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skb2706 05-01-2008 12:49 PM

RE: ted nugent
 

ORIGINAL: Steve863


Teddy does this..........what do you do ? http://www.thekampforkids.com/
Is Nugent paying you to defend him here or something? What exactly does this camp do on a nationwide level to promote hunting to kids? This sure looks like nothing more than a local effort up in Michigan. They clearly state that they are a non-profit association that survive solely on donations from the public and businesses, so other than maybe help set it up, where is Nugent spending his own money to take kids hunting here? I also love the fact that Nugent idolizes and quotes Fred Bear all the time. In reality Nugent couldn't carry Bear's jockstrap in hunting skills or just about anything else.
Other than whine about him you do nothing for the goodwill of hunting or the public opinion of same.

ipscshooter 05-01-2008 01:03 PM

RE: ted nugent
 

ORIGINAL: Steve863


Teddy does this..........what do you do ? http://www.thekampforkids.com/
Is Nugent paying you to defend him here or something? What exactly does this camp do on a nationwide level to promote hunting to kids? This sure looks like nothing more than a local effort up in Michigan. They clearly state that they are a non-profit association that survive solely on donations from the public and businesses, so other than maybe help set it up, where is Nugent spending his own money to take kids hunting here? I also love the fact that Nugent idolizes and quotes Fred Bear all the time. In reality Nugent couldn't carry Bear's jockstrap in hunting skills or just about anything else.
So, you're going to dis him because Kamp for Kids is a local effort in Michigan rather than nationwide? It's a non-profit, but, that doesn't mean that Nugent isn't one of the donors. Chuck Norris has a non-profit that teaches martial arts in Texas middle schools. He funnels his earnings from Total Gym and from World Combat League into that organization.

And, I'm curious, how many times did you hunt with Fred Bear? Nugent's first time was when he was like 9 years old...

Charlie P 05-01-2008 01:06 PM

RE: ted nugent
 

Ted brings hundreds of kids to his place, on his time, at his expense to teach them about the outdoors, hunting and conservation every year.
He profits off his camp. or at leat he did by charging storage fees etc.

What do I do? Take my kid and other kids hunting. I'm recovering from major back surgery still wearing a clam shell brace and took my neighbors kid out for the youth Turkey hunt last weekend.

My state Reps no be by name and recognize me when I see them.

I also volunteer over 700 hrs a year to a Youth org.

Steve863 05-01-2008 01:27 PM

RE: ted nugent
 

So, you're going to dis him because Kamp for Kids is a local effort in Michigan rather than nationwide? It's a non-profit, but, that doesn't mean that Nugent isn't one of the donors. Chuck Norris has a non-profit that teaches martial arts in Texas middle schools. He funnels his earnings from Total Gym and from World Combat League into that organization. And, I'm curious, how many times did you hunt with Fred Bear? Nugent's first time was when he was like 9 years old...

No, I'm not dissing him for it, I am only saying that it is a far cry from being something that is benefiting hunting on a national level which is what SKB2706 is somehow trying to make us believe with his articulate one sentence statements.

No, I certainly never hunted with Fred Bear, although I have read a good many things about him. If at least some of the things I have read about Bear are true, then it would be a crime to mention him and Nugent in the same sentence in my opinion. If he somehow had the opportunity to hunt with Bear, it surely doesn't mean Nugent is of the same stature other than maybe in his own mind.



Paul L Mohr 05-01-2008 01:46 PM

RE: ted nugent
 
Ted isn't the only person that helps kids with hunting. I am sure, actually I am positive that some of the members on this very site donate time to JOAD and other youth archery programs. I myself help with a youth archery program in the winter, and I don't get payed a thing either. Heck some guys on here teach hunters education as well.

I have also written letters and made phone calls to my state rep as I'm sure others on here have.

Not all of us sit around and do nothing but whine about Ted. If we don't care for the guy we don't care for him, why is that so hard for you to accept? I've met him and know others that know him. In my opinion he's not very stable. Someone asked what we thought and we said it. I could lie if it would make you feel better.

