Lets get real
 

I'm from CT, born and raised.
Moved to Virginia then Maryland in my teen years.

Grew to love hunting thru my Grampa in NH.

Friends took me to King George Hunt Club in King George Co. VA. yeah, it was a little weird but I came to love hunting over dogs.

All this bravado/talk about shooting a dog or one another is bullsh!t.

A human life is not worth that of a dog so get real. No one wants to shoot a dog, damnit, you can't eat the bugger. Would you mount a dog??

Come on people, you know what you'd do and what you WOULDN'T do out there.

Years ago, Market hunters would shoot rafts of ducks on the Chesapeake and Delaware Waters and it was legal and customary. Now, it is not so but that doesn't mean that it was wrong. Just not accepted now.

Dog hunting for deer in the swampy areas of the south was and is just the way it's done. When you're gunning for meat, that was the way to get a lot for your community. Everyone shares the kill in the Hunt Club I hunted with. I reckon that is so everywhere.

Maybe not what you're accustomed to but don't bash what you have no intelligence on. You show your ignorance doing that.

My $.02

A statement like that is insane. Again, I wouldn't shoot a mans hunting dogs, but a lot of hunters will. Just make sure you keep your dogs off other peoples property so you never run into that problem. If your dogs run through other properties, that's your fault, and to say you would shoot someone on their own property because of a dog is just plain crazy. How does 2nd degree murder sound? A human life for a dogs life, unbelievable.

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I love still hunting and i also love hunting with dogs and i have to say, i hope deer hunting with dogs never goes away in VA. Id rather never hunt a sunday than to lose hunting with dogs.

you want to do something on sundays, go fishing!

When ya hunt deer with dogs, that's telling me you can't kill them with stealth. That's not "hunting" as far as I'm concerned. :nonono2:

I have killed just as many still hunting as i have running dogs. I grew up hunting with dogs since i was 8 with my dad and family. So its been apart of me since then and i cont' it today and always will and i have my 8yr old son hunting with me now and he actually just killed his first deer ever sat. morning with me while we were running dogs. He killed her with his .410 on his first shot ever at a deer. I dont care who you are that was simply amazing and im proud as he** that he did that. He also enjoys still hunting with me and i have bought him a crossbow for christmas and that will be his still hunting toy for next year

Why didn't you buy him a compound bow? Is that also too much like work? Stop pushing the EASY button. :s2: lmao

As I have stated before, I dont hunt deer with dogs, but I do believe a dog hunter that wants to hunt deer with dogs and it is leagle in the area that he or she is hunting in has just as much right to hunt there as anyone! As far as hound hunting being easy, I hunt bear and mt. lion with hounds in the northwest mountains, if you think that it is easy you obviously have never done it. Shooting bear or deer over a bait or a food plot is alot easier than chaseing a hound up and down thick timbered mountains.

I understand dog hunting is a legal and excepted way to hunt deer and other animals in many areas of the country. This being said, I don't think "treeing" a bear/cougar with dogs, then shooting it because it has no way of escape, even resembles "hunting". Also, killing a deer that's been "herded" or otherwise just run out of energy by dogs, doesn't do it for me. But, if it's legal and you're happy doing it, have at it.

Like I said, you obviously never done it. Bears and lions dont always tree, the odds of getting a tree is about like getting a deer on a still hunt. A bear can run 15+ miles over rough terrain, threw creeks and they will stand there ground and fight the hounds. It is amuseing to me how people that have never done it speculate how easy it is and that bears always tree. That is kinda like saying fly fishing is easy, it looks easy but untill you try it you really dont know what you are talking about. In the last 5 years I would say I have treed way over 100 bear and have only shot one, not everyone that runs hounds do it to kill the animal. I do it to enjoy running the dogs and get some really cool photos in the prosess. Like I stated above, it takes less of a hunter to shoot a animal over a food plott, bait or behind a high fence than it does to run hounds.

I wish they would let us run beagles for deer in Mo, but we have too many city folk and out of staters that whine too much. I say let us buy a permit for the dog and limit the size of the beagles and only do it the last 3 or 4 days of season when all the whiners go home. I run rabbits faithfully with beagles and certainly dont see anything wrong with dog running. As far as being on someones property we have way too much gov. woods to run in. Just my 2 cents worth.

