18 Point non typical
 

Here is THE deer I have been hunting for 3 years, first saw him 2009 as a 1-1/2 year old 11 point. Didn't see again until this past summer. He was taken this October hunting with Dan Parrott at "The Whitetail Inn" near Kimbolton Ohio. He has 18 scoreable points and was 300 lbs +. I have hunted with Dan on several occasions and harvested several great bucks, my grandson also took a 10 point non typical on this same hunt his second buck taken there.

Great buck. but i dont think that it is over 300 pounds. Beautiful deer though.

rediculous mass on that deer.

Awesome buck man. Congratulations!

nice deer! but like said above, no where near 300! maybe 180ish. I've seen a 205 pound deer and that was bigger than this one.

Fair-chase outside their fence, or inside their high-fence pen???

Was the guy sitting on the scales still holding his head when they weighed it. I only joke because I am insanely jealous.

Yes massive nice buck, and i was wondering the same thing was it a fence hunt? Or fair chase?

They sell both kinds of "hunts" at that place. Google it...

Great buck. Hopefully fair chase...otherwise it falls in the same category as cattle.

I love that you cyber hunting knuckleheads can judge the weight of the buck from a thumbnail pic. Please just say no to yourself when you get ready to type.
Nice buck. Trophy of a lifetime.

I didnt mean any disrepect by judging the weight. I only said that because deer in canada get that big. Not ohio, michigan, etc. I mean the average buck in michigan is about 120 pounds. The only reason i know that is because my grandpa used to own one of the biggest deer processing places in west michigan. It was called borns. Like i said, no disrespect on it. Beautiful buck.

yowsa the mass. fenced er not he was eating good. gotta admit it would be a big let down if it was a canned deal. cant go throwing pics out givin the average jo hope that those kinda things actually do exist in the wild. big foot..lol

Beautiful deer. That one heck of a dream deer.

I killed a 7pt here in NE Indiana that weighed 190 dressed. It was a BIG deer for around here.

The man at the deer processing facility gave me back 160 lbs of frozen meat and when I asked about the weight he said he had not weighed it before starting to skin it out, but on average they lost about 40 - 45% after gutting and skinning out. If that is true then that puts him at the 300 mark didn't have scales in the woods!
And yes I did take the deer inside the preserve but 1200 acres +/- is still a lot of woods, creek bottoms and steep ridges. I am old and overweight but I bet I can hide from you in that amount of property and terrain and I am not a deer!! And it is not like shooting cattle, as someone posted, they certainly are wild deer and not hand raised at all. He is able to work towards bigger mature bucks by controlling harvest and closely watching and thinning doe numbers so as to keep buck doe ratio at about two to one. I saw one taken there same time frame scoring probably 160 main frame 10 point taken outside the preserve with a bow on some of his land.

Awesome buck!

Two of his three posts have been about the White Tail Inn, makes you wonder.

NICE Buck
 

Wherever he was taken.

I misjudged my deer this year. I did not think he was a 300# deer but we weighed him as we butchered him. 305#

Easy to misjudge I guess. Only God and the processors know for real.

Look at his neck man. Easily a 300# deer.

Unreal that people on here could look at the FRONT end of that buck and say ANYTHING about his weight! That buck has unreal mass and if he was taken where the guy said I have no doubt it could hit 300# live weight. It also may have been taken within a high fence, but if it was in that type country in 1200 acres it sure as heck wasn't like hunting cattle in a pen either!!! A buck that old could probably hide from you in 10 acres with the proper cover!

Soooo true Topgun. Truer words....

X2 Great buck and 1200 acers for a deer is anything but cattle hunting. Congrats again, beautiful animal.

That's a great deer!

Nice looking buck! Good job

I have no Idea what the deer weighted nor do I care, I believe the the average weight loss is more like 60 percent, (not that it matters). any animal raised in an enclosure, be it one acre or a thousand is certainly not wild.

This is a farm animal, it would not or could not hide from anyone, these fenced animals have really lost most, if not all of their ability to survive in the wild, Remember this deer is alive only because someone choose to let him get bigger, not because of the deer being old & cunning.