Paul

ipscshooter 05-01-2008 01:48 PM

RE: ted nugent
 

ORIGINAL: Steve863

No, I'm not dissing him for it, I am only saying that it is a far cry from being something that is benefiting hunting on a national level which is what SKB2706 is somehow trying to make us believe with his articulate one sentence statements.
Nugent also appears regularly on talk radio programs nationwide and on nationally syndicated stuff like the Larry King Show and Politically Incorrect, probably speaking more on RKBA and in his capacity as a member of the board of directors of NRA than specifically about hunting.


No, I certainly never hunted with Fred Bear, although I have read a good many things about him. If at least some of the things I have read about Bear are true, then it would be a crime to mention him and Nugent in the same sentence in my opinion. If he somehow had the opportunity to hunt with Bear, it surely doesn't mean Nugent is of the same stature other than maybe in his own mind.
I don't think even the rather egomaniacal Nugent thinks he's anywhere near the same stature as Fred Bear. Based on what I've read, Nugent hunted with Bear a number of times, considered him a mentor, and greatly admired what Bear did for hunting in general, and bowhunting in particular. I don't see why someone would consider it somehow disgraceful for Nugent to quote things that Bear said.

SteveBNy 05-01-2008 02:59 PM

RE: ted nugent
 

ORIGINAL: skb2706

Teddy does this..........what do you do ?

http://www.thekampforkids.com/
Your link did not answer even one of my questions - it certainley did not show anything resembling ted supporting the place with personal money as you alluded - nor did it show "100's of kids" or the time frame in which these "100's" where helped.

Care to try again?
Or are you going to continue to support your worship of ted with soundbites with no proof to support them?

Steve (not Steve863).:D

skb2706 05-02-2008 07:30 AM

RE: ted nugent
 
The link offers proof enough for me.....beyond that I really don't care. I don't worship anyone. I do recognize a unsubstaniated rant of a subject that comes from the uninformed. Some people like him and what he does and some people don't for their own reasons. If you read what I wrote I merely stated that he does more for hunting and shooting sports than you do. You have not offered up anything you do for the sport so I will stand by what I said.

I don't offer soundbites ..............

SteveBNy 05-02-2008 07:55 AM

RE: ted nugent
 

I do recognize a unsubstaniated rant of a subject that comes from the uninformed.
So you can't prove 100's of kids and or teddies actual support.
And I am ranting unsubstantited and uniformed?:D:D:D

Make me informed - offer proof.

Another clue - what I or anyone else has done has zero bearing on whether or not teddie has done what you claim.
It is simply a diversion from one who cannot back their claims when called on it.

Steve

ipscshooter 05-02-2008 07:59 AM

RE: ted nugent
 

ORIGINAL: SteveBNy


ORIGINAL: skb2706

Teddy does this..........what do you do ?

http://www.thekampforkids.com/
Your link did not answer even one of my questions - it certainley did not show anything resembling ted supporting the place with personal money as you alluded - nor did it show "100's of kids" or the time frame in which these "100's" where helped.

Care to try again?
Or are you going to continue to support your worship of ted with soundbites with no proof to support them?

Steve (not Steve863).:D
If you wander around on tednugent.com, there is some additional info on Kamp for Kids. It's been in operation since 1989 for two weekends each summer. There's a picture of a group from one weekend in 2005 with about 65 kids in it. I think that he's probably had enough kids there on the other 35+ weekends that "100's" would be a pretty safe bet...

Frankly, I think it's a little ridiculous slamming the guy as hard as some here do. You might argue a bit about the manner of his presentation, but, the message is pretty solid.

skb2706 05-02-2008 08:14 AM

RE: ted nugent
 
.....beyond that I really don't care.

