Be glad they don't come to you area and hunt. Because when they do you will see a mass exodus of hunters looking to kill all the big bucks follow. The majority of which couldn't tell a 2yr old from a 6yr old so they kill whatever walks, crawls, or wonder's by. I have hunted 2 region's in the Midwest where this is or has been the case and causes nothing but TROUBLE for the local hunter's AND landowner's. TRUST ME!!! You don't want them to come to your honey hole.

I'm with Lee on this . When I was real young I kept passing on does and my grandpa said to me why are you passing on them does ? I said grandpa I can't tell how big they are from way up here . He said 1st look for nubs on there heads and if there no nubs then 2nd look at how long the nose is if its short let it walk then 3rd he said look for some gray on the nose and the bone structer mass you can tell he said harvest the older 4 or 5 year old does they only have 1 fawn in spring and the younger 2 to 3 year old does have 2 sometime 3 fawns in spring . But that still stays with me today with bucks to my bigges buck is a 150 class buck I harveted . But I'm close to I39 and some get hit by cars and some bucks get some funky antlers when they get a tap from a car the antlers go wrong like if the deer gets hit on the right side and lives the left side come out over ther faces or only one antler come up on the left and the right is ok . but thats the type of deer i've been harvesting the last few years .

I hear ya on some of that, but frankly, the last thing I would have to worry about is a mass exodus of hunters to where I hunt. As long as choppers and planes are not allowed to drop 'em in, my 20.000+ acres is safe. In fact, the state constitution prevents it from happening.

In fact, I will give them a STANDING INVITE right to my area. Number 1, they wouldn't except, Number two, there is an 8-9 out of 10 chance they wouldn't be successful, and not because the 4 1/2-5 1/2 yr. old buck aren't there. They would have to undertake DEERHUNTING much over deer SHOOTING.

I say let the show people have at it. I don't begrudge them for what they do. I will say, to answer those who ask " wouldn't you do the same if you had a chance ": I can honestly say no, and I hope I never get to the point of " killing for profit ", regardless of the game, or prostituting my self for a product. This is not a slam to guides and such that bust their arses for clients, and to those folks, I apologize if taken that way.

This post amuses me and interests me at the same time. I have a couple of thoughts to contribute.

1.) I don't have a problem with "professional hunters" having financial compensation for the use of their products.

2.) I do think that the celebrity hunter loses some credibility when they act so "passionately" about a specific product. I would rather them be completely honest and say something like, "This year, I am shooting a PSE because they are my sponsor this year."

3.) I think that technology and production has come to the point where most production bows are capable of being efficient hunting bows. With that said, who cares which one is best? I shoot a Hoyt because I like it and I paid for it. However, if someone was to offer me financial compensation to shoot another brand, I would accept their offer, provided I could shoot it accurately.

4.) I remember an article about a record book AL deer. The original pictures of the deer showed the hunter in military fatigues. He was at his truck at the gas station all sweaty and happy. The posed pictures showed him in a branded camo pattern. The article was clear to say that he was wearing said brand of camo. However, my gut told me that this was all wrong. I can't prove it and don't really want to, but I can't help but think that that part was added with some compensation. I just don't think that he changed out of his branded camo to put on military fatigues to get his first pictures taken with that buck. Since then, I have avoided that brand (even though I like it) because it is just too deceptive. Why not just sponsor him after the fact.

4.) Some of my favorite videos are some old vhs tapes I have of some guys in GA ...I think their names were Bobby Tucker and somebody Shirah.... They were awesome.

Just be honest. Don't be deceptive. Lots of products work.

if you were on tv hunting and getting all the perks they get u would be doin the same thing. Thats part of getting sponsors is advertizing their product. thats just part of the gig.and ur not gonna be able to watch hunting on tv or video and not see that

I do understand about the sponsorships. I do have some shows I like better than others. But I do like them all. The hunting shows are my past time. I live in an area of central florida where the deer are tiny. They are all covered in parasites/ticks. It never gets cold enough to get rid of them. Everyone i've talked to who has lived here for years says it a waste of time to deer hunt here. I lost my job and cant afford to travel for a hunt, so for now all the shows will take place of my hunting season.

