skeeter 7MM

Further proves that their is no substance to the "bush beater" myth. No matter the size of the lead or diameter it can deflect when hitting something solid. 2 deflections is not real common as your suggestng, though certainly with in reason. Excellent CSI work, btw!!!

iSnipe

You know, about 15 years ago, one of the hunting mags had what you call a "scientific" study on the Brush Gun theory.

They tested many different rounds shooting through a criss-crossed pattern of dowel sticks. They concluded that the larger bullet's better ability to bust through deflection over lighter bullets, was so inconsequential, it hardly made a difference.

So from what I gathered then, the brush gun theory didn't hold water, so to say. You'll get "similar" amounts of deflection from a heavier bullet as a lighter one. Overall conclusion is that, yes, the heavier bullets did better, but not enough to warrant it's superiority.

While I only have a handful of real world conclusions to go by, and trying to use reasoning as a means to come to my own conclusions, I still find it hard to think I won't be better off using a 30-30 through brush than a .243.

iSnipe

skeeter 7MM

Is your opinion based really on the bullet/caliber size or actually the rifle/setup best fit to the situation???

A bush gun to me is a small frame/quick handling, short range (slower velocity/big lead) and often unscoped. 30/30, etc fit this mold a lot better then a 243,etc. I carried a 4570 lever as a guide, iron sights and big lead. Wasn't to get through bush it was strictly to slow a bear in tight cover. Only needed once and it worked as I had intended...lol

iSnipe

Good question, good question.

My reply was based on bullet weight and not so much about speed.

To me a brush gun is similar, like a 30-30, short handling, easy to maneuver, light weight, usually with lower power optics, like 4x40mm. My eyesight suffered for a while and I was better with a scope, but I shot plenty of open sights. So either one.

I was also considering a "brush" gun by getting an older Winchester .308 Model 100, which is a semi-automatic. Kinda reminds me of my first .22 Marlin semi. I believe it was the ol' Glenfield Model 60.

Oh, and not so much my opinion, rather than an observation of some study 15 years ago or so.

iSnipe

teedub31

The larger diameter of famed "brush busters" makes them more likely to hit brush and be deflected then their smaller caliber brethern. The only way to avoid deflection is to not hit anything.

Carpmaster

Funny things can happen, the angle could have deceived you though....

bowfly

bullets amaze me everytime i shoot and harvest deer, just like everyone is saying, they do strange things once inside.

i once shot a large doe from my treestand holding for her neck, at the shot, she dropped in her tracks. beautiful entrance, no exit...skinning her that evening, i find my mushroomed bullet lodged in her (to me at the time) far back leg. stranger yet, no damage to the guts, but under her backstraps the "fish" were destroyed.

magic? perhaps

JLaFave

I was out hunting last year and i shot a doe at 45 yard with a remington .270 and the bullet imbeded itself into the bone and i had a hell of a time getting it out of the bone.

skeeter 7MM

The opinion I referred to was the quote above. I wasn't asking about the study you mentioned but rather why you felt the 30/30 was better. Bullet or other???? It seems other!

iSnipe

Because first impressions in this situation usually brings the idea that something heavier pushes through obstacles better than something light in referring to deflection.

iSnipe