Your doing it wrong.

$$$$ talks.

You offer the owner 1/2 the meat, and I'm sure he'll agree.

or you offer him $50, and I'm sure he'll agree even faster.

Wrong.... your obviously not a landowner. Money, meat and labor are offered up for hunting priveledges, not for permission to recover a deer. Because now, its dead and on my property, all I have to do is say no and go recover it myself.

and that is because you are a hunter.

a non-hunter is NOT going to gut and drag a deer over to a butcher.

So any other land owner may want money or meat.
You can't speak for the 99% of non-hunters.

Alex - exactly the way it should be done!!!

your absolutely correct, I can't but IF I was a non-hunter and you didnt approach me during the off season as I wrote before and you just show up and offer me $$ or meat, I'll still say no, and call up someone that I know does hunt and say, hey buddy... come get this deer.

We can go on and on about this... I'm done and have made my point.

Thanks SteveBNy

Heh. $50...woo-hoo!

Seriously, compared to the taxes we pay, head-aches from trespassers, etc...meat and/or $50 means nothing. What matters more is respect and a grateful attitude from those that request permission to enter our land. A lot of the people responding to this thread come at it with the attitude that they'll go through the pretense of asking for permission, but the intention of entering the property either way. That attitude is why a lot of land owners are such sticklers.

They paid thousands of dollars to purchase the land, they maintain it, they pay taxes on it. Therefore it's their right to do wtf they want to re: permission...including being a royal A-hole and not letting anyone on if they so choose.

Attitude is everything.

Real life case in point: we have three neighbors near our hunting property. Two are totally stand-up guys, nice to talk to, and very honest and respectful. The third owner is a group of know-it-all disrespectful A-holes that have no respect for others' boundaries. They have been caught trespassing, breaking into camps, stealing, etc. Guess who gets permission to enter and retrieve their game in the off-chance it crosses our line?

This here is the attitude of 98% of the land owners here in the state of Illinois thats why I wouldnt even bother asking I would have went in at dark and got the deer,I grew up here in a town of population 90 there is one family of farmers that own all the land for that surrounds this small town and the river runs on one side,I never trespassed on there land until I was about 13 I was fishing at the river which is owned by the state and one of these farmers said I couldn't be there,after that it was all a game for me I hunted there land for over 9 years with out ever getting caught,there was times I would be sitting on the ground deer hunting and one of there outfitters was less then 15 feet away from me picking white mushrooms off the trees never did see me I still look back and laugh about that today,I had a lot of good times,and don't regret it a bit,I wouldn't enter there yard or there home but the timber I would not hesitate I don't think anyone should have the rights to tell someone they can or cant use what god gave all of us,I was young and I wanted to hunt and they owned every tree in sight it was an easy decision for me and evidently someone up above was with me through all them years because I had some close calls where it seemed like there would be no way I could get out with out being seen,cant count the time people would almost be stepping on me but every time I made it.I am older now and don't do it anymore but as far as any regrets I don't hold any I had a lot of fun enjoying the natural world and I learned a lot.

DITTO!
I have NO problem with someone asking prior permission,but will still only grant it when needed,I have been burnt by granting permission for recovery before!
We're talking about public land hear,and I sure don't want every public land hunter knocking on my door asking if they can recover IF it happens,ask me WHEN the time comes and I"ll help you.
If you are my neighbor/owner or leassor,then yes prior permission is the respectful thing to do!

That's a really crappy attitude. Obviously it's all about you, the rights of others be damned. Jeeze.:confused:

Its not all about me at all,far to complicated to explain thats why I hate getting into these types of discussions.

All I can say is in a town of only 90 I would think everyone knows everyone!
So either your ATTITUDE kept you out or the ATTITUDE of others before you NOT giving the landowner ANY respect for HIS property gave him a reason to NOT allow people on HIS land!!

I feel different about the natural resources if that makes any sense.I don't think money was ever intended do be involved in any of this but some liquored up man some how made it this way created all these crazy laws,if things wasn't the way they are there would not be a single hungry person in America we have enough fish and wild game to keep us all fed but everything got made to be so twisted and they pounded this into the peoples head until everyone believed there way was the right way so they fence off all the land and hang signs its truly sick and unjust,it is like a big monopoly game.

can you say socialist!!!!

You'd look at it in a different light if it was you who had paid several 10's of thousands of dollars for land. But it seems that since you haven't, you don't like or respect property rights. Not good.

