to Sunday hunting “People in rural Virginia especially recognize [Sunday] as a day of peace, and hunters who hunt in that area didn’t want it,” Edmunds said. “It’s been up before us the past 15-16 years, and it’s died every year.” Virginia is one of 11 states that prohibit hunting on Sundays, and rural-based organizations such as Virginia Farm Bureau have stated their opposition to Sunday hunting. The VAHDA didnt become a oranization until 1991, so how can you blame them for not hunting on sunday? I beleive this law has been arround way longer than the VAHDA. And yes, you can hunt in VA on Sunday if you hunt on a licensed shooting preserve. You just can't hunt on your own property. How much durn sense does that make? |
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