do small rubs equal small bucks?
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do small rubs equal small bucks?
Hi,
Man, I am hunting in Ohio and have heard a deer running through the woods that sounds like a horse my last two times out but haven't seen it yet. However, when I goto where I hear him I see small rubs on trees. Nothing that would make you go "whoa, this deer has to be a monster". So do small rubs (small rubs on small trees) mean that this deer has a small rack?
Man, I am hunting in Ohio and have heard a deer running through the woods that sounds like a horse my last two times out but haven't seen it yet. However, when I goto where I hear him I see small rubs on trees. Nothing that would make you go "whoa, this deer has to be a monster". So do small rubs (small rubs on small trees) mean that this deer has a small rack?
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RE: do small rubs equal small bucks?
you usually can tell by how the rub looks, if it looks small but has defined scratches in it, or lines, this is done by brow tines and hence not a small buck, of course could be a basket rack and not large in size, but can assure that it isnt a spike or 4 pointer...I have tracked a stalked 100's of bucks over small scraps and rubs...good luck
#5
RE: do small rubs equal small bucks?
ORIGINAL: Rory/MO
Big bucks can make small rubs, but small bucks cannot make big rubs.
Big bucks can make small rubs, but small bucks cannot make big rubs.
but like i said a rub really is a piss poor indication of how big a buck his. the best method for me when tracking is to look at the stride of the track and the width of the hoove. the legnth doesnt really mean much w/ me. ive tracked bucks that have long feet only to find a light weight spindley 6 or 8 pt staring me in the face. like tall lanky teenagers w/ size 15 shoes young buckj can have long toes. i also look at the stagger of the track. a big buck has a big chest, his track will be staggerd and toed out pretty hard.
the next thing ill look for is to see where the buck fed on some ferns or dug for some acorns or beech nuts and see where he stcuk his horns in the snow. thats a real good indicator of how wide and how many points he has. ill look for beds too, big bucks leave big beds. theres tons of sign i look for that i could ever possably list them all.
sorry i went on a rant but i get right into big bucks man! lol
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RE: do small rubs equal small bucks?
We have footage of a spike rubbing a 6" tree under our stand last year.
Generally speaking, the big aggressive rubs are made by big aggressive deer. I didn't see these monster rubs up in Michigan because a "Big mature" buck wasn't living in any of the areas that I hunted.
I also personally believe that the larger the number of mature bucks in an area, the more agressive the sign. They just have more reason to be "pissed" and have a bit more rage pumping in their veins.
I believe bucks rub for multiple reasons. First, to leave a scent post. Second, to work agression out of their system (same thing we humans do at the gym by pumping iron), and building strong neck muscles that will be used when fighting. Third, to remove velvet (early in the season). And forth, because they have a rack on their heads and they need to do something with it (bordom). Why some bucks only rub small trees, while others rub large trees; is just dependent on the individual deer. They are all wired a little different just like humans!
Generally speaking, the big aggressive rubs are made by big aggressive deer. I didn't see these monster rubs up in Michigan because a "Big mature" buck wasn't living in any of the areas that I hunted.
I also personally believe that the larger the number of mature bucks in an area, the more agressive the sign. They just have more reason to be "pissed" and have a bit more rage pumping in their veins.
I believe bucks rub for multiple reasons. First, to leave a scent post. Second, to work agression out of their system (same thing we humans do at the gym by pumping iron), and building strong neck muscles that will be used when fighting. Third, to remove velvet (early in the season). And forth, because they have a rack on their heads and they need to do something with it (bordom). Why some bucks only rub small trees, while others rub large trees; is just dependent on the individual deer. They are all wired a little different just like humans!
#8
RE: do small rubs equal small bucks?
ORIGINAL: WKP Todd
We have footage of a spike rubbing a 6" tree under our stand last year.
Generally speaking, the big aggressive rubs are made by big aggressive deer. I didn't see these monster rubs up in Michigan because a "Big mature" buck wasn't living in any of the areas that I hunted.
I also personally believe that the larger the number of mature bucks in an area, the more agressive the sign. They just have more reason to be "pissed" and have a bit more rage pumping in their veins.
I believe bucks rub for multiple reasons. First, to leave a scent post. Second, to work agression out of their system (same thing we humans do at the gym by pumping iron), and building strong neck muscles that will be used when fighting. Third, to remove velvet (early in the season). And forth, because they have a rack on their heads and they need to do something with it (bordom). Why some bucks only rub small trees, while others rub large trees; is just dependent on the individual deer. They are all wired a little different just like humans!
We have footage of a spike rubbing a 6" tree under our stand last year.
Generally speaking, the big aggressive rubs are made by big aggressive deer. I didn't see these monster rubs up in Michigan because a "Big mature" buck wasn't living in any of the areas that I hunted.
I also personally believe that the larger the number of mature bucks in an area, the more agressive the sign. They just have more reason to be "pissed" and have a bit more rage pumping in their veins.
I believe bucks rub for multiple reasons. First, to leave a scent post. Second, to work agression out of their system (same thing we humans do at the gym by pumping iron), and building strong neck muscles that will be used when fighting. Third, to remove velvet (early in the season). And forth, because they have a rack on their heads and they need to do something with it (bordom). Why some bucks only rub small trees, while others rub large trees; is just dependent on the individual deer. They are all wired a little different just like humans!
Also, and IMHO, more importantly, the big rubs are, in my expierence, located in wind transition areas: places where the wind suddenly and consistently changes directions. These are areas where the wind tends to betray the deer, and the big bucks know where it occurs. The scent/activity they create at these rubs will attract deer to those areas and the big bucks will clock that spot from a distance, especially during the rut, watching the other deer's reaction to judge the safety, then move in
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RE: do small rubs equal small bucks?
ORIGINAL: The Deer Destroyer
Big bucks rub on small and big trees, but small bucks don't rub on big trees.
Big bucks rub on small and big trees, but small bucks don't rub on big trees.