I respect your rights but I have to respect my own rights at the same time.

You have to right to step foot on someone else's private property. :hit:

Really only one word comes to mind for me to say to that. WOW.

It's not complicated at all. You're trying (and failing) to justify breaking the law. Again, I might add (I recall a thread recently where you tried to justify poaching). You don't like the current system of land ownership, then fine. Move somewhere with collective land rights. Oh, that's right, we already have that. It's called public land. You're not special; join the crowd.

And the landowner has the right to prosecute you.

Seriously, it's people with your attitude that gives all hunters a bad reputation. This isn't the first thread where you've been on the wrong side of the ethical fence. I don't say this lightly (you're the first I've ever said it to), but do us all a favor and just quit hunting if this is the image you're going to use to represent the hunting community. Sounds to me like you're just another inconsiderate, self absorbed, disrespectful kid.

Excellent post. Being a land owner and a hunter I can't believe some of the posts here disreguarding the land owner's rights. I pay taxes, insurance, and upkeep of my property and when you cross over onto my posted private property, you are disrepecting me and my family. I do think the land owner should have allowed you to retrieve the deer. I would have. If I would not, then such is life and that is my right. Better preparation and a better shot would have prevented this all together. I have hunted large game in Alaska for over twenty years and always take a neck shot. You will either kill the animal or miss completely. Never had one shot in the neck that didn't drop in it's tracks. Same with whitetail deer.

you are an arsehole....

If you are a land owner and somebody shoots a deer that goes on your property and you don't let him retrieve it, you are really just taking out your frustrations on that person. I have to say, if he was good enough to ask permission to get the deer you should let him get it. I own land I hunt on, and let people cross the line for this kind of thing. What is wrong with treating people how you would like to be treated. It is sad to see some Land Owners are Dirt Bags from what I have read.

You couldnt be more wrong,I am not a disrespectful kid,how can you say I am on the wrong side of the fence maybe you are all on the wrong side of the fence,I never tried to justify poaching what I said was if children are hungry and someone has to poach a deer then so be it,I am not some kind of god its not my right to say hey you cant do that sorry feed your kids bread and water or whatever but don't you dare shoot that deer.

I am not representing anyone I wasn't aware that I had to,you are going to try telling me you don't break the law like you never drive 60 in a 55,even the police break the laws go to chicago and see the police brutality with your own eyes,the conservation police break the laws this week they pulled over more then 100 cars and done illegal searches, violation of the 4th amendment,so my point is that even the law enforcers are breaking the law.

I am just enjoying life and the outdoors the way it should be,I dont do it anymore like I said I am older now and have private grounds to hunt as well as some good public ground but I dont feel that what I done was a crime.

Huh?

I haven't read of anyone on this board that wouldn't let someone retrieve a deer. We'd even let the Breaking-and-Entering A-holes on the adjacent property get their deer...it just wouldn't be a blanket permission in that case (we would accompany them on the retrieval).

For the record, I think the landowner that denied the OP permission is a Dirt Bag for doing it that way...but I respect his right to deny him permission.

If more hunters respected landowners' rights, hunters in general would find landowners would be a lot more accomodating.

How about this, in your own words?

"after that it was all a game for me I hunted there land for over 9 years with out ever getting caught"

This goes waaaayyyyy beyond jumping over a line to retrieve a deer. Sounds pretty disrespectful to me.

Ah, the time tested moral equivalence argument. FWIW, breaking the speed limit by 5mph costs nobody else anything. Trespassers that steal or damage property cost landowners money. Even if it doesn't, it violates their rights. If you think it doesn't, let me come sit in your living room and go through your stuff without you knowing about it when you're gone for the weekend. Same thing, right?

If you can't understand the deal with trespassing and landowner rights, then my original assessment stands. Maybe when you pay a lot of money for something, only to have someone claim it as their own, you'll understand.

As stated above, the vast majority of landowners will grant you permission to get your deer. Your attitude and history (9 years of trespassing) indicates to me that there's more to your story than you're telling (which is why they denied you permission).

