DS Shot His FIRST BUCK!
 

Talk to the buck and kiss my ass.

That's it. End of story. The rest is fluff. :violin:

Further comments pending...

iSnipe :biggrin:

That's awesome. Tell em congrats

It's all good! I'm just so happy the boy got one! :cool2:

Congrats to the boy... that is great...
600 yards!!! I couldn't make that shot!

Dad and brother said it was a once in a lifetime shot and he pulled it off! It was amazing! They also said that most people wouldn't believe it but they talked him through it and he sealed the deal and all 3 of them witnessed it with their own eyes! I found dad in the feild and he pointed to the tree behind him where he shot from and where the buck was shot. When I go back out tomorrow, I'll try to get a pic of the tree and feild if we have down time.

I was so proud of him! He even got his first buck before my brother and he's been hunting for years!!

Please take my post in the most constructive way possible.

I guess this turned out ok, but there's no way I would have let a beginning hunter take that shot. It's not responsible. He never shot the gun before, I'll be he never shot at a target at that distance with any gun, let alone shooting at something living, the list goes on.

You blame the gut shot on wind?!!? What about the fact that the shooter really had no earthly idea what he was doing? Heck, the wind may be the only reason he hit the deer at all. You'll never know. And then there's your boy being taught to take long shots in windy conditions in the first place.
Think about this, a 7mm zeroed for 300 yds will drop about 50-60 inches at 600 yards, that's 4 to 5 feet. A 10 mph breeze will push a 7mm bullet 2 feet at 600 yds. IMO, If you have to hold off the animal you are shooting too far. I can hear it now, "Aim about 4 feet high and a 2 feet to the left and you MIGHT hit him."

Look at it this way, what if his gut shot ended badly - a lost but very dead deer? How would you both feel then? Would he want to continue hunting? I would hope he'd feel badly but eventually shake it off and continue hunting, but what if he just quit? Bad hits can happen under the best of conditions, why risk it?

IMO, a young hunter should be brought along by folks that set the correct examples. Taking low percentage shots on game animals is not the right way, it shows a lack of respect for the animal. I'm pretty sure you can expect your son to want a 7mm of his own so he can continue to pop off shots and 600 yds and maybe even beyond. Heck, his first try turned out so well.

I know you're a beginner as well, but I think you probably do realize that perhaps it would be better to teach the kid to hunt, so he can get close to game, so his shots are basically slam-dunks. Leave the longer range shooting to the shooting range.

awsome my first deer was like 80 yards away with a 30-30 but now here i am 15 with a 7mag he is starten out with the big guns im tellen ya!congrats to both of ya!!!lots of deer meat 2

i agree 1000% WITH THE POSTER ABOVE ME. first off, congratts to your son, but that shot should have never taken place. congratts again, but please teach responsibble hunting and respect for the animals.

Yes, that's a great story! I'm glad for you and your son. Sounds like a great adventure. I know what's it's like being around someone who got their first deer.

As for the shot and aforementioned criticism, being one of experience with long distance shooting, I highly doubt the shot was close to 600 yards. When I shoot that far, it's either a pre-marked distance or I have an electronic laser range finder. For most people they don't know their range much beyond 250 yards.

As for my criticism, I believe long shots should never be taken at game, unless that range has been practiced enough to be proficient at it. Hard to argue with success. He put the bad boy down and that's that. LOL!

Congrat's to both of you Ava. Fun times.

Now we need to see YOUR picture of the deer you got! Don't mean to put any undue pressure on yah! :s4:

iSnipe

nice buck ,and glad that everybody is happy ...... BUT... the 600 yds shot no way ..get an electronic laser range finder and go back to the place where he shot the buck and take a reading ..i have shot caribou at 350 yds with my 300wsm .and let me tell u that is very far even when my scope is cranked to 10.5 and i have a SOLID rest for my rifle ..

He had two experienced hunters with him that felt confidant that he could pull it off. He was in good, responsible hands and I believe that if dad and my brother felt it was an impossible shot for him, they'd of both refused to let him shoot, no questions asked and the reason I say this is because my son tried to pull the 35 up on it and my brother said NO WAY IN HELL ARE YOU USING THAT! and told him if he wanted that buck, he had to use the 7 mag.

