Hey if his property isnt posted you my as well assume its public and go get your deer. But if he has it posted thats a different story.

*cough* or just wait til dark *cough*

Absolutely wrong,
posting laws do vary by state,
in NY lands do not have to be posted, posting is more of a reminder, than a requirement,
in NY trespessing is trespassing regardless of whether posted.
attitudes like that will cause more people to post their lands,
and you should always know where you are and where the property borders are.

out west its by permission only!
I used to chase dove hunters out of our fields every year. One year a guy and his son came and asked if they could hunt in our land, he was an contractor and said if we needed any work he would be happy to help. We let him hunt all he wanted.

food for thought...

Go get your buck F the guy. Dont let the buck go to waste bc the guys an ass. If i made the descion to drop the hammer on a buck then i wouldnt mind a trespassing fee to recover it...that is if i get caught cough cough. You tried to do the right thing and it blew up in your face. When it comes down to it whats more important letting a great buck rot or "tresspassing" for 20 minutes to recover a deer you legally shot.

Another nominee for the poaching trespasser list - without caring a bit about legal, ethical hunting. Great job on closing up even more land to hunters.

Hey holier than thou.. The landowner already hates people in general, he wouldnt even let the guy got get his buck. So how am i closing up more land? HE WONT LET ANYONE ON IT,he rudely slammed a door in the mans face for no reason..And another how am i a poacher and UN ETHICAL? hahha Bc i dont want a deer to go to waste? yup thats DEF un ethical.

Sometimes doing the right thing aint doing the right thing.


this is what this thread will turn into..:bash:

Breaking the law to take game, whether before or after the shot is poaching.
So yes trespassing to retrieve game is poaching.
If the deer is wasted only person to blame is the hunter.
An ethical hunter would take every precaution to avoid this.
That includes getting prior permission and not hunting 100 yds from a border.
Deer tend to run to either water, or safe havens after being hit.
That safe haven may be private land nearby.
So this hunter made some bad mistakes, and deer may get wasted because off his decisions,
Hopefully he will learn from this and avoid it in the future

Well...In Michigan i believe u can trespass if not posted ...But farmland is an exception. Farmland is assumed private. Asking is always the right thing to do but i wouldnt let this prick stop me from fillin the freezer. Just my opinion...

BS he made some bad mistakes. He was hunting on public land and shot the deer with an arrow during legal shootng light... all legally. What is he not suppost to hunt withn 500 yards of the boarder bc he could make abad shot with a bow. HAHA The landowner is just an Ahole and is proble growing pot in there or something. This guy has nothing to hang his head about. If he had been hunting the boarder(liek the Dbag landowner is) and shot a deer on the other guys land then YES he made a mistake.

Make sure you guys dont role threw a stop sign or speed bc its wrong....But what if your prego wife had her waterbreak and was rushed to the hosptial................See what i mean about doing the right thing isnt always the right thing.

Too all who say just go and get the deer,
That is exactly why landowners do what this guy did,we do NOT know why he didn't allow the OP to recover the deer maybe his land has been disrespected in the past!
And with or without prior aproval he isn't allowing anyone on his property!
That is the reason why even if someone ask for permission before, I will only let them on my property with an ******!
My dad and I were left 70 acres 20 years ago and don't hunt it, we just keep it as an investment,and even posted it stating hunting access granted only with permission,and every year we check it in hunting season we have to run people off,so now it is posted NO TRESPASSING ALLOWED!
Guys like those who would just go get the deer are why access to private land is getting harder and harder to find!
THANKS!!!

no reason for you to complain when you have 70 acres

You tried the civil way now go back up to the door and when he answers ask one more time. If he says no again tase him with one of those pocket model tasers. Nah I'm just kidding. Not much you can do except ask him to mail you the rack if he finds it. The guy does sound like a dutch bag though! LOL

haha! tase him lol...not a bad idea actually.

