using bait
10-27-2008, 07:48 PM
#5
Member
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: SW Michigan
Posts: 79
RE: using bait
I use bait; I just don’t haul the bait to where I hunt! I hunt an apple orchard with Corn fields on 3 sides and a couple of chestnut trees thrown in for fun. Is there really a difference between the tons of bait I use and the guy who drags a 50lb bag of corn to his hunting spot?
10-27-2008, 08:40 PM
#7
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Ponce de Leon Florida USA
Posts: 10,079
RE: using bait
Bait, to lure or entice. Seems to me that would include corn, sex lures, food plots, agriculture fields, mineral licksand a whole lot of other items. I don't have any problem with it.
10-27-2008, 09:35 PM
#8
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Michigan
Posts: 1,673
RE: using bait
They just banned baiting here in Michigan and ill be honest, its a somewhat tough transition. Im not saying I CANT hunt without bait, but when it was legal, why not use it? I know a lot of guys are either not hunting because of it or are having a lot of trouble seeing deer now.
I dont have a problem with baiting.
I dont have a problem with baiting.
10-27-2008, 10:34 PM
#9
Typical Buck
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 879
RE: using bait
Hmmmm , I,d say to lure or to baithavetotaly different meanings .
Bait would be apple piles , carrott piles , or any food source that has been physical put there .
Lure is a scent that would entice a deer by its smell to either sexualy arouse him or cause him to want to see who the intruder is .
I dont have a problem with either as long as you State law allows it .
I just think that someone using a bate pile or feeder that shoots a book buck should be under a separate class ..
As someone not using bate .
Bait would be apple piles , carrott piles , or any food source that has been physical put there .
Lure is a scent that would entice a deer by its smell to either sexualy arouse him or cause him to want to see who the intruder is .
I dont have a problem with either as long as you State law allows it .
I just think that someone using a bate pile or feeder that shoots a book buck should be under a separate class ..
As someone not using bate .
10-28-2008, 06:47 AM
#10
Spike
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 39
RE: using bait
First let me say I live in Mo where baiting is illegal. That said if it were legal I would do it. I have discussed this on several other forums and have enjoyed all the input both pro and con. IMO using bait is no different than hunting over a 1 or 2 acre food plot. Before everyone starts telling me how wrong I am hear me out. I am not against food plots, I just feel hunting over any food source is baiting. I know many will disagree. They will say all the effort to prepare the land,fertilize,sow the seed,etc. and the fact that it will remain after the season means it's not bait. I must disagree. I don't think the amount of labor it takes to provide the food source should decide if it's bait or not. The same could be said about leaving an area of a corn field unharvested. Whether you pour it out of a bag or let it fall from the stalk it's still corn on the ground. Many will want to point out how hunting an 80 acre field of standing crop is not baiting since you can't control where the deer enter and leave. This is true but I'll bet you'll improve your odds by scouting which "highways" the deer are using and having a stand there. In my experiance most food plots are 1 acre or less. While they do grow out of the earth, the plants are not normally "native" and are chosen not just to benefit the deer but to attract them.
What about disease you may say. Won't baiting increase the concentration of deer into a small area thus increasing nose to nose contact perhaps increasing the transmission of disease. If that's the case why is it legal to feed deer the rest of the year? Do deer only contract disease during deer season? Of course not. Deer congregate naturally and use many communal sites(browse,mineral licks,water,etc.) and disease is transmitted in no greater numbers.
Yeah, well baiting "steals" away deer from other areas, depriving other hunters of an opportunity to take a deer. Really....don't we all try to draw deer in. We use scents and lures, food plots, man made licks, calls. All are used to drag deer in range. Many against baiting will also tell you bait is not a guarantee(when not tellingyou it makes hunting to easy) you will draw in a "trophy buck" and may turn the deer in the area into nocturnal feeders. Well I realize a large segment of today'shunters consider hunting a "sport" and use some scoring system to rate thier deer. I am not one of those. I am willing to take does,buttons,toe heads, what have you. If you wish to put limits on which deer you will take more power to you. I'm after meat.
IMO many of those opposed to baiting hate the idea that some practice they use is in fact baiting. They will tell you it's not ethical. I would relate a question I heard on another forum. A fellow owns two farms. On one farm he has a small apple orchard where deer eat apples that have fallen form the trees. If he sets up a stand and hunts over these apples he's fine. If however he gathers up those same apples and takes them to his other farm and puts them under another tree he's suddenly unethical. They're the same apples! Where's the difference?
As far as putting those "trophy bucks" into a different list. Boone & Crockett would consider a deer taken in a state where baiting is legal to have been taken within the rules of fair chase.
It is not my intention to pi$$ anyone off or to judge what practices they use. I am only hoping to show that if it's legal it's just another option that can be used to hunt.
I do have one question I have been unable to get an answer to on the other forums. I use a product called "Buck Snort". It's a non-nutritional gel that smells just like a food source(apples,sweet corn,acorns,etc.). My question to those who oppose baiting is it ok to use an attractant that smells like food but isn't and why. Thanks for any input
What about disease you may say. Won't baiting increase the concentration of deer into a small area thus increasing nose to nose contact perhaps increasing the transmission of disease. If that's the case why is it legal to feed deer the rest of the year? Do deer only contract disease during deer season? Of course not. Deer congregate naturally and use many communal sites(browse,mineral licks,water,etc.) and disease is transmitted in no greater numbers.
Yeah, well baiting "steals" away deer from other areas, depriving other hunters of an opportunity to take a deer. Really....don't we all try to draw deer in. We use scents and lures, food plots, man made licks, calls. All are used to drag deer in range. Many against baiting will also tell you bait is not a guarantee(when not tellingyou it makes hunting to easy) you will draw in a "trophy buck" and may turn the deer in the area into nocturnal feeders. Well I realize a large segment of today'shunters consider hunting a "sport" and use some scoring system to rate thier deer. I am not one of those. I am willing to take does,buttons,toe heads, what have you. If you wish to put limits on which deer you will take more power to you. I'm after meat.
IMO many of those opposed to baiting hate the idea that some practice they use is in fact baiting. They will tell you it's not ethical. I would relate a question I heard on another forum. A fellow owns two farms. On one farm he has a small apple orchard where deer eat apples that have fallen form the trees. If he sets up a stand and hunts over these apples he's fine. If however he gathers up those same apples and takes them to his other farm and puts them under another tree he's suddenly unethical. They're the same apples! Where's the difference?
As far as putting those "trophy bucks" into a different list. Boone & Crockett would consider a deer taken in a state where baiting is legal to have been taken within the rules of fair chase.
It is not my intention to pi$$ anyone off or to judge what practices they use. I am only hoping to show that if it's legal it's just another option that can be used to hunt.
I do have one question I have been unable to get an answer to on the other forums. I use a product called "Buck Snort". It's a non-nutritional gel that smells just like a food source(apples,sweet corn,acorns,etc.). My question to those who oppose baiting is it ok to use an attractant that smells like food but isn't and why. Thanks for any input