Isn't that what television is all about! no one really wants to see a NY hunt unless its from an awesome piece of property and a trophy deer harvested! If these shows were anything less we would be complaining about how much money the host makes from the products they indorse and should be taking trophy deer. I enjoy seeing these big mid-western trophys taken, gives us common folks a measuring stick to shoot for. Any thing less would be like going to a dragstrip and see two mini vans line up. Not very profitable!
The trick is keep yourself grounded, most know this is television and reality is what it is in the area you hunt!

A trophy in some areas may be an inferior animal in other parts of the U.S. but still considerd a trophy never the less!

Like many wise people have said before I think there is a slight jealous streak running here. Well I am not going to give the satisfaction any longer so see everyone later.

well said. didn't drury's do a show about a farm in upper NY on their Biologic show a few years back? So there are HUGE deer there if they took the time to film a whole season there.

Like is said before stop shooting the young deer. Shoot the bucks that are 4 and older. Its easy to tell their age just look for a pot belly and normally they walk stiff legged. These are all true trophy deer no matter if it scores 120 or 180. you just out witted the smartest deer in the woods when you kill him.

It may be a personal truphy but it is not and never will be a profitable television trophy.

If they were considered trophies by the "pro" hunters then they would be hunting in areas like Florida, California, Carolinas, Maryland, etc... etc...


I am all for people getting paid for what they do. It is the constant selling out that really gets me. It happens in all facets of business and it's gotta stop. No one can believe a personality when they speak any more. They may as well be pussing bull crap from their butts when they speak.

Brand "X" is the best bow on the market. And then the very next season it is Brand "J" that is the best, then two or three seasons later it becomes brand "A". For no other reason than one brand is willing to pay more than the other brand.

They may have started out with good intentions but for the major players the bottom line is that...
*There is no honesty or loyalty what so ever in most of these shows.
*It is all about greed and making the money and setting aside your morals just so they can pedal the lastest wonder product.

Hey Kid,I could'nt agree with you more. This chick seems to have way to much time on her hands. EVERYBODY knows that the best Whitetail hunters in the country are the guys who consistently take nice bucks off public land. At the same time,I don't know one of them that would'nt jump at the chance to hunt BIG midwest bucks on private land if they had the chance. She needs to remember that ANTIS check these sights regularly,and they love nothing more than to see this kind of negativity in our ranks.....Don't be a hater girl,get back in the kitchen and get my supper ready!:violin:Just kidding.....I like lady hunters. Really I do!

So those of you that hate a show because of sponsor change's cant tell me that the manufacturer's can't improve someone else's product or improve on their's to make it better than the competition? If this is true, why don't we still drive model A's? You cant pass judgement on a T.V. personality because they switch product's. If they kept the same sponsor's forever you'd get mad because they weren't trying the latest and greatest that you seen or heard about. "Why don't they use what everyone else uses?" So it sounds to me like they are danged if they do or danged if they don't.

As far as the Drury Bros. go, it appears to me that PSE has caught and passed everyone else including Matthew's and Bowtech (which i currently shoot and love!!!). If you don't like the shows don't watch'em, and most of all don't B!+(# about them.


IMHO!!!:rock:

Right on sister! And the rh160hid moron is a moron.

If I'm going to set in front of the T.V. and watch someone else kill a deer it better be a big-un, I dont really care what name brand they indorse as long as its a fair chase hunt and the hunters carry their self in a professional manner to promote hunting!

TV is and always will be about the fastest athelete, the biggest prize show, the prettiest actress, the funnest comedian, You think hunting shows should be any diffirent....not hardley!

Try and make your own hunting show, I can assure you, you will jump on the first sponsor that comes along. Anything to help out financialy and help get your name out there you'll jump on. And if you do hit the high life they'll always be those jealous critics saying he turned his back on what got him where hes at, when in reality its not about staying where you were at but being the best you can be.

The trophys I takel may not be TV statis trophys but they are my trophys and after all.....WHO REALLY CARES ITS JUST TV!!!!!!!

I like it when Mike Wadell gets his freak on and goes crazy shooting does !Thats fun to watch I don't care if theres antlers or not . I just wish I could watch Lee from the CRUSH harvest some does .Insted of all his big bucks he harvests . Or Tiffny That would be cool to see to .