Hunting with dogs would be ok with me if the guys running them just kept the dogs on the property they are hunting....lots of dog hunters need to look up the words PRIVATE PROPERTY and NO TRESPASSING because they sure don't seem to know what they mean......

Sunday Hunting is coming.....

If you want to run your dogs during hunting season.....put a leash on them and go jogging.....

By far the best post in this whole thread :rock:

You're confusing hard work with predatory hunting. It would take lot of hard work for me to dig a 4'x6'x8'-deep hole, cover it with sticks and leaves, and bait it with corn to catch a deer, but it wouldn't make me a better hunter. So your dogs can chase a bear 15+ miles? What does that have to do with hunting? You may enjoy it, it may be part of your heritage, but I know you aren't walking the 15 miles, and even if you were, you wouldn't be a better hunter for it.

As the OP and a Virginia resident, you should know that it is illegal to bait here. And whether or not it is legal, illegal, or just plain too easy to hunt over a food plot, that really isn't relevant here, is it? Why not? The point of the discussion isn't the ease of a hunt or lack thereof, the point is the intrusivenes of your hunting method. I don't hunt over food plots. As stated, I pretty much only hunt public land. But even if I did hunt food plots, at least my actions wouldn't be invasive. At least my actions wouldn't force others to give up their hunting tactics and adapt to mine. That is what dog hunting does, and i've not heard a single shred of evidence that it doesn't. The only thing I hear is "justification." B.S.

If you want to do it on private property, fine. Keep the dogs on your property. If ya can't, then you shouldn't do it. And while it is legal to deer hunt with dogs on most public land in VA, only an ignorant fool buys the, "It's public land, I have as much right to it as you,' B.S. Yes, it's public land. Yes, you have a right to it, just as much as everyone else. But do you see everyone else taking up the whole frickin' woods with their tactics (same goes to the hooting and holler man drivers)? No, you don't. When a still hunter encounters a stand hunter, he is respectful and tries as best he can to turn back or salvage the stand hunter's hunt. You dog hunters don't. You force your way of hunting on everyone else, leave your dogs behind, let them trespass, and you don't give a crap.

With regard to Sunday hunting, it's just more proof that dog hunters at large are self-absorbed. No offense to Ohboy -- because he genuinely seems like a nice guy with his head on strait. But the dog hunting lobby is the absolute only thing standing in the way of Sunday hunting, under the guise of giving the animals a day of rest. B.S. And everyone knows it.

As for your statement that you would shoot a man who shot one of his dogs trespassing on his property, it's a simple deduction that you are a old, ragged piece of crap. So screw off. No-one is talking about hunting bear anyways, so why don't you post your crap where it's actually relevant.

Great post NATO.......Well said........

You guys act like all hound hunters are disrespectful, that is profileing, not all hound hunters tresspass and are buttholes. I respect people and there property and the other hunters in the woods, if I see someone in the area I am going to hunt I will go somewhere else, even if its another hound hunter. I do hunt private as well as public land, the private land I hunt is owned by a timber company which I buy a permit for me, my truck, and my 4 wheelers. This gives me acsess to thousands of acres of private land and allows me to go behind any gate on it with my 4wheelers or walk behind any gate. What I find amusing is every year I run in to people back behind the gates that dont have the required permits (therfore they are tresspassing) and guess what it is never a hound hunter. The hound hunters up there get the nessasary permits to be on the land and also buy a hound permit. I dont know how many times I have run into no tresspassing sighns in these areas that are put up by out of town hunters that are trying to keep people off of property that they dont even premission to be on. There are crooked hunters in all phases of hunting, not just with the houndsmen, most houndsmen I know obey all laws, because they want to keep the previlage of being able to run hounds.
As far as me shooting someone over my dogs, you dam right. I dont tresspass on private property, so if some hunter is on land that I bought a permit to hunt and shoots one of my dogs because it disrupts his hunting, then yeah I have a big problem with that man and he will either see a azz whoping or a bullet, his choice!

I believe that is a direct insult to another member and grounds for a banning!

I think insinuating the fact that you would murder another human being over a dog is a bit worse. But, you're right. I should be banned, and not you. Oh, and just now is where you stated that the murder of a human being would only take place on property you had permission to hunt. Or that they would have a choice between a bullet or an "azz whoopin'." Right.

