i bait and am not ashamed about it
12-10-2008 | 12:46 PM
#31
Boone & Crockett
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From: Southwest Ohio
RE: i bait and am not ashamed about it
Of course, one could make the argument that most areas of the U.S. have been devoted to agriculture for generations. So, to the animals, a cornfield is just as much a part of their natural environment as a logged over brushy area that provides their bedding area.
12-10-2008 | 03:29 PM
#32
Fork Horn
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From: SW Virginia
RE: i bait and am not ashamed about it
Personally, I don't believe that baiting falls within the definition of "fair chase." But, be that as it may, baiting is illegal in Virginia. That does not, however, stop members of the local hunt clubs from driving boldly into their leases duringdeer season with piles of ear corn on their pickups.
12-10-2008 | 05:13 PM
#33
Nontypical Buck
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From: Texas
RE: i bait and am not ashamed about it
ORIGINAL: superstrutter
I think Texas is one of the exceptions of seeing good bucks at feeders during daylight hours.
ORIGINAL: Lanse couche couche
I have several family members who have hunted Texas ranches where feeders were used. They all said the same thing, that they had their choice of any number of big bucks clustered around the feeder during daylight hours. No need to be ashamed if it is legal. But, it is what it is.....
I have several family members who have hunted Texas ranches where feeders were used. They all said the same thing, that they had their choice of any number of big bucks clustered around the feeder during daylight hours. No need to be ashamed if it is legal. But, it is what it is.....
Who would rather dove hunt over a feeder or over a 1000 acre milo field, not me I would take the milo field. Food plots are 10 times more productive than a feeder. get over it already.
12-10-2008 | 07:29 PM
#35
Giant Nontypical
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RE: i bait and am not ashamed about it
Two debates really get deer hunters going...Hunting deer with dogs and baiting...
What's so interesting is that hunters that haven't done either have strong opinions about them...
You would think that we were talking about spotlighting deer at night and killing them when in fact we are just talking about another
manner that is legal in certain areas...Let me repeat LEGAL in certain areas...
I've often thought that it would sure be easy (cheating actually) to be able to hunt deer with snow on the ground...It sure would make it easier
to see where the trails were...In fact, it should be illegal to hunt deer when the ground has snow on it...
All you would have to do is set by the
trail and wait for a deer to come by...Since we seldom have snow on the ground here in NC during deer season, I haven't been able to test my
theory, but it sure sounds easy...That's how baiting is...Sounds easy, but it isn't necessary that way...
I have 3 family farms that we raise corn, soybeans, peanuts, wheat and cotton on...Total acres about 850...We kill 40-50 deer a year on these farms to help control the population so the crops aren't decimated...One week this year, we killed 18...We DON'T bait here, no need to...When I put a hunter in a stand I tell him "Do not leave this stand until I come pick you up"...So, deer are shot, then after dark, or when deer are out of the field, we go pick them up and clean them...It's pretty simple, if you don't let guys walk around the field and spook the deer, you will see deer when they move...
Now, I live about 4 hours away from these farms, so I lease land locally to hunt...Different situation...In this part of the state there is little farming...The area I lease is about 350 acres, we have a field, but I'm not allowed to plant a food plot, so I hunt white oaks, persimmons, grapes, honeysuckle, etc...This year we are covered up with acorns, corn is rotting on the ground, I haven't put out a kernal, it would be a waste...But, I've seen deer by hunting the trails close to 2 cutovers...
Last year was different, no acorns to speak of...I started putting out corn (15 pounds spread with a lawn seeder twice a week) in August...
Now, here is the problem...You have corn out, it's quitting time and you have 3 does under you eating...Leaving will spook them...Do this a couple
of times and they quit coming in until after dark...It's not like that corn in the woods is all they have to eat and they don't have to come in during daylight hours...
What I've learned while playing around with baiting for the past 15 years or so...Nothing beats natural food sources or crop fields...Deer typically feed through an oak flat while that bait can keep them hanging around too long, so it won't take them long to have the hunter patterned...In addition, more is not always better...20-30 pounds a week is enough to keep them interested, don't pile it, spread it...
I will say this, it is much easier to see and kill deer in an area with crops than in a area without...
So, sometimes I do, sometimes I don't...Kinda like fishing, sometimes I'm using a flyrod with a bass popper and sometimes I'm using a cork and a minnow...
What's so interesting is that hunters that haven't done either have strong opinions about them...
You would think that we were talking about spotlighting deer at night and killing them when in fact we are just talking about another
manner that is legal in certain areas...Let me repeat LEGAL in certain areas...
I've often thought that it would sure be easy (cheating actually) to be able to hunt deer with snow on the ground...It sure would make it easier
to see where the trails were...In fact, it should be illegal to hunt deer when the ground has snow on it...
All you would have to do is set by thetrail and wait for a deer to come by...Since we seldom have snow on the ground here in NC during deer season, I haven't been able to test my
theory, but it sure sounds easy...That's how baiting is...Sounds easy, but it isn't necessary that way...
I have 3 family farms that we raise corn, soybeans, peanuts, wheat and cotton on...Total acres about 850...We kill 40-50 deer a year on these farms to help control the population so the crops aren't decimated...One week this year, we killed 18...We DON'T bait here, no need to...When I put a hunter in a stand I tell him "Do not leave this stand until I come pick you up"...So, deer are shot, then after dark, or when deer are out of the field, we go pick them up and clean them...It's pretty simple, if you don't let guys walk around the field and spook the deer, you will see deer when they move...