Many of you sound like a bunch of jealous HACKS! Fact is Greg Miller could probably hunt circles around 95% of the folks on here and TV to boot. He is the only one I see regulary use topo maps to try and TEACH what the heck is going on regarding deer movement. Go back and read some of his books written years ago on tactics that most people hadn't ever heard of at the time, this guy, more than most knows what the heck is going on. Problem is now we have a bunch of armchair/internet experts, that think because they know where the scapes appear in the back forty every year they know what the heck is going on!

These people are always on the go Ohio, Iowa, Illnois, Missouri. If most of you had 4-5 days to arrow a 140+ buck in a place you'd never seen you'd have better luck if you listened to a guy who lived there RIGHT. They are no different except they are under extreme time pressures i.e. need to get good footage quickly and get over to Kansas to get more footage then need to get to Illnois, then Ohio. They need to hit the ground running period.

They don't go to place like NY or NJ because the hunting in those states stinks, I don't want to see a video with 120 bucks, I want to see 140+ because thats what I like to shoot. If you happen to live in a state like NY, NJ, Penna etc with a bunch of dinks if your hunting means that much to you grow a pair and move someplace with good hunting, but in the meantime QUIT CRYING!

I thought making $ was the American way? How much they get paid, what they shoot, what they endorse is their business and I doubt they would still be making videos/TV shows if they were loosing $10M per episode.

And no we can't all kill big deer CONSISTENTLY, because some of us can't hold still, some can't keep quiet, some can't shoot period, some can't shoot under pressure and the list goes on and on.

Don't hate because these people live your dream, either make it happen or quit crying!

Yes Greg Miller is awesome to . I beleave he lives in Buffalo county , A freind of mine bought some land in Buffalo county there is just unbeleaveable big bucks up there . I love to hunt up there when I get a chance . I been wondering what Pat Reeve has been doing any body see any thing from him lately ?

[QUOTE=Bone_Collector;3430707] As for Lee and Tiffany, I think one of their families had farm land in Iowa and Lee was an engineer (real job) he took a risk and quit to do the TV deer hunting show. He worked his butt off to do the food plots and let the deer get big so that they could film them hunting big bucks.
Don and Candy Kiskey were farmers in Iowa and liked to hunt and got into the whole food plot/letting the little guys walk phenomenon and started doing a TV show, then they got together with Lee and Tiffany and the rest is history.
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I agree with your post, and i also promised myself i would not write on this one again, but I cannot help it. The Drury's are the pioneers of the DVD world, I will give them that, kudos!
As far as the fact that Lee and Tiffany and the Kisky's all HAD land to begin with - and in Iowa no less - is a huge step up in the hunting world. If I wanted, really wanted a tv show, I would most likely have quit my job too and given the land and food plots and management, etc. a go. However, I don't even own my house or truck yet, lol, so i guess that's out of my realm.
I also know certain people on here think I am jealous. The fact is, I do not want and have never wanted a tv show. My husband used to talk about having one all the time and I always said no thank you. I like my life the way it is - well okay, I would rather own my house and truck and not have monthly payments to worrry about - but for the most part, I am happy. I cannot wait to get in a tree stand and hunt - we have WAY too many does around here and I haven't had venison in a while:) I sit and watch the does out in the field from my dining room window and thoroughly enjoy it. I think whitetail deer are beautiful animals, and I thank God for creating them. I will watch "my" deer and sell off all my Drury DVD's. I used to live in the Bronx and had to wait to get in a stand to maybe see some deer, but now, I look out my window and there they are. What a sight?
You can have your bows and stands and calls and anything else that pays you money to use, but i will go and try all the bows and pick the one that I like, same goes for everything else, stands, etc. I wouldn't want to be told what to shoot. But again, I do not have nor want a show. I do not believe one word that comes out of any of their mouths as far as hunting products, how could any intelligent person believe them when they change so often? God gave me a brain and I will use it to pick my own. They go where the $ is and that's all there is to it. Someone else on here mentioned Ted Nugent and his silly hawking of products, but he has always hawked the SAME products - there's a slight difference. I also agree with the post on Greg Miller, he does teach a lot of hunting tactics, so i agree with that poster.
As far as jealousy, think what you want. When I shoot my first doe of the season, I am posting her on here for all those regular hunters out there who hunt for the sheer enjoyment of it and nothing else.