Don't confuse this animal with a wild one, this is a caged animal, that is why they are not scored for the record book, I am not "Knocking it" if it works for someone I say go for it, but I don't see the thrill in shooting a caged animal. Not a lot different than shooting a cow, at 1200 acres the where-abouts of this animal is known at all times. jmop Doc

DocD---Farm animal my AZZ! Like shooting a cow---Are you frigginn kidding me! Yea, his weight is that of a cow maybe, LOL! I'm not for canned hunts that you're talking about either, but 1200 acres and saying they know where the animal is at all times is real baloney in the terrain that guy is talking about! Yep, they know the animal is on 1200 acres and that's it, unless they have a friggin tracking collar on it, LOL! Your post is so full of chit I can smell it here at my desk, LOL! A 2 square mile piece of property in the area he's talking about is certainly not a "canned animal game farm", high fence, low fence, or no fence. That deer wouldn't have lived to be prime age when people are hunting it if it wasn't smarter than you appear to be to make ignorant statements like you have.
You stated: "Don't confuse this animal with a wild one, this is a caged animal, that is why they are not scored for the record book, I am not "Knocking it" if it works for someone I say go for it, but I don't see the thrill in shooting a caged animal. Not a lot different than shooting a cow, at 1200 acres the where-abouts of this animal is known at all times." jmop Doc
Not knocking it! What in the heck do you call your entire post if it isn't "knocking it" and making baseless statements just based on a fence? Do you have any experience in the matter of animals in a large enclosure like that or were you on a hunt in a ten acre "pen" at one time to lambast a person in your post, which it certainly was. Your statement about entering in the book is because B&C decided not to get into a pizzing match into how big and what kind of terrain would be considered fair chase because it varies so much from animal to animal. Please just tell the guy he shot a nice deer and shut your yapper!

Did not really mean to "Ruffel" any feathers but you have to see it for what it is, & that is a dedicated hunt, really no skill, except to pull the trigger. I don't have any first hand experience in these hunts other than there is a farm not far from where I live where trophy deer are bred & sold around the world. I have never been on a "Canned" hunt but I know people who have, & it is the same story, they take you out, tell you about the time the deer will arrive, & you take your pick, you are charged by what you shoot. One of my good friends went on one of these hunts not knowing what to expect & at the end of the day he just couldn't do it. B&C don't recognize them for the simple fact They are genetically altered, you can drive by this deer farm I mentioned & see deer with unbelievable racks & the deer are only 18 months old. As I said, "To each there own" but I just don't see the skill in shooting an animal that is fenced in, when I would look at it hanging on the wall I could say "Ya I shot it" "But I didn't hunt it" But we are all different, & if if is ok with you, it is ok with me. but I would have a hard time calling it a hunting trophy. again jmop

Yes. it is a nice deer, a Very nice deer, (but the question of "fair Chase") is where I disagree. ( & I didn't swear at you once) Doc

High fence is high fence is high fence concerning the subject at hand, and it's not for me, whether it be 10 acres or 1200 acres.

Concerning the deer, congratulations, he's a hell of buck, and as long as you are happy and proud, that's all that matters. With that neck and mass I would certainly get him mounted in a semi-sneak position to highlight both.

DocD---What you are talking about is completely different than the place this guy went to! Do you realize how big 2 square miles is? That deer has no idea that fence is there and you wouldn't either in that type of country with the terrain and vegetation it encompasses. I'm with you 100% on these small "canned hunts" that are 100% "gimmes" and these farms that are genetically engineering the deer for big bucks (both literally and for money) like the places you mentioned. "Fair chase" as deemed by B&C and not being able to enter that buck is not what this is all about (see my other post). You have admitted your prejudice with no real knowledge of the issue and that's really a shame. The guy may have even shot that buck with a bow by the way and that would mean "getting close and personal" with that animal that's at least five years old and knows every tree and bush in his domain. I guess you would also say that those huge ranches in Texas that are high fence and have 30,000 acres like the one I used to hunt next to on a low fence 2,000 ranch aren't fair chase either, again leaving out what B&C says! By the way, if you call my post swearing at you, you need to get a life!!!

