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Fellow Sportsman, Hello, my name is Rich Pearson and I have been active in the firearm rights movement for over 40 years. For the past 15 years, I have served in the Illinois state capitol as the chief lobbyist for the Illinois State Rifle Association.
I lobbied Barack Obama extensively while he was an Illinois State Senator. As a result of that experience, I know Obama’s attitudes toward guns and gun owners better than anyone. The truth be told, in all my years in the Capitol I have never met a legislator who harbors more contempt for the law-abiding firearm owner than Barack Obama.
Although Obama claims to be an advocate for the 2nd Amendment, his voting record in the Illinois Senate paints a very different picture. While a state senator, Obama voted for a bill that would ban nearly every hunting rifle, shotgun and target rifle owned by Illinois citizens. That same bill would authorize the state police to raid homes of gun owners and forcibly confiscate banned guns. Obama supported a bill that would shut down law-abiding firearm manufacturers including Springfield Armory, Armalite, Rock River Arms and Les Baer.
Obama also voted for a bill that would prohibit law-abiding citizens from purchasing more than one gun per month. Without a doubt, Barack Obama has proven himself to be an enemy of the law abiding firearm owner. At the same time, Obama has proven himself to be a friend to the hardened criminal. While a state senator, Obama voted 4 times against legislation that would allow a homeowner to use a firearm in defense of home and family. Does Barack Obama still sound to you like a “friend” of the law-abiding gun owner?
And speaking of friends, you can always tell a person by the company they keep. Obama counts among his friends the Rev. Michael Pfleger - a renegade Chicago priest who has openly called for the murder of gun shop owners and pro-gun legislators. Then there is his buddy Richard Daley, the mayor of Chicago who has declared that if it were up to him, nobody would be allowed to own a gun. And let’s not forget Obama’s pal George Soros - the guy who has pumped millions of dollars into the UN’s international effort to disarm law-abiding citizens.
Obama has shown that he is more than willing to use other people’s money to fund his campaign to take your guns away from you. While a board member of the leftist Joyce Foundation, Barack Obama wrote checks for tens of millions of dollars to extremist gun control organizations such as the Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence and the Violence Policy Center. Does Barack Obama still sound to you like a “friend” of the law-abiding gun owner?
By now, I’m sure that many of you have received mailings from an organization called “American Hunters and Shooters Association(AHSA)” talking about what a swell fellow Obama is and how he honors the 2nd Amendment and how you will never have to worry about Obama coming to take your guns. Let me make it perfectly clear - everything the AHSA says about Obama is pure hogwash. The AHSA is headed by a group of left-wing elitists who subscribe to the British view of hunting and shooting. That is, a state of affairs where hunting and shooting are reserved for the wealthy upper-crust who can afford guided hunts on exclusive private reserves. The AHSA is not your friend, never will be.
In closing, I’d like to remind you that I’m a guy who has actually gone nose to nose with Obama on gun rights issues. The Obama I know cannot even begin to identify with this nation’s outdoor traditions. The Obama I know sees you, the law abiding gun owner, as nothing but a low-class lummox who is easily swayed by the flash of a smile and a ration of rosy rhetoric. The Obama I know is a stony-faced liar who has honed his skill at getting what he wants - so long as people are willing to give it to him. That’s the Barack Obama I know. Sincerely, (original signed) Richard A. Pearson Executive Director Illinois State Rifle Association

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Yeah he did, and if you werent listening or didnt comprehend, you must not bepaying attention to one of the most important elections for sportsman in the last 24 years.

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Nobama

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From my cold dead hands.

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yea he did say something, you should probly go back and read this if you havent already. i know i am just a kid and you may not think i know much about the presidential stuff but I am extremely concerned right now. One, this country is in a huge economical mess of trouble right now. My family and i are feeling this first hand. my parents retirement funds have now lost more than $20000. we cannot do near as many things as we used to as we are in desperate need of saving money. my dad and i cant even afford to buy new hunting supplies. Two, obama is going to hurt this counrty sooooooo much if he wins this election. I have done some researching myself to find out if these things that people are saying about him are true, and guess what, they were! I dont feel like typing anymore so here is my point. If Obama wins this election, we, sportsmen are in trouble. He WILL NOT do as he says and protect the second ammendment. I doubt he will do anything he claims to do as his previous senate votes tell something different. I would rather not have to end my hunting career because of him so please just do not go for Obama.

NOBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!
NOBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!
NOBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!

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Well I am an undecided voter, so if you could let me in on how this man is going to hurt our country "soooooooo bad" and how the other guy will help us out soooooo much, please clear it all up for me so I can make an informed decision.