Steve863 05-02-2008 09:01 AM

RE: ted nugent
 

Frankly, I think it's a little ridiculous slamming the guy as hard as some here do. You might argue a bit about the manner of his presentation, but, the message is pretty solid.
Just like some of us find it ridiculous that there are so many hunters out there who think Nugent is a GOOD spokesman for hunting. From the various opinions here, he is obviously a polarizing figure amongst hunters, so for the life of me I can't see how non-hunters might take his message seriously. If a good many of us hunters are suspect of him, I am sure the general public is even more so, which to me does not make a good spokesman.

skb2706 05-02-2008 09:21 AM

RE: ted nugent
 
truce?

He is not my first choice as a spokesman. I am my own first choice. I do believe he tries to support us the way he can. Yes he probably makes money doing it but we can't eliminate or outcast everyone who makes money in the name of promoting shooting sports and hunting.

MC Bowhunter 05-02-2008 11:40 AM

RE: ted nugent
 
Actually you are wrong on this. Ted's first wife died in an auto accident soon after the divorce.I belive I heard that she got strung out on drugs after the divorce.By the way Ted had custody of the kids. He wasn't married again for a very long time. He did have a relationship with a woman for many many yearswho was pretty much a mom to his children. He did end up fathering a child with a woman he wasn't married too but he wasn't married when that happened. He has raised all his kids and I would say he did a pretty good job.

Ted is a performer, that's what he does for a living. No he isn't the best guitar player but he has the ability to write songs that have the so called "hook" that havemade them classics.
You can't tell me that he didn't get peoples attention when on tour with the Damn Yankees he would bring out his compound and shoot a target of Saddam while playing You Can Still Rock In America.I for one thought it was great!

Yeah he gets a little carried away sometimes. But I have seen far worst on other hunting shows that nobody says anything about.
My impression of Ted the few times I have spent with him was that I thought he was very down to earth. He just tells it like it is.

Charlie P 05-02-2008 02:06 PM

RE: ted nugent
 

He did end up fathering a child with a woman he wasn't married too but he wasn't married when that happened.He has raised all his kids and I would say he did a pretty good job.
Ted Nugent Ordered To Pay Child Support
June 22, 2005 5:18 p.m. EST
Douglas Maher - All Headline News Staff Reporter
Dover, NH (AHN) - Rocker/hunter Ted Nugent is ordered to pay child support to a woman he had a brief affair with in 1995.
Nugent will $3,500.00 a month to Karen Gutowski, who is the mother of the now 10-year old boy.
According to the Foster's Daily Democrat Newspaper in New Hampshire, Nugent was originally served with papers regarding the lawsuit while playing a show with ZZ Top at the Meadowbrook Amphitheater.
Gutowski will have sole custodial rights to the child, but no visitation rights for Nugent have been ordered as of yet.
Oddly enough, on Nugent's own website, it states the guitarist was named "Father of The Year". He has been married to his wife, Shemane, since 1989. they have four children together.
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MC Bowhunter 05-02-2008 02:54 PM

RE: ted nugent
 
Didn't know about this one. I don't agree with it but let's face it, Rock stars get a lot of you know what on the side. I'm sure his wife knew about his life style. But yeah it's pretty sad.

piketon_hunter#9 05-03-2008 03:49 PM

RE: ted nugent
 
Who are any of you to say that the Nuge is bad for the sport, what in the world could give anyone that idea??? just somethin to whine about i guess. the Nuge ROCKS, no ifs ands or buts.

GRIZZLYMAN 05-03-2008 04:17 PM

RE: ted nugent
 
I agree that the anti's should kiss my backside, but what I worry about is the 70-80% of the population (heard that last week in aIBEP class)that hasn't decided to be pro or anti hunting.

I think we need to present ourselves in a positive light, and I don't know if Nuge does that for us or not. Some of the good things that he does get overshadowed and invalidated when he tells "Hillary and Obama to suck on this" (which I do agree with this statement).

As far as what I do for the hunting community, I work around people that don't hunt, and I try to project an image for our sport that is positive and not act like a lunatic. I have spoken with some people about hunting in a calm, reasoned manner backed with facts. It seems to be somewhat effective, I think. I just don't have mass media exposure.