To be fair to the landowner, I know plenty of situations where hunters "crowd" someone's private land--and in many of those cases where the deer comes out and gets shot virtually guarantees the deer will run a few feet and be in private land from there on out. In other words, people purposely crowd private land where they only way to keep it legal is if the deer dropped right in its tracks.

Not sure if that's what's happening in this case, but if so I would side with the landowner. A lot of hunters want a free ride, as it were. They want the benefits of hunting a nice private piece of property by hunting right on the border of private land. While technically that's legal, don't hunt anywhere where there isn't a reasonable expectation that the shot deer will STAY on PUBLIC LAND.

By your own admittance, you're hunting a "border area" between public and private land. And my guess is you're doing so on purpose because you think the hunting on that guy's private land is pretty good.

Well, tough luck then, I say. Why should that person who pays taxes on that land year around reward you for essentially shooting a buck on his land? Yeah, yeah, I get it: you were on public land--but you had to know there was almost a certainty the deer would run onto private land if shot, right?

And no surprise, this landowner has had this problem a few times before. Why? Because many hunters want a freebie, as pointed out above.

If it's a private-vs-private dispute (you were on private land and it ran onto someone else's private land), the guy's response is a little shortsighted. I'd want to remain in good with my neighbors--and someday I may need to ask that same favor.

But as someone pointed out, the best way to deal with this is BEFORE season. I'm sure you're response was the typical response that guy gets all the time: not a word of hello or anything until you needed something. Not the smart way to do things.

In Michigan private property is private property. It not being posted does not get one out of a trespass ticket. So be careful of the legal advice you give.

Lol...it's easy to see in this thread who owns private land and who doesn't.

I hunt both private and public. When I'm hunting public, I surely have enough respect for private property that I don't have the entitlement attitude I see displayed in this thread.

You're entitled to NOTHING on private land. Get over it. I love these (I know half-kidding) quips about tasering this guy blah, blah, blah.

Yes, by all means: add a felony (or a list of felonies) to the list! You show him!

Somedays I get dumber reading these threads.

no i wasnt posted right on this guys property line. i was about a hundred yrds off in a nice little funnel where these deer are pinched in from a cove and his property. i think its bull that most of you private land owners think that no one should hunt public land that boarders yours. so what where suppose to stay out because theirs a chance that that deer may run onto your property. who gives you the right to think that all this land becomes yours since your property boarders it. i bet when you originally bought your property it was an incentive having that public land surrounding your property but sure in the hell doesnt make everything bordering it yours. i think its so funny if someone is a near your propety line were crowding your hunting area. in most cases on public land we have no choice as were fighting to find a spot away from everyone else.

your right it is easy to see who owns private land and who doesnt. pretty said that this is the attitude of most private land owners. we all know were not entitled to anything but you would think most people would have the decentsy to allow another hunter to retrieve his deer. so all private land owners are telling me youve never had a deer youve shot run onto public land.

No, that wasn't my point. The point was you shouldn't hunt a place if there is no reasonable expectation the deer won't go over onto private land if shot. If you're where you said you were at, fine. You should be able to shoot a deer and have it drop within 100 yards. But you didn't make the shot that did that...so you're now at the mercy of the property owner.

Aside from that, it wouldn't hurt to get to know this guy ahead of time instead of the first time he ever saw your face was after you shot a deer that went onto his land.

Some will let you, some won't. But it does sound like this guy has had some bad experiences and unfortunately took that out on you. That's also part of the game.

In short, live and learn. Now that you know this guy won't let you onto his land you need to evaluate if you're capable of consistently killing deer in that spot and having them drop before it reaches his property line. If not, you shouldn't hunt it. If so, go for it.

That's the only point. Legally you can hunt mere inches inside state land from his property. Legally you can shoot something mere inches inside state land from his property. But if you do you better be able to drop the animal right there in its tracks. I think a lot of hunters make entitlement assumptions (not saying you personally) that they can hunt a border area and just trounce through private property to get anything they shoot.

You did the right thing by going to him and asking...an even better approach would have been to get to know him a bit before the season. Stop by and offer him a beer (or pop or water--never know if someone drinks or not) or something, make some small talk.

