lets clear things up
09-20-2009, 08:24 AM
#31
You dont need any gadgets on TV to kill deer. If theres a comercial on it theres a 99% chance you dont need it.
You do not need any camo clothing to kill deer, camo doesnt really do anything being a deer is color blind, a guilli suit is really the only thing that works dependably. Why spend all that money on camo only to climb in a deer blind or pop up blind, a bow hunter in a tree stand is the only one that would benifit from camo, for you guys, the latest real tree camo or hardwoods or what ever theyre trying to push this week works no better than plain 'ol army camo, gun hunters need not worry about camo period, being that we are shooting from far off distances.
If you bait all you need is corn, plain 'ol corn, nothing else, nada nothing, zip, corn corn corn. No scent attractants, doe pees buck bombs cmere deers buck juices buck jams deer caine. Just corn corn corn.
A food plot is baiting, period! there will be no disscusion about it.
Any centerfire will kill a deer cleanly, again no discussion about it, this is my thread, I am god here. LOL
A cheap scope works well within the limits most hunters shoot. If you need a clearer scope to see under low light conditions chances are its way past legal shooting hours.
scent control is nonsense, you cant fool a deer with cover scent or any stupid product to wash your clothes in. Hunt down wind and you could smoke a cigar farting the whole time.
Scent lock suits do not work.
Whats this deer score threads are repulsive, if you want to shoot that deer and it makes you happy shoot it. Quit worrying about what a deer scores, thats not what hunting is about
Ok thats it for now, gotta go check the chicken on the pit.
Feel free to add to the list.
You do not need any camo clothing to kill deer, camo doesnt really do anything being a deer is color blind, a guilli suit is really the only thing that works dependably. Why spend all that money on camo only to climb in a deer blind or pop up blind, a bow hunter in a tree stand is the only one that would benifit from camo, for you guys, the latest real tree camo or hardwoods or what ever theyre trying to push this week works no better than plain 'ol army camo, gun hunters need not worry about camo period, being that we are shooting from far off distances.
If you bait all you need is corn, plain 'ol corn, nothing else, nada nothing, zip, corn corn corn. No scent attractants, doe pees buck bombs cmere deers buck juices buck jams deer caine. Just corn corn corn.
A food plot is baiting, period! there will be no disscusion about it.
Any centerfire will kill a deer cleanly, again no discussion about it, this is my thread, I am god here. LOL
A cheap scope works well within the limits most hunters shoot. If you need a clearer scope to see under low light conditions chances are its way past legal shooting hours.
scent control is nonsense, you cant fool a deer with cover scent or any stupid product to wash your clothes in. Hunt down wind and you could smoke a cigar farting the whole time.
Scent lock suits do not work.
Whats this deer score threads are repulsive, if you want to shoot that deer and it makes you happy shoot it. Quit worrying about what a deer scores, thats not what hunting is about
Ok thats it for now, gotta go check the chicken on the pit.
Feel free to add to the list.
dd
09-20-2009, 09:15 AM
#32
Fork Horn
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Effingham SC USA
Posts: 114
Cant really disagree with much of what youve stated other than this.
"A cheap scope works well within the limits most hunters shoot. If you need a clearer scope to see under low light conditions chances are its way past legal shooting hours."
You obviously havent hunted SC. One hour before one hour after and if you thing a 32 mm tasco is going to give you what a 50 mm Schmidt and Bender is going to give you, I'd suggest you quit speaking on optics.
"A cheap scope works well within the limits most hunters shoot. If you need a clearer scope to see under low light conditions chances are its way past legal shooting hours."
You obviously havent hunted SC. One hour before one hour after and if you thing a 32 mm tasco is going to give you what a 50 mm Schmidt and Bender is going to give you, I'd suggest you quit speaking on optics.
09-20-2009, 09:59 AM
#33
Fork Horn
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Effingham SC USA
Posts: 114
Just to re affirm.... I cant disagree with much else. I think the world of hunting has gone gadget wild. I have killed so many deer in a set of blue jeans, Nam era jump boots, shiny walnut stocked gun, red woolrich coat, with a marlboro hanging out of my mouth it would make most anyone stop and consider my methods successful.
IMO these gadgets are hope builders and confidence makers. Picture this a guy puts in his best effort at a hunt for a season and comes up empty handed. Obviously his woodsmanship skills have fallen short. How nice is it to think this year I will just buy some scent, buy some stuff to cover my scent and everything will come to head when that big buck walks out? It is a flat out attack on a hunters personal failure and it is SMART marketing. Hence why it is such a huge industry backed by a half dozen major tv networks. They are selling a dream to men that cant find it of their own means.
The woodsmen of the world have always known scent loc doesnt work. Any human scent in a deers nose is too much. The woodsmen of the world have always known that sitting still was equally as effective as any camo pattern ( in regards to deer at least). The woodsmen of the world have always known it was better to hunt an active breeding area than try to stink up the woods with product and create a fake one. The woodsmen of the world would never consider 450 bucks a great investment for a blind when you can simply sit still behind a brush pile and achieve the same result if not better.