Can anybody tell me what happened to that invention of the Drury's called the Wildlife Eye? I think that's it anyway:)

If you dont like it, change the channel. End of story.

I could care less if they do their hunting homework or not or if they are really good hunters or not. They have the right to put these shows on TV if people want to watch them, but to me these shows are pretty much worthless. My biggest fault with them is that they have created a deer hunting world where antler size is given way too much importance. Deer hunting is supposed to be a relaxing enjoyable past time and if acquiring the biggest antlers possible is the only motive behind it than I surely can't see how it can be very relaxing OR enjoyable.

Kolpin made the wildlife eye for them-as far as i know it is no longer sold. My guess is that not only was the unit too expensive but then you had to put a video camera in it. I think it was just too expensive for people to use. They were also VERY big and bulky. Now most normal trail cams take video clips, therefore no need for that big expensive unit. Now they use reconyx cameras.

This is just my opinion.The hunting industry has grown leaps and bounds because of people like these guys.You can't really blame them for all the stuff they push,It's their sponsors and sponsors are what let them do what they do.Mark and terry (Drury) are probally 2 of the nicest guys you can meet,They have a TON of guys that work for them,Thats how they can find all those big bucks you see them hunting,Plus it helps out alot that Terry has farms in the BIG BUCK state of Iowa and Mark has land in Missouri,They have a VERY strict QDMA program on all their properties and that helps out alot,And NO they probally could'nt come to any of our properties in Ky and harvest deer like you see them harvest all the time on tv,But if they had the land for 2 or 3 yrs they would.It takes a little self control to let them grow bigger,We have been doing this for 3 yrs now and let me tell ya it is starting to pay off.Everyone can hate the people in the industry but with out them our sport of hunting that we ALL love would not be where it is today.Just my opinion.



HOPE EVRYONE HAS A SAFE SEASON.

1) On most shows in general it is all one big commercial for the products they hawk

2) yes I am jealous and would do it in a heartbeat to make a living doing something I love

Very well said.

Pimps and whores... indeed! That being said, I respect the guys that do NOT sell out every year! One year its Hoyt writing them the checks and they swear they are the best of the best and then the next year PSE wants to write 'em an even bigger check... so of course,.. PSE is the best bow now! :confused0024:

I can respect the guys that say what they mean and mean what they say.... however, the Drury's are no longer those kind of folks! :happy0001:

I'm new to this site and so far I'm enjoying hanging out here. If you would like to hear a interview with Mark Drury, he will be my guest on my weekly radio outdoor show. He is scheduled to be on my show October 3rd, Saturday morning at 7am. If you live within a 100 miles of Mattoon IL. tune into 101.3 WMCI or listen on the internet at www.downriveroutdoors.net (click on the WMCI LOGO), or catch it later in the week when it is loaded on the website.Like them or not, hope you can get a chance to listen.

i would say they have to get paid although a lot of us would be happy to do it for free just to be able to keep all that equipment they use

Seriously people of course they are going to try to sell their product on their shows. They are playing the game of life. I wish I did what they do. It doesn't make them bad people because they want to make money. They started from the ground up just like most of us. Any ways.....they are ok in my book. As long as they keep on doing what they do for catch a dream, I can't bash them.

Man guys I have to post here they did not get to the top over night. I know how hard they all work and I have met some truley genuine people. So what if they have endorsements this is what they do for a living. I would be doing the same thing. You can't tell me that they don't still enjoy the thrill of the hunt. I think alot of the Drury Brothers. Who would not want to trade places but I can tell you I am sure their lives are full of headaches that you don't see on camera. The more money you make the more headaches you have. You can't tell me if you were in their shoes that you would not consider some of the things that they are doing.

We turned off the tv years ago. The kids had it the hardest but I took them out to the store and we picked out a weeks worth of board games card games and whatever else they wanted to play, something new each night.

With the new broadcasting I couldn't even if I wanted too.