Don't consider this a closed case, either. Maybe this offseason go back and introduce yourself to him. Perhaps apologize for not taking the time to introduce yourself to him earlier and ask if there's anyway you can work with him going forward. Who knows...maybe offer to do some work for him or something and he might even let you hunt his land, let alone go retrieve something.

Then again, maybe he still has the same reaction. Well, then you know without a doubt what you're dealing with in that situation and can plan accordingly.

I've found more times than not that even the biggest buttholes become disarmed if you re-approach them straight and take the high road and sympathize with their plight (having had multiple run-ins with trespassers or something) and sincerely ask what you can do in the future to earn their trust.

100 yds is basically on the border.
With bow deer easily run +100+200 yds without being pushed
100 yds away that land is probably first direction they will run to.
With bow I try to keep at least +300 yds minimum distance from a border I don't have access to
Also how much time did you give before you started tracking? If not enough time may have pushed the deer onto his land yourself

Your analogy just doesn't work. If you're hunting public land you have no rights once private land comes into play. But, if you're on private property and public land becomes part of the equation, then the private land owner has the same rights on the public land that you do.

Also something that some don't seem to realize, or don't care about, is the simple fact that land owners acquire a bad attitude toward strangers for a reason. If you own land long enough you'll probably fall victim to poachers, thieves or vandals. Having property shot up or stolen, will make a land owner real grumpy after a while. Of course in the minds of some he's just being a jerk.:o

Recreational Trespass
•The Recreational Trespass Act applies to specific types of trespass. One type of recreational trespass involves a person entering the non-farming property of another to engage in recreational activity without the owner's consent. That type of property must be either fenced or otherwise enclosed, or posted with a sign prohibiting trespassing that meets certain requirements. Another type of recreational trespass involves a person entering farm property, and wooded areas connected to it, for any recreational activity without the owner's consent. Farm property does not need to be fenced, otherwise enclosed or contain a posted sign prohibiting trespassing.


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Well,I hate to say it but I've been in the exact same situation before.

Our land boarders the biggest Dhead in the county's land. I killed a nice 6 point about 2 years ago and it fell about 10 feet across his fence.

I went and asked him if I could get him and he said no in a very smartasss way.

Needless to say......I got my damn deer.

Am curious as to age of those for and against trespessing?
Is this a generational gap thing with kids having no respect for the law and landowners?
I am 40 and would not even contemplate tresspassing.
I will also remember these posts next time someone asks me for permission.
Don't know what my reply will be, just know you guys turned me away from granting blanket permission.
Also If you intend on trespessing what's the point of asking?
Do you know what it means to be sincere in your request?
Think my response to those asking after the fact will be to say no, and will call dec immediately.
Anyone found trespassing after I denied them I will now press charges not just chase them off the land.
Good hunters will suffer because of this, but until Dbag tresspassers learn its what will have to be done

The Dhead I was referring to in my last post has a son who hunts his property and had come and asked us more than once to come onto OUR land and recover his deer.....We allowed him and I even helped him pull the monster onto his truck.

A year later I shot a deer and it downed about 10 feet across his fence and like I said he refused in a very smartasss manner to let me get my deer.

F him.

Yes I technically "trespassed" but if I give a man's son courtesy and a helping hand....I expect the same back.

id just go get it.

Agree permission should be reciprocated with neighborsm
Have 1 neighbor we made it clear from day 1 that we will allow eachother to retrieve game form our properties. No need to ask after the fact.
He is selling his land and will discuss same with new owners.
Also have a neighbor with a 300 acre lot that borders my property, I have not been able to locate that owner yet, so I stay way clear of hunting that section
As for your neighbor agree he is an arse for not reciprocating.
But I myself still would not trespess, and would keep my distance from his border.

I'm 51. I own two different acreages in different counties. I believe trespassing is wrong for nearly any reason, including deer retrieval. I'm guessing those who see trespassing as no big deal don't own land. They have nothing invested and obviously don't respect the rights of others. It's all about them.