Maybe his chances of hitting it at such a great distance "were" slim but he sealed the deal even though he never shot the gun before. I think he did very well considering that buck limped 50 yards and passed away. My dad and brother were right there telling him to put some daylight on him. He listened to everything they told him to do and didn't just do a willy nilly on it.

Your constructive critisism is taken in the best possible way. The deer died rather quickly and the two adults in the situation imho did everything they could to make sure he killed it. I trust them with him and I am 100% confidant that they will continue to teach him and have taught him the importance of being a great sportsman.

It all ended as planned and for that, we are all satisfied with the way it was taken. Yeah, it may have ended badly in other circumstances if he didn't listen to them but it didn't because my dad and brother, between the two of them, weighed all the risk involved before handing that gun over to him.

thats a great first buck. congrats to him

def wasnt 600 yards but congratulations

Congrats to your son! 600 yards... probably not. If it was I agree with the posters above that the shot should not have been taken. It was not responsible on anyone's part who was in there regardless of their experience. Anyone ever hear of spot and stalk?? Get closer and make a sure shot. Don't just close your eyes and cross your fingers. Again, it turned out well this time but next time it probably won't go so good. Until then, good luck to you and enjoy that deer meat!

You're getting there, but you still don't fully get it.

Your son is a new hunter, he should not hear the words "Just put some daylight on him" when being coached through his first shot on a deer. It's my opinion, but if you have to aim off the animal, that is too far. Contrary to what you believe about your father and the boy's uncle (your brother?), they are not teaching your son to be a responsible hunter. That is not to say they are bad people, they just need to adjust their perspective a bit. Rather than suggesting that the 35 was not the right gun, the uncle should have suggested that they try to get closer to the deer, so the shot could be taken from a range that he has practiced at.

600 yards. WOW. Thats a long way. Takes a good shot to hit that, even with a 7 mag.
BigBuck95 :cool15:

Very Nice Deer and Story

I have to agree with others here. Don't mean to be a downer, but unless that boy practices that shot at 600 yards, it was very irresponcible of him, and espeically the adults present. Just taking a poke at an animal is a sad state of affairs.

I do shoot long range. And I do practice over 500 yards, and without ranging the animal, and using either mildot or target turrets, I wouldn't shoot this far.

Hey guys. Let's not beat a dead horse here. While I think luck had a big role in this situation, it's a done deal. Let's not lose focus of the thread and that was to share a moment in time about a successful hunt. I think the message of what we all think is clear and any more of the same is just over-doing it and ruining the moment.

A trigger was pulled, a buck went down! Anything else during that time, whether it be right or wrong, I'm sure is being more aware of now and the points are understood.

iSnipe

congrates to the kid first and formost. i didnt want to get involved in this but i couldnt hold back.
i really hope it was not a 600 yard shot. i just do not believe that is an ethical shot for someone who has
1. never shot a deer
2. never shot that gun
3. and its 600 yards
not trying to start a war but this is not how i would want my kids to be taught how to hunt.
congrats to the boy

Too me, it wouldnt' have been a proud moment knowing I just vollied a shot 600 yards and got lucky. I have killed some nice deer with my bow. And the moment was ruined by a femorial artery shot where was too impatient to wait for the perfect shot. Sure, deer died instantly, but I wasn't proud.

It more than just about the kill IMO.

Via Signature Line:

I find your post ironic, given your signature line... How is your post imparting grace to the young man whom this post is about? Don't you think after he's read over SEVERAL posts all saying pretty much the same thing, that he gets the point by now?

How is adding your .02¢ to what was suppose to be a happy occasion shared here, edifying this young man?

Wouldn't in be corrupt words if said young man has already heard your tune several times before and now it is only adding fuel to an existing fire?

iSnipe

Congrats' on a fine first deer! May he have many more happy and successful returns from the whitetail woods.

Another thing for some of you brainiacs out there...

You should have read the post on top that is "Sticky" by Father Forkhorn entitled Another way to ruin hunting...

Some of y'all will maybe then learn how your gracious posts have contributed to this young man's "suppose to be" fun times.

iSnipe

No, because honestly, I don't think the original poster actually gets it. If he actually got it, then sure. I have the right to say how I feel.

I sure don't mean to offend you or hurt your feelings as much as I have, but honestly, it doesn't sound like you get it either. How old are you?

You're the one who doesn't have a clue what's going on.