Doc
 

Topgun beat me to the Texas Ranch scenario.

Tell me that somehow, hunting a 30000 acre ranch in those 'Senderos' (sp.?) is not akin to fenced hunting. Those ranchers and directors know every buck on that ranch. Knows their habits probably better than that of their Spouses.

What's the difference? Nothing. Both can be considered Fair Chase regardless of P&Y or B&C bylaws, YMMV.

Maybe ranch or Fenced hunting isn't for you but for you to cast your unrequested opinion on what is fair chase isn't fair the the Post or the Author.

Yep, my $.02

"Tell me that somehow, hunting a 30000 acre ranch in those 'Senderos' (sp.?) is not akin to fenced hunting. Those ranchers and directors know every buck on that ranch. Knows their habits probably better than that of their Spouses."


***You are kidding I hope! Tell me you're kidding, LOL! "Know every buck and their habits" on 30,000 acres of property that's thicker and stickier than you would ever believe any place could be is a statement that is is just plain false and not even in the ballpark. It's great to have an opinion on something, but it would sure be nice if opinions were backed up with some knowledge of what is being discussed to make that opinion more than hot air! How many of you on this thread that are dissing these larger fenced places in the thousands of acres have been in or even close to one in their lifetimes to be spouting some of the garbage that comes out when this is discussed? I have over at least 20+ years and it doesn't sound like any of the negative talkers have a clue about them! If you hunt an island that is several thousand acres in size and the animals can't get away, what is the difference if it's water or a fence surrounding that land? That happens up on some of the big islands in upper Lakes Michigan and Huron and it dang sure isn't like shooting cattle!!!

Top Gun- Two square miles is not that big for deer I hunt properties over four miles apart and have the same bucks show up on both properties.

I won't argue that during the rut, but unless there is undue pressure in an area the core area of a buck is well under a square mile and many times 1/2 mile if he has the cover, feed, and does to service. The more open areas they inhabit, the more likely they are to use travel corridors to move miles like you're mentioning too!

hard to tell body weight with a neck pic like that buds

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Top, In short - I'm agreeing with you. As to Hot Air/Opinions, no sir. Empirical data here. Whilst not all Directors will advise they know every deer on their property, most high profile Ranches do make such boasts. True or untrue remains to be known but I am repeating what has been advised directly.

I take everything with a grain of salt pal but when someone makes a claim, you have two choices: either believe it or not. No reason for me to not believe a Rancher or Director that states such a thing. He Lives the Life. His Profession IS to know his property. Why shouldn't he know his Ranch.

Anyway, it don't much matter. I'll never make one of those hunts. Best I can make nowadays is hunting with my family in the Catskills for another 300# ghost.

DD---I was actually referring to ranches that are leased out to guys that have money to burn and not ones that are selling top dollar hunts like you mentioned out on the market. I'm sure if you're talking about those places that you are spot on because they are selling a product when you come right down to it.

TG, You stated the buck had no idea the fence was there, how do you know he didn't bed right next to it?

Give it a break will ya, LOL!

I need help I got a buck that's scrapping an hooking on my land an has been doing so for three years an the scraps an hookings have been in the same spots an there is not jus one or two there are 20 how can I kill him before someone else does

Never heard the term "hookings" before unless you're talking about the limbs they rub and break over a scrape a lot of the time! If there's an active scrape or rub line where a mature buck is coming through I would set up a couple good stands back far enough from the line and where you can use the wind to get in and out. Many mature bucks like you 're probably talking about won't be through there during daylight hours unless the rut is really going. A big mistake people make is overhunting a stand(s) and stinking an area up. One guy on here that is taking a lot of big bucks feels the first time you're in a stand may be the best opportunity to nail that big one before he nails you and changes his pattern. I agree 100% with that theory.