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lol...not again...

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If this thread no longer makes sense it's because I embarrassed myself in the first response and have now edited it!:)

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all i can say is if he get elected and passes a bill alowing police to take my guns by force when i havnt done anythin wrong...there gonna have a hell of a time gettin them or me.... can u whistle "Dixie" boys??:D

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[8D] please note how i never said that "the other guy" will help up soooooo much more, i just stated that Obama will hurt us:)

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yeah but it doesnt matter what obama thinks its the senate that will be the final deciding factor on gun control.

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Haha alright I can buy that! We're in some trouble regardless.

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point being im sure almost any president can find a way to get a law passed????

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Actually, no. That's due to our system of checks and balances. You're not going to see a change to the Constitution regarding gun rights. Guys, your gun rights will not be changing under Obama. What will be changing, however, is the backwarddirection of our country that has taken place under the last eight years.

John McCain is a good man and can be admired on many things but his tax policy is a direct continuation of trickle down economics. His health care plan loses coverage for many Americans. He wants to continue to spend 10 billion dollars per month in Iraq. Most importantly, the election of McCain weakens our image and alliances abroad.

Barack Obama is a good man as well. His tax plan works. I'd be willing to bet that many members of this site would benefit from his plan. His health care plan is revolutionary and fixes many of the problems that people currently face. He wants to be out of Iraq. Colin Powell supports the man. Is there a better endorsement?

I am the father of an eight month old boy. I trust Barack Obama to make this country and this world a better place for him to grow up in.

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my vote was already determined several months ago...this onlystrengthens my decision...

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not that i trust ads....check thhis one out
http://www.gunbanobama.com/default.aspx?NavGuid=00bdd116-898f-4f21-8e99-a68a40642560&t=Hunters

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i think w/ Obama we will be sol before you know it. as far as those checks and balances go that u refered to, the only thing that will be able to stop his changes to the constitution will be the judicial branch and i just dont see them goin against obama, cause he will have the other brach sowed up w/ demoncrats :D

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"Demoncrats"? I think you need to check the Republican party's history of racism and prejudice before you break that one out. I'm not here to point fingers, though. There are fine people in each party, both candidates included.

Furthermore, while I believe gun rights are important, there are FAR more important topics for me. Our economy, the war in Iraq, our foreign policy in general, health care, our education and our dependence on foreign oil are more pressing issues. No one is even bringingup gun control as an issue.

But if you want to bring up the Supreme Court, I would have you look at the ruling the Court issued in January of this year. For the first time in over 70 years, the Court ruled on a gun control issue. The Court ruled that the Second Amendment “protects an individual right to keep and bear arms for such activities as hunting and self-defense.” This was a decision authored by Justice Scalia, one of the best conservative judicial philosophers in American History.

Gentlemen (and Ladies), your gun rights will not be changing under Obama or McCain. Your decision should therefore lie in matter other than gun control. For my family, Senator Obama is the correct choice for President.

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And what proof do you have that he's a good man? He did very little in Illinois and he's done nothing great in the senate. And his character and choice of relationships is very questionable. He has no real leadership experience.

His taxplan is horrible! SPREAD THE WEALTH!! Why should people that have worked hard and made smart decisions and built a business pay more taxes than someone who for example decided to drop out of school and make minimum wage. It is already setupin thetax brackets that the more you make the more you pay. Obviously if you give a 10% tax cutto everyoneit's going to seem like the rich get a big break but its no bigger % than the guy that make minimum wage. Its not rocket science!



Have you seen what Obama and his wife make? They are not in touch with the middle class!



I don't think that the gun control will be changed but with the other elections that are up and more than likely the democrats taking charge it will become an issue.

As far as the economy is concerned the worst down turn happened with Pelosi and her clan in charge o0ver the last 2 yrs! Barney Frank said that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were fine as late as July 142008'.

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I am on the fence, they both suck ass as far as I am concerned. I just find it hard to believe that a "president" wants the banner of actually trying to re-write history hanging over his head. Is anyone actually that stupid?

I think if anyone ever tried to make it Illegal fornon criminals to own guns and take them from your home by force would become the next JFK in about .2 seconds, not only that, we wouldhave a civil war of sorts, cause I know I would protect the very rights my Dad and Grandfather fought for while serving in the US military, and if that meant going out in a blaze of glory, so be it.

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i doubt it will ever happen but they will not be able to take my rights and definitely not my guns that have been passed down in my family for so long from me. not happening....:D

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If you have children mainly daughters, look at Obama's votes for allowing your teenage daughter to cross state lines and have an abortion and you never have to be informed!