You're a hypocrite. Your post does absolutely NOTHING to this post. As far as hurting my feelings... Please, what a low-wattage thing to say. LOL!

And you know darn well I'm spot on in my questioning as you tried to duck it, but I'm right.

Go read Father Forkhorn's post. You definitely need some more learning to do.

iSnipe

A good question is, why are so upset over this? Why do you feel the need to make this some huge big deal on here? I the right to say my piece. I said my piece, not to you, but to the poster. Don't talk to me, talk to him.

It's post exactly like yours who's made this young man's supposed happy times turn into crap. Look how many ***** like you who have said pretty much the identical things! How many times do you think he needs to hear the same old thing?

And why are you ducking my question Mr. Quote-The-Scripture Man? Just answer my questions! LOL!

Why do you feel the need to duck my questions? You know I'm right.

iSnipe

I'm talking to you Mr. Quote-The-Scripture Man because YOU quoted me FIRST!

So back at you with your "Don't talk to me, talk to him" BS.

iSnipe

Again, I posted to the original poster. I don't know how many people said what I said or not. I have no interest. I didn't post to you. I posted to him. What have you done to deserve a reply to anything? You join in Sept, and you feel you deserve answers? I don't think so. Who are you again? How old are you?

Why do you persist to duck my questions? You think through your mere rhetoric I'm going to lose sight you are not answering my questions?

They're good questions too, Mr. Quote-The-Scripture Man.

You quoted me FIRST Mr. Quote-The-Scripture Man. Now I'm going to finish it, since you brought it upon yourself to address me FIRST.

As far as joining, you think now that people who join later than yourself are subordinates? Probably so. LOL! And as far as my age, old enough to know enough scripture to not be a hypocrite... and old enough to fire you in any of my businesses just for your inability to stay on topic... and that is to address my questioning! I have a forum of a few thousand in a different outdoor industry and am a member of several forums, all adding valuable input to the OP wanting help. Of which your posts have contributed what? Not much.

And you didn't address the orig. poster when you quoted me Mr. Quote-The-Scripture Man! You quote me, you address me.

You and your grandiosity of attitude thinking others who have joined later than you are subordinates is extremely distasteful and unappealing.

iSnipe

You ever thought possibly, your not worth answering? If you continue to come at me like a 20 teen year old, kid you will continue to be treated as such.

The original poster is the proud mother of a 13 year old boy. They are both just learning how to hunt for the first time and she was excited to share a joyous time in her and her sons life. They are both now hunters for life and will look forward to hunting season every fall. The only ones that they have to learn from is her father and her brother, and us. Whether you agree with what happened or not it happened, and criticizing them now will only cause them to not want to listen to us. If you really want to help and turn these two beginners into "responsible hunters", then you should use the upcoming year to encourage them to buy a rangefinder, and to practice shooting at very long distances. Everyone should just think back to their first deer and how they felt, don't ruin it for this kid. He was just doing what his grandfather and his uncle told him to do, and he pulled it off. Congrats DS, nice buck!!!! :happy0001:

bigcountry,

Whatever. You mean nothing to me, but an embarassing Mr. O'preaching hypocrite.

iSnipe

Ridge, go you know where, ***-****!

iSnipe

This has turned into waaay too much of an ethics commitee. He was with two veteran hunters who truley believed that he could make the shot, and obviously he COULD!!!! So why don't we stop judging the shot and start praising the deer. DS, nice buck man

I seriously doubt it was 600 yards, but if it was, then I've gotta go with BC and RR (who's taken shots at twice as far :party0007:) on this and say that there is no way that a new shooter with precisely zero trigger time should have attempted that shot. Heck, I'm a former Marine Expert Rifleman, I've shot with iron sights at 500 meters (that's 550 yards), but there's no way I'd tray this shot with my 257 Wby with its mil-dot scope, and it shoots flatter than the 7mm Rem Mag. It turned out ok, but let's face it, the kid got really lucky. Even a 25 yard range estimation error is roughly 7" of difference in drop. 600 yards is way too far to be guessing holdover and windage (with zero experience with doing either) when shooting at a live animal.

It's a great buck, and a very LUCKY shot, but it easily could have been a very poor shot. I'm happy for the kid, because it's not really his fault for doing what his dad and uncle told him to. It's the adults in the situation I take issue with. They should have known better.

Mike