Now, I live about 4 hours away from these farms, so I lease land locally to hunt...Different situation...In this part of the state there is little farming...The area I lease is about 350 acres, we have a field, but I'm not allowed to plant a food plot, so I hunt white oaks, persimmons, grapes, honeysuckle, etc...This year we are covered up with acorns, corn is rotting on the ground, I haven't put out a kernal, it would be a waste...But, I've seen deer by hunting the trails close to 2 cutovers...
Last year was different, no acorns to speak of...I started putting out corn (15 pounds spread with a lawn seeder twice a week) in August...
Now, here is the problem...You have corn out, it's quitting time and you have 3 does under you eating...Leaving will spook them...Do this a couple
of times and they quit coming in until after dark...It's not like that corn in the woods is all they have to eat and they don't have to come in during daylight hours...
What I've learned while playing around with baiting for the past 15 years or so...Nothing beats natural food sources or crop fields...Deer typically feed through an oak flat while that bait can keep them hanging around too long, so it won't take them long to have the hunter patterned...In addition, more is not always better...20-30 pounds a week is enough to keep them interested, don't pile it, spread it...
I will say this, it is much easier to see and kill deer in an area with crops than in a area without...
So, sometimes I do, sometimes I don't...Kinda like fishing, sometimes I'm using a flyrod with a bass popper and sometimes I'm using a cork and a minnow...
12-10-2008 | 07:44 PM
#36
Banned
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RE: i bait and am not ashamed about it
ORIGINAL: Ridge Runner
the main thing wrong with hunting over bait, is the fact that once baiting is legalized, the hunting part is slowly forgotten, today here in wv, there isn't a handful of hunters under 40 who can go out and hunt deer and kill one without the aid of a bait pile.
another reason, a guy buys 10 acres, he puts a 10 wheeler load of corn in the middle of it, he's holding the does, so the bucks are there also, his neighbor figures out whats happening so he puts corn and apples in the middle of his 10 acres, and another neighbor figures he needs a better bait pile so he uses corn, apples, and mineral salt, etc, etc.
whats lost here is, those who know deer, and they're habits, who spend time afield to pattern them, all is lost the day someone puts corn out, everything changes.
and a corn pile is the same as a 1000 acre cornfield? not hardly, in a agricultural area, the deer pics the when where, and how he goes to the field on a cornpile its the electical timer that calls the shots.
I don't like baiting or even hunting around it, its made hunters lazy, and opens alot of doors for what I view as not in line with what ought to be considered fair chase.
I get flamed alot cause if given the chance I'll shoot a deer at 700 yards, I'm told its not hunting, but is setting a treestand up within 100 yards downwindof a corn pile considered hunting?
don't be ashamed of hunting over bait if thats the best you can do, but don't swell up with pride to much, doesn't take much effort to hunt like that.
RR
the main thing wrong with hunting over bait, is the fact that once baiting is legalized, the hunting part is slowly forgotten, today here in wv, there isn't a handful of hunters under 40 who can go out and hunt deer and kill one without the aid of a bait pile.
another reason, a guy buys 10 acres, he puts a 10 wheeler load of corn in the middle of it, he's holding the does, so the bucks are there also, his neighbor figures out whats happening so he puts corn and apples in the middle of his 10 acres, and another neighbor figures he needs a better bait pile so he uses corn, apples, and mineral salt, etc, etc.
whats lost here is, those who know deer, and they're habits, who spend time afield to pattern them, all is lost the day someone puts corn out, everything changes.
and a corn pile is the same as a 1000 acre cornfield? not hardly, in a agricultural area, the deer pics the when where, and how he goes to the field on a cornpile its the electical timer that calls the shots.
I don't like baiting or even hunting around it, its made hunters lazy, and opens alot of doors for what I view as not in line with what ought to be considered fair chase.
I get flamed alot cause if given the chance I'll shoot a deer at 700 yards, I'm told its not hunting, but is setting a treestand up within 100 yards downwindof a corn pile considered hunting?
don't be ashamed of hunting over bait if thats the best you can do, but don't swell up with pride to much, doesn't take much effort to hunt like that.
RR
12-10-2008 | 08:32 PM
#39
Fork Horn
Joined: Aug 2006
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From: Maryland
RE: i bait and am not ashamed about it
I don't have a problem with baiting,
But "It is what it is" - shooting deer over a pile of corn.
I reserve the term "hunting" for other activities.
I have done both, and they are 2 differant things all together, can not compare the 2.
Slack
But "It is what it is" - shooting deer over a pile of corn.
I reserve the term "hunting" for other activities.
I have done both, and they are 2 differant things all together, can not compare the 2.
Slack
12-10-2008 | 08:33 PM
#40
Typical Buck
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From: Shawnee, KS
RE: i bait and am not ashamed about it
ORIGINAL: spruilldog
Bating is perfectly natural and nothing to be ashamed of. I first started bating at about age 12 or 13 and have continued to bate to greater or lesser degrees since then. Have never bated over a corn field or pile of corn but whatever works for you. Bating now for 20 years and have no regrets
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Bating is perfectly natural and nothing to be ashamed of. I first started bating at about age 12 or 13 and have continued to bate to greater or lesser degrees since then. Have never bated over a corn field or pile of corn but whatever works for you. Bating now for 20 years and have no regrets
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][][]I'm not sure if anyone caught what you are saying but let me be the first to say you are one sick puppy spruilldog.