Actually it wasn't an insinuation. It's what you said you would do.

Thats exactly what I would do if someone shot one of my dogs just because it interfered in his hunt, just maybe you are interfering with my hunt. Me and my dogs have just as much of a right to hunt on public land as anyone else. I have sat on a stand many a times and had people drive through it on 4 wheelers, but you dont see me on here whining about it. Actually if you are sitting a stand hounds may drive a deer straight to you. I dont hunt deer with my hounds, they are broke from running trash, but I was a member of the Miami Tract Hunt Club, in Osteen Fl, (where it is leagle to run deer with dogs) I was sitting on my stand with my bow when I heard hounds off in the distance, next thing I knew a 8 point buck popped out under my tree stand, I put a arrow in the deer. Just cause there are dogs in the area you are hunting doesnt mean they ruined your chance to get a deer.

Dude if you are serious about shooting another human over a dog then you are one sick puppy ( no pun intended) I love my dogs just as much as the next guy but killing someone over a pet is just down right disgusting and you may need a mental evaluation!!!!!!!!!!!

killing someones pet for no reason is down right disgusting. I like my dogs better than most people I know let alone people I dont know.

Tampering with an electronic tracking device in NC is a felony.

As it should be!!! My hounds EACH have $500 of electronics on them when they get turned out, I have 12 dogs. That is alot of money to have someone destroying. That is $6000 worth of GPS, Telemetry and Tri-Tronics collars, not to mention the cost of three Garmins, a F&L Blue Box, and 2 Tri-Tronics Trash Breaker transmiters. And dogs that are $2500 and up a piece. So yeah I am pretty protective of my investment! I would say it is safe to say that a hound hunter has more money invested in there hunting equipment than the average redneck that is going to shoot his dogs or destroy his equipment. Hey thats the kind of stuff tree huggers do, not fellow hunters.

I agree that killing someones pet is disgusting and I have that very thing done to me many years ago when I did deer hunt with dogs and the thought of killing the person never crossed my mine. Whopping his butt however is another story. With your attitude I see why you dont like most as I imagine most not like you

Great reply!

The only way I'd shoot someone's dog would be if it were attacking me, my family, or another innocent citizen. I can't believe someone would kill another human over a dog....an a$$ whooping I can see but nothing more regardless of the money involved.

x2 on that for sure

why can't you hunt on sunday in VA?

That's the million dollar question. In a nutshell, it's one of the old "blue laws" that is still being enforced. Dirty politics and a certain group of **cough, cough** dog hunters siding with the HSUS have kept this archaic law around.

Sounds to me like a lot of you boys need to move out of Virginia and go somewhere where your kind is more tolerated, say California, they banned hound hunting and now are in the prosess of trying to ban all hunting. Houndhunting has been a part of Virginias heritage since Virginia has been arround, about 400 years, the Virginia state dog is a American Fox Hound. Get it?

I dont agree with tresspassing on peoples property but that crap happens everywhere, not just with hound hunters. It seems some of you are trying to classify all hound hunters in the same light, there are bad examples of hunters in all forms of hunting. Because some hunters poach and spotlight, does that mean ALL hunters practice the same tactics? Of course not, but listening to you guys on this thread you make it sound like all hound hunters are tresspassers and dont respect other hunters. We are all hunters, it doesnt matter what tactics you practice, when you devide each other you are playing right into the hands of the antis and animal rights groups. Take a good look at California, they have banned hound hunting and I just recently read a article stateing they wasnt going to stop there. The fully intend on banning all hunting in the state of California, they are even changing the name of the California Fish & Game to California Fish & Wildlife, game is associated with hunting, which they dont want no part of.

A link to hound hunting in Virginia.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26916860.../#.UMc67IOunK0

Here is another link you should read.
http://www.nrahuntersrights.org/Article.aspx?id=6594

Because when it comes to Sunday Hunting Virginia is Backasswards ...like VAhuntr said " old blue laws "..... But you can buy beer....wine or whiskey on Sunday...and you can shop all over the state in every mall......and you can fish or go hiking or horseback riding in the forest...WMA's or State Parks on Sunday....you can even go and shoot your bow or gun on Sunday....BUT NO DEER HUNTING on SUNDAY.....and the people that make the rules are mostly voted in by the guys who run dogs....and most dog hunters ( not all ) don't want Sunday Hunting so it's " if you want our vote ...you vote NO on Sunday Hunting and you can keep your seat on the board".....kinda the good old boy network here in VA....
Virginia need to stop living in the past...and move into the 21st century and Let the hunters in Virginia have Sunday Hunting.....