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I really believe our gun ownership rights will be okay even if Obama is elected. That certainly doesn't mean I'm voting for Obama.I am not too crazy about either choice for President, but McCain seems to bethe lesser of two evils. I don't trust Obama, period. I'm not sure if McCain can get us out of this econonic downfall, but I'm willing to take my chances. I just believe there are too many skeletons in the closetfor Obama.

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Oh, Hammerman, where do I start? I believe Obama is a good man because of what he has said. I believe he is a good man because, like me, he is a Christian. I believe he is a good man because I have seen the way he looks at his daughters. I believe he's a good man because in the middle of the election, he has canceled his rally dates in order to be with his dying grandmother.

No real leadership experience? You must be referring to the exact same amount of leadership experience that Abraham Lincoln had when elected. And in case you forgot, he did alright by Illinois.

Do you really believe this entire economy is the result of two years of Democratic leadership under Pelosi? You must be enjoying that kool-aid my friend.

In regard to the Hammerman Tax Plan, are you that naive? Have you really looked at it? I'm assuming you're not Warren Buffett, the richest man on Earth, because he is endorsing Obama's plan. If he thinks he's paying too little, doesn't that tell you something? I'd love to tell you that we all get to pay the same amount, but that's not realistic. It's not how money works. Unfortunately, someone has to pay more, in this case, it's the upper class- you know, the ones who aren't struggling to make ends meet.

Finally, in regards to the wealth of Mr.and Mrs. Obama, do you really want someone from the middle class to be President? Now here's where you have to be careful, Hammerman. Obama was born into the middle class. He was raised by a single mother and two grandparents. He WORKED his way to success. Isn't that something we look for in a leader?

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History or racisim?!?!?! are u serious i mean what party in America doesnt have a history of racism... before you start talkin bout the Republican's history of racism please divert your attention to 1860... im sorry and i hate to bring this up but up until a few decades ago it was the other way around but suddenly the republicans gained some sense and the democrats somehow lost their way on someimportant subjects and have gone from warlords to anti-war nutjobs, dont have an idea on the economy(of course nobody does right now) and ofcourse this is a generalization and i know pleanty of democrats that are great ppl but as a whole party they seem like Alabama fans(again in general) and bring out the worst in everone and have the worst ideas.

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You always know when it's getting late a the lodge when the discussions go from pre-rut strategies to politics.

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is he? He sure did drop his church and pastor of 20yrs when the media got on him! Doesn't sound very dedicated, surely you don't believe he attended there 20yrs and didn't know what the pastor believed! Here's a qoute from Obama to CBN news:

"I think that the right might worry a bit more about the dangers of sectarianism. Whatever we once were, we're no longer just a Christian nation; we are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers. We should acknowledge this and realize that when we're formulating policies from the state house to the Senate floor to the White House, we've got to work to translate our reasoning into values that are accessible to every one of our citizens, not just members of our own faith community."

How do we as Christians change our "reasoning" into values that fit everyone? It can't be done and still be in line with the BIBLE. Truth is always the truth never changing.

You believe everything you hear and see on the news? I hope not.

What person in their right mind wouldn't do this? And as I write this the media is making him out to be a hero for doing this!


So the company or relationships he has don't matter to you? William Ayers, Tony Rezko, Louis Farrakhan to name a few.


Everyone says he has the experience, Powell said he had the economic experience , fine show me!


I never said pay the same amount! I said whats wrong with the same percentage? Or even whats wrong withthe current tax bracket where the more you make the more you pay. I own a remodeling business in the suburbs of chicago and met with my accountant today. I found out that under Obama's tax plan I'm considered wealthy, I assure you I'm not wealthy. I see no reason that beacause I busted my butt over the years to build a business I should have to pay a higher % of my income so it can go to a bunch of lazy people claiming welfare! Just because you live in America doesn't give you a right to live off the government but it will under Obama because he'll "spread the wealth"!


Not all of it some is Bush and some goes all the way back to Clinton, but as recently as July 08' Barney Frank said that nothing needed to be done with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac said they were fundamentally sound the democrats had a chance to avoid some of this mess.


His great health plan was tried in Hawaii and didn't go so well. If I can get insurance at anytime despite preexisting conditions why should I pay for it until I need it? That doesn't work, it's a plan for failure for insurance companies. Also if he gets it passed and it forces these small businesses to pay for insurance you'll see a lot businesses close or lay people off. I can't just go and raise my prices to homeowners, I'll have to cut somewhere which would be jobs! Burdens like these and all the other taxes is why so many business leave the states.

Obama's never worked like a middle class person. He's had his way paid for along time. Why won't he talk about how he went to these high class colleges and allhisconnections there and how he paid for it?