Trouble is.......there are far more hunters out there than woodsmen. Save yourself the headache and stop worrying about what the hopefuls have to buy to give them enough false confidence to hunt in the first place.
IMO these gadgets are hope builders and confidence makers. Picture this a guy puts in his best effort at a hunt for a season and comes up empty handed. Obviously his woodsmanship skills have fallen short. How nice is it to think this year I will just buy some scent, buy some stuff to cover my scent and everything will come to head when that big buck walks out? It is a flat out attack on a hunters personal failure and it is SMART marketing. Hence why it is such a huge industry backed by a half dozen major tv networks. They are selling a dream to men that cant find it of their own means.
The woodsmen of the world have always known scent loc doesnt work. Any human scent in a deers nose is too much. The woodsmen of the world have always known that sitting still was equally as effective as any camo pattern ( in regards to deer at least). The woodsmen of the world have always known it was better to hunt an active breeding area than try to stink up the woods with product and create a fake one. The woodsmen of the world would never consider 450 bucks a great investment for a blind when you can simply sit still behind a brush pile and achieve the same result if not better.
Trouble is.......there are far more hunters out there than woodsmen. Save yourself the headache and stop worrying about what the hopefuls have to buy to give them enough false confidence to hunt in the first place.
09-20-2009, 11:45 AM
#34
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Kentucky
Posts: 1,253
Just to re affirm.... I cant disagree with much else. I think the world of hunting has gone gadget wild. I have killed so many deer in a set of blue jeans, Nam era jump boots, shiny walnut stocked gun, red woolrich coat, with a marlboro hanging out of my mouth it would make most anyone stop and consider my methods successful.
IMO these gadgets are hope builders and confidence makers. Picture this a guy puts in his best effort at a hunt for a season and comes up empty handed. Obviously his woodsmanship skills have fallen short. How nice is it to think this year I will just buy some scent, buy some stuff to cover my scent and everything will come to head when that big buck walks out? It is a flat out attack on a hunters personal failure and it is SMART marketing. Hence why it is such a huge industry backed by a half dozen major tv networks. They are selling a dream to men that cant find it of their own means.
The woodsmen of the world have always known scent loc doesnt work. Any human scent in a deers nose is too much. The woodsmen of the world have always known that sitting still was equally as effective as any camo pattern ( in regards to deer at least). The woodsmen of the world have always known it was better to hunt an active breeding area than try to stink up the woods with product and create a fake one. The woodsmen of the world would never consider 450 bucks a great investment for a blind when you can simply sit still behind a brush pile and achieve the same result if not better.
Trouble is.......there are far more hunters out there than woodsmen. Save yourself the headache and stop worrying about what the hopefuls have to buy to give them enough false confidence to hunt in the first place.
IMO these gadgets are hope builders and confidence makers. Picture this a guy puts in his best effort at a hunt for a season and comes up empty handed. Obviously his woodsmanship skills have fallen short. How nice is it to think this year I will just buy some scent, buy some stuff to cover my scent and everything will come to head when that big buck walks out? It is a flat out attack on a hunters personal failure and it is SMART marketing. Hence why it is such a huge industry backed by a half dozen major tv networks. They are selling a dream to men that cant find it of their own means.
The woodsmen of the world have always known scent loc doesnt work. Any human scent in a deers nose is too much. The woodsmen of the world have always known that sitting still was equally as effective as any camo pattern ( in regards to deer at least). The woodsmen of the world have always known it was better to hunt an active breeding area than try to stink up the woods with product and create a fake one. The woodsmen of the world would never consider 450 bucks a great investment for a blind when you can simply sit still behind a brush pile and achieve the same result if not better.
Trouble is.......there are far more hunters out there than woodsmen. Save yourself the headache and stop worrying about what the hopefuls have to buy to give them enough false confidence to hunt in the first place.
09-20-2009, 12:16 PM
#35
Nontypical Buck
Thread Starter
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Texas
Posts: 2,695
Cant really disagree with much of what youve stated other than this.
You obviously havent hunted SC. One hour before one hour after and if you thing a 32 mm tasco is going to give you what a 50 mm Schmidt and Bender is going to give you, I'd suggest you quit speaking on optics.
You obviously havent hunted SC. One hour before one hour after and if you thing a 32 mm tasco is going to give you what a 50 mm Schmidt and Bender is going to give you, I'd suggest you quit speaking on optics.
Your comparing a 32mm to a 50 mm. Not fair. I know a lot about hunting in the dark. We are allowed to hunt pigs at night here in Texas. I know the difference between cheap and expensive and expensive scopes do nothing to improve my success. I have busted tons of hogs at night with that 4x16x44mm Tasco that cost a whopping 79 bucks. I have since upgraded it to a 4x16x50mm Mueller with red dot. Perfect for pitch dark. My cost another whopping 209.00 bucks.
But if a 2000.00 swarovski scope makes you feel good go for it.
A fool and his money are easily parted. not me and my money.