Does anyone know how many deer are killed by "still" hunters compared to what is killed by "dog" hunters? I would love to know a number. I have read what the kill numbers are for each county and city in VA but its all about thinning the herds and the population.
I love still hunting and would do it as much as possible during the hunting season but honestly, how many deer does a still hunter kill each year? Not enough to control a herd and population. Not like dog hunters do with the hunt clubs. If hunting with dogs came to a end in VA, then the population would be over run and deer would be everywhere and would be so much inbreeding going on it would hurt the herds. If anyone is a "trophy" hunter looking for a nice buck i think that would be an impossible hunt cause a buck would have so many does he wouldnt have to get up and move, the woods would be filled with them and you'd never see him i think. It would be hard to even go in the woods cause so many deer would be around trying to find bedding areas you would jump them up all over trying to find a spot. Yea it would make hunting a challenge but most people cant fill enough tags in a year to do any damage to a herd.
I know this is all about dogs and owners going on others land and thats what yall hate the most but the fact is, most likely VA wont ever ban it, maybe they will have regulations on it which i agree on but not ban it.
Also, Hunters for the hungry, most the meat comes from hunt clubs that run dogs. Do we still hunters actually kill a deer and say im going to donate it today and not keep any meat? Yeah right be real. Hunt clubs may kill anywhere from 1 to 20 deer a day and will donate a ton of meat to hunters for the hungry to help familys out.
Also, Dog hunters help out the economy, wether you like it or not. We dog hunters buy way more gas, food, ammo, guns, clothing, equipment and etc. than any still hunters.
This is just a few things nobody else has mentioned and im not looking to argue, this is just a few facts or something to think about that goes along with hound hunting.

why would dog hunters not want to hunt on sundays?

Ohboy....why don't states that DON'T allow hunting with dogs have ALL these problems that you mention....?????...lots of trophy deer are killed every year in states that don't use dogs......hunt clubs kill so many deer too because if it's brown it's down.....and your right PROPERTY OWNERS ( hunters )don't like having others hunters TRESPASSING on their land ....especially when they are in a stand hunting....you should know that because you said you "still" hunt.....and plenty meat goes to hunters for the hungry from hunters that don't use dogs....and dog hunters may use more gas then the rest of us hunters....but then again were not driving the roads constantly dropping off dogs and riding the roads looking for them.....and many of us other hunters spend LOTS of money BUYING our OWN HUNTING PROPERTY and maintaining it ....

Because you have to work on Monday and you can't drive around monday looking for your dogs...thats what they use Sunday for...to find the dogs they couldn't find on Saturday....And most wouldn't know how to hunt without a dog....you know sitting in a tree and having to learn the woods and the deers pattern......it's called hunting.....

Sounds to me like deer hunting with dogs is intrusive to other hunters in more ways than one in that state. Glad i don't live there.

Dont know about other states and there issues, i live and hunt in VA and dont wonder outside of here to hunt or read about them states. I see what people post on here about there kills and storys and read all the problems they have as well. Im sure it wouldnt be as bad as i made it sound but just would be tougher than it is now and there is still alot of people that dont kill a deer in a year. That doesnt help the state any. As far as hunt clubs killing everything, yes most do cause the farmers or land owners want everything killed, which is why dog clubs get the lease, to kill the deer, not just 1 or 2. Which is why most farmers/owners have to kill so many deer during the summer to limit the herd cause us still hunters dont kill enough deer in a year. The deer damage so much land its crazy, especially on a farm, But since you apparently own land you should know this stuff. I have 233 acres and i still hunt it all the time and yes i have had dogs run deer through the property several times a year, but i use that towards my advantage and try to kill the deer. and the club i hunt with, we have a size limit, does have to be bigger than 70lbs and bucks have to be 16" inside or bigger

wow you really have a bad taste in your mouth for dogs and dog hunting