WestPalm you've been out in the sun too long:D

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Im pretty concerned he is going to win..........but Im gonna vote no in the hopes "we" can pull out a win

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[quote]ORIGINAL: westpalmdude

do you have a problem with someone in the middle class being president? Why would you. A person in poverty could be a better choice than him. Why do you think you have to be high class to be president?

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Anyone who is seriously concerned about this needs to take a parenting class ASAP. Let me get this straight, you're worried that your daughter will get knocked up by some dude who will drive her across state lines for an abortion, and all the while you are unaware? That really doesn't sound like an Obama issue to me...

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Isn't there a forum on here just for politics?

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It all comes down to three simple letters - JOBS! Thank you Joe Biden forreminding us that eventhe bottom of the class can aspire to be just "one heart beat away" from becoming chief and commander.

Bill Clinton had barely sat his butt checks in the oval office chair and he slapped a ban on semi autos. By the time Obama done chopping up the 2nd Amendment, we'll all be hunting with squirt guns.

Obama promises to spread the wealth. But remember, before a man can first spread, he must first take; and take he will!

Stop listening to what the man says, and start researching what he has done! The hands will always manifest whats in a mans heart; or another way of saying it is,"you shall know a tree by its fruit".

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The only thing i dont agree with Obama on is his stand on gun control....

McCain thinks health care costs 5800 bucks a year on average...He wants to Tax Health Care...

Ive pretty much come to the conclusion that if you vote republican then you are extremely wealthy (and i understand that), racist (were not all perfect), a gun advocate (i cant see how a vote can hang on 1 issue like this),or just extremely stupid (the majority)....

Even the extremely wealthy who were scared of the last democrat to threaten their money i have one question for you...Hows your money doing these days??? Hows all those lucrative investments treating you??? Hows those real estate investments panning out??? Hows your interest rates??? Obama is condemmed for having a socialist view of our economy, while McCain wants to buy up banks bad housing loans...Its the same damn thing.

When the middle class has money they spend it. Joe the plumber is an idiot and will never make $250,000 a year no matter how many toilets he lifts or sewers he snakes. I have been in business for over 10 years with my father and he has been in business for over 35 and we arent broke yet. I can assure you we as small business owners paying 1,200 a month (each)in hospitalization for our familiesare not voting for a republican...

Sarah Palin is the poorest excuse of a politician i have ever seen. Her husband was a member of AIP which was an organization in Alaska lobbying to make Alaska its own country....Thats a patroit right there...Its all spin...John McCain is a robot and his wife has more botox in her head than Cher...

Everyone is worried about Obama taking your money....Everybody has been taking my money for the past 8 years. Oil Companies, Grocery Stores, Theres no interest in banking, ect...What exactly is gonna change...I would gladly give money to the government in taxes if i knew that it would help the good of the country and maybe start a program to help your kids become better educated, or build a car that runs on water.....Your money isnt really safe no matter who is in office...

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If it's not an Obama issue why did he vote for it!?

I've talked with my accountant and an Estate attorney and under his plan it's not if you make 250k its if your business grosses 250K. In my business that can be one contract. I just wish someone would've told me before now that I was wealthy.

So how does Obama's experience make him qualified to be president but Palins experience doesn't qualify her to be VP? He's all talk with nothing to back it up.

Everyone enjoy Obama as president, I look forward to seeing him walk on water because thats how he's portrayed in the media he's our saviour in these hard times.

I'm done here. Go vote everyone!

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[quote]ORIGINAL: Foofer

It all comes down to three simple letters - JOBS! Thank you Joe Biden forreminding us that eventhe bottom of the class can aspire to be just "one heart beat away" from becoming chief and commander.






JOBS is four letters idiot

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If you have friends or family in the military that have been hit with the long deployments and war the last 7 yrs you know who to vote for. If you want the President working on issues in the U.S. and not be the world's police you know who to vote for. There are much bigger issues right now besides what kind of gun you will be abe to hunt with.

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I have friends that have been deployed for a long time and they will say Vote for your rights because that is why they are over there.
that is why I say Vote McCain

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I seriously think anyone who looks around the country, and is paying attention at all, and STILL wants to vote for mccain is a complete and utter moron.

How can anyone look around and say you want 4 more years of this? Sarah Palin is an idiot. I love this quote from Matt Damon:
"I need to know if she really think that dinosaurs were here 4,000 years ago. I want to know that, I really do. Because she's gonna have the nuclear codes."

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No one will take my guns. If they ever try, there will be another Revolution. Too many people wouldn't give them up, and then we'd start our own Revolution.