SteveBNy 05-03-2008 04:30 PM

RE: ted nugent
 

Who are any of you to say that the Nuge is bad for the sport, what in the world could give anyone that idea???
If you would actually read the thread, you would see the reasons why many don't like a self promoting hypocrite.

Steve

zachw 05-04-2008 06:22 PM

RE: ted nugent
 
He is a good guy who means well... He is just a lil over the top sometimes. He stands up for what be believes in. I admire that.

CCSD34 05-04-2008 09:00 PM

RE: ted nugent
 
I like Ted and enjoy his show. He is a little on the heavey side when it comes to the sponsers and I dont care too much forhis music video during the show.

Colorado Luckydog 05-04-2008 10:43 PM

RE: ted nugent
 

ORIGINAL: SteveBNy


Who are any of you to say that the Nuge is bad for the sport, what in the world could give anyone that idea???
If you would actually read the thread, you would see the reasons why many don't like a self promoting hypocrite.

Steve
Now he's a hypocrite also? Holy cow! I don't even like Ted that much. I sure don't like his music. I don't even really like his show. I do however like the fact that he loves America and he's not a left winged liberal! I like the fact that he speaks his mind, right or wrong. I love the fact, that if you cut him with a knife he would bleed red,white and blue. I'm still not going to buy his CD's, and I'm still not gonna watch his show, but at least he's not afraid to stand up to the anti's! I forgot who said it first, but the anti's can kiss my ass also!:D

Edit-Tuco get's the credit for telling the anti's to kiss his ass! Good job Tuco!:D

DWFan 05-05-2008 01:40 AM

RE: ted nugent
 
Man, I haven't heard suchconflict over nothing since the last time I read a Glock vs 1911 forum...or was it semi-auto vs revolver?....maybe it was single action vs. double action....or bolt action vs. semi auto?

The greatest ally the anti-gunners have is the fact that pro-gunners will argue amongst each other at the drop of a hat over the most trivial things but the majority don't even belong to the NRA, or eqivalent organization. You aren't going to change anyone who is anti-firearm/hunting if you can't set your own personality aside for a moment and allow everyone their own opinions and tastes.
I'm willing to bet more typing was done here than on any letters sent to any political figures protesting the latest gun legislation. Wake up people...while we sit and spend hours debating who is doing what for hunting...or which caliber is best...or even who makes the best chili....THE OPPOSITION IS GAINING GROUND.

Tuco 05-05-2008 05:17 AM

RE: ted nugent
 
Why, thank you Colorado Luckydog....you really can't reason with the anti-hunters, anti-gunners or the nature nazis.So I don't give them the time of day when they want to argue. They want you to think their way and no other, period.

timbercruiser 05-05-2008 06:45 AM

RE: ted nugent
 
If you made a list of famous personalities that speak up for the right to hunt, it would be a very short list. I'm not a fan of his music, but at least Nugent is in the position to speak out for the right to hunt and bear armsto a large audience. I do wish he would chose his words for his message a little better sometimes. The anti hunting crowd loves to see internet threads like this that divide their opposition.

SouthernStrut56 05-05-2008 03:10 PM

RE: ted nugent
 
Listen if all yall just use them balls you got and say he*@ no I will not give up my guns, they cant take us all to jail. If they dont start on the streets takin em from the thugs and criminals first, there aint no way they're gettin my arsenal. We'll just start a revolution, we need one dad gummit, it's been a long time since we've had one. How do you think all revolutions began, with one person, then 100, then 1000, then a whooole lot more. Dont worry about these little nancies runnin around tryin to take your guns, hold on to those guns when they come knockin on your door."Stick to your Guns". They cant take em from all of us, its just impossible. As the great Charlie Daniels said, "Yall take em away from the criminals first I'll gladly give you mine." I aint no criminal, except to the deer and turkey nations. And if Iwasnt part of a HUGE hunting community in the US controlling the increasing population, deer and turkeys would be piled up in thesecommunist anti's yards. And I