Whatever happened at EARNING the chance to be given permission?
Its seems access is taken for granted here.
I recall when people used to spend summers clearing property owners road frontage of garbage, painting / repairing fences, doing yardwork, all in hope the owner may give him permission, and even if denied, not curse the landowner.
Many landlowners are hunters themselves and will have various reasons for denying access.
I myself have about 10 acres of 50 specifically for safety zone for game, where I don't even enter, been about 5 yrs since I stepped foot in those parts. Would be pissed if others took upon themselves to trespess.
I also hunt statelands that border my property many times over hunting my own land as don't want to pressure the deer on my land.
Am basically disgusted by many attitudes where people feel they can trespass at will

So Blackhawk, you don't think that land should be owned? At all? If thats the case than whats to stop me from walking in your front door and claiming your property as mine? I should be able to walk in and just take what I want. Cause "I don't think you should be able to own anything." If we can't own land and buildings on that land than there would be chaos. Whats to stop one farmer from planting crops on all the farms in the area and making the other farmers go hungry? Whats to stop logging companies from clear cutting every Forrest on the planet? Cause hey if its natural than its free for the taking right?

You definately voted for zerO...what's mine is mine and if you have more than me, well, that's mine too. You obviously are too poor or stupid to be a land owner yourself. Of course if you were, then I should come hunt your place "just because I can"

You were probably denied because you were part of the local scumbags.

I hope someone poaches all the game from your "private" grounds.

At least you admit it.
You are a trespasser, enjoy doing it and feel it is your right.
Classic case of entitlement - you deserve it even though you did nothing to earn it other then being born. Your attitude is one of the biggest reasons getting to hunt private land is getting harder and harder for honest legal hunters.

And I wouldn't be surprized with that attitude that many landowners and hunters around you regularly have treestands, camera's etc come up missing as well.

Perhaps every post should be re-read, and anyone that said they would go onto private land to retreived their deer without permission or without even asking for permission should be listed in the "I AM A TRESPASSER/CRIMINAL" Topic!.

And with that... I'm out.... HAPPY THANKSGIVING Everyone!

wow i am shocked by some of the responses on this. i was just wanting to vent. i respect land owners rights completely that is why i did the right thing and went and asked for permission. i was just dumb founded by his rudeness and his response. not sure if he was having a bad day or what. maybe he has had some bad experiences in the past not sure what his deal was. i know if i had land myself i would want someone to ask me for permission but i would never say no and let an animal go to waste. i would go with them and make sure everything was done correctly. i know now where im going to be for next shotgun season. right out in the crp field at sun up to make sure no deer comes his way. i think it might be a good day to do a little more scouting.

Seabee - I respect for for the way you handled it.

No the reason its getting harder and harder has nothing to do with me it has to do with money,lets not blow things out of proportion here I never said anything about stealing or walking in living quarters,local scumbags good one,my brother actually has permission to hunt all this farm land that I enjoyed for 9 years,I didnt harm anyone or steal or damage any property nobody was deer hunting it,there was one outfitter and he was just a goose hunter,I have settled down now and no longer do it.

Happy Thanksgiving to you all as well.

Am not upset with what you did,
You were legal and did the right thing,
Unfortunate you didn't get permission, but I wouldn't blame the landowner, just yourself to blame.
What gets me upset is the replies where people freely advise to trespess.
Permission is earned and should be appreciated, not expected and taken for granted.
As someone mention its entitlement mentality of those that ask expecting to get a reply in their favor, and calling landowners Dbags for not granting permission.
That is their land, they have their reaswons for not granting permission.
They don't need to explain such reasons,

You live and learn, maybe take this into account and ask per permission prior to hunting as part of your scouting.

Then the solution for the problem is to hunt with heavy sabot slugs, or nolser partition ammo. something totally destructive and over kill; with heavy knock down power.

i could not agree more,the property i hunt allso backs to state land and other private property.the other owners have both asked first recover deer and this owner allways says yes and even helps and if we had the same thing happen we would ask.if they said no i would allso be upset too but no means no and that is that owners right.i would have absolutley no respect or tolerance for someone that has shown me the same....karl

Damn dude, grow some nuts and just go get the deer, by the time you did all the right things you could have had it back over the fence.

Check the law. Some states have a provision that you can leave your gun / bow on state land, then go on to the private land to retrieve downed game. In those states, the requirement to leave the weapon behind proves to anyone who "catches" you on private land that you're not actually hunting.

Don't do it without checking first!

Another leading candidate for the "I AM A TRESPASSER/CRIMINAL" topic. Sounds like a well qualified experianced, founding proud member.