Terasuck...Your going to base fututre descions bc of a thread on some forum...Grow up. WAAAAA someone disagreees with me so now im going to be hardass when someones on my land. I bet you are the type of guys to get smashed in a bar fight and call the police instead of swinging back bc its the right thing to do. I cant believe how some people dont have any balls anymore.

OHH and another thing I own 423 acres in Maine FYI and i dont post it. OMFG WHY DONT YOU>>>>>> I chose not to so other people can enjoy it as much as i did before i bought it. Thats why theres land open still bc people arnt selfish *******s who want it all to themselves. Thats why land is really posted.MINE MINE MINE.:pcwhack:

I was right - BigBuck28 - is the head of the trespasser/poaching club.

This has got to be the best thread ever!
Sorry if i get a little heated i mean nothing by it.


hahaha yah got to be the head of something.:woot:
I agree to disagree
these are my club members..

I disagree.I'm 45 and own 20 acres of my own and 70 acres with my Dad,and the 70 acres we use to allow access we just wanted to know when and who was going to be on the property,and after finding several people hunting it without us knowing and people dumping trash on it,we posted it NO TRESPASSING!
All we asked for was some respect and couldn't get that!
I have permission to hunt other peoples land, but I treat it as I would MY OWN(RESPECT IT) that is all IMO that any landowner wants is for people to treat there property as they would treat there own!
Most landowners I know that don't want people on there land have had it disrespected!
If you hunt public land it belongs to all of us,so treat it also as you would your own property!!!

I'm also a great land owner. If anybody wants to hunt on my land they must live there all through the off season and live in thatch houses, slaving to build my castle and work my land. They become my surfs and when I come around they kneel and call me sire!
God forbid anybody spends 15 minutes on my land to trail a wounded deer cause then the hounds are released. Then when caught I say they're the one whos candy wrapper I found on my land belonged to and it's off with their head!!!!!!
Seriously, this guy just wanted to get his deer, it wouldn't of took more then 20 minutes. He's not vandalizing anything.
I guess in NY it's F your fellow man though. Well I say F ya back:happy0001:

Now WHO is the president? j/k, all in good fun fellas.

Dont you be tryin to steal my presidental postion...but you can be the VP....we also have openings for a Senior Vice President, CEO, Managers in every Department and Supervisors Our club is awesome!!!:party0005:

CEO sounds good.lol.

And if you have read all the post you would see that I said,if it were my land I would let him recover the deer!
But if I'm willing to allow you to hunt MY property YES MINE I PAY THE TAXES ON IT TO KEEP IT THAT WAY!!!! and all I ask is for you to let me know when you will be on it,and you can't even do that,and I"M the AHOLE,
I agree that the guy the OP ran into should have let him recover his deer!
Its true one bad apple spoils the whole peck!I have lost hunting rights because of, anothers disrespect to the land.
If you want respect you must first give it!
The OP gave the land owner respect and didn't get any in return,but maybe he was waiting to see if the OP would go after it anyway! And if he didn't go after the deer and and goes back later and talks to this guy maybe he will get some!(EARNED IT WITH RESPECT)

I read the whole post. My 1st reply was on page 2. No one knows why the landowner in the topic denied permission. Everybody of your persuasion thinks it's cause he has caught people trepassing in the past. Maybe he has a still back there, he's gonna keep the deer to his self, or just cranky. No one knows really.
Good to see you'd not do that.

I agree,no one knows why he did that,(I think it was wrong that he did) but I respsct that it is his right to do it!
Sometimes respect is a hard thing to earn,and even harder to keep!
And those who say they would just go and get the deer,you WILL never earn a landowners respect that way!
I am moving to S.Illinois in a few weeks and hope that I can earn the respect of some landowners there,I will do my best to anyway!!!!

GOOD LUCK everyone,and be safe and respectful out there,it benifits all of us!

Good luck to you as well my friend. Your moving to a good place for big deer. Atleast in the pic.s I see.