09-21-2009, 08:54 AM
#36
Fork Horn
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Effingham SC USA
Posts: 114
Your comparing a 32mm to a 50 mm. Not fair. I know a lot about hunting in the dark. We are allowed to hunt pigs at night here in Texas. I know the difference between cheap and expensive and expensive scopes do nothing to improve my success. I have busted tons of hogs at night with that 4x16x44mm Tasco that cost a whopping 79 bucks. I have since upgraded it to a 4x16x50mm Mueller with red dot. Perfect for pitch dark. My cost another whopping 209.00 bucks.
But if a 2000.00 swarovski scope makes you feel good go for it.
A fool and his money are easily parted. not me and my money.
But if a 2000.00 swarovski scope makes you feel good go for it.
A fool and his money are easily parted. not me and my money.
Sorry I just can't sign onto your thinking on optics. The rest not a problem which I think is a pretty generous statement considering you have attacked numerous issues that get heavily debated often.
09-21-2009, 09:24 AM
#37
Spike
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 39
Not fair ? How so ? Would it be because the larger reticle scope is inherently more expensive? More expensive because there is more put into it so it PERFORMS better in low light? Ahhhh sorry friend in this case a few more duckies buys you actual performance in the field you can count on. How long and reliably you can count on it often times depends on the quality of the piece of equipment. Thats where you separate yourself from 79 dollar disposable scopes and start looking into high dollar optics. You see friend, not only do I want better in the field performance, but i expect it to continue to work . I got a junk drawer full of beater tasco/simon/bushnell scopes that havent lasted a lifetime. On the other hand I am the proud owner of three Leupolds that continue to serve me well year after year, regardless of travel weather, or light. I am not a 2000 dollar scope man myself, but I can assure you the difference between a 79 dollar wally world scope and a 600 dollar Leupold is light years.
Sorry I just can't sign onto your thinking on optics. The rest not a problem which I think is a pretty generous statement considering you have attacked numerous issues that get heavily debated often.
Sorry I just can't sign onto your thinking on optics. The rest not a problem which I think is a pretty generous statement considering you have attacked numerous issues that get heavily debated often.
09-21-2009, 09:58 AM
#38
Fork Horn
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Effingham SC USA
Posts: 114
10-4 that math works out great if your equipment shows up to hunt every time. But when I travel to Idaho at great expense for travel, license, tags, ect I sure as heck dont want to lose two days in the field over a cheap scope that wasnt up for the chore. Or after dropping a couple grand on a land lease, a few hundred more on stands, and countless days scouting, preparing and hoping for a chance a whopper buck only to miss it because the paralax in my scope is floating on every shot. Or spend a week hunting a buck that comes out during legal but in such dim light I cant see it through my scope... Or climb to the top of a deep ravine ready to put the crosshairs on a monster only to see my scoped fogged from the inside...
You guys keep buying your cheap glass. All of the above examples are why I have a drawer full of junk scopes and three that go on every hunt with me.
You guys keep buying your cheap glass. All of the above examples are why I have a drawer full of junk scopes and three that go on every hunt with me.
09-21-2009, 10:58 AM
#39
Spike
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location:
Posts: 96
People always get pissed at me because I have a bad habit of breaking things down.
All of my guns are what I believe to be the best quatlity for the money. Same with my optics. I have never spent over $200 on a scope, and I never will. Fact is, I am 100% confident that I can out shoot half the "hunters" in the woods at 100 yards with my open sight 1960's 30-30 lever action no matter what gun they are holding and what scope is sitting on top of it. BUT, I have worked hard to become the best marksman I can.
I do buy good hunting cloths!! I don't care about patterns, but I do care about comfort and quality, and those two things don't always come cheap. Especially when it comes to foul weather clothing.
As for bait....I can't comment. I hunt public land exclusively, and have never baited an animal, unless you call tracking deer to where they feed and waiting for them there "baiting".
As for scent control, about all I do is wash my cloths in a purfume free detergent and clean with a scent free soap. I hunt in Southeast Louisiana and it is really hard to hunt "down wind" when the air is still and stagnant. Sometimes here it can be November and you will be in 80 degree heat with 90% humidity and not a leaf on the tree moving. Of course, if I do have wind then I will use it to my advantage.
All of my guns are what I believe to be the best quatlity for the money. Same with my optics. I have never spent over $200 on a scope, and I never will. Fact is, I am 100% confident that I can out shoot half the "hunters" in the woods at 100 yards with my open sight 1960's 30-30 lever action no matter what gun they are holding and what scope is sitting on top of it. BUT, I have worked hard to become the best marksman I can.
I do buy good hunting cloths!! I don't care about patterns, but I do care about comfort and quality, and those two things don't always come cheap. Especially when it comes to foul weather clothing.
As for bait....I can't comment. I hunt public land exclusively, and have never baited an animal, unless you call tracking deer to where they feed and waiting for them there "baiting".
As for scent control, about all I do is wash my cloths in a purfume free detergent and clean with a scent free soap. I hunt in Southeast Louisiana and it is really hard to hunt "down wind" when the air is still and stagnant. Sometimes here it can be November and you will be in 80 degree heat with 90% humidity and not a leaf on the tree moving. Of course, if I do have wind then I will use it to my advantage.
Last edited by stancel; 09-21-2009 at 11:02 AM.
09-21-2009, 11:36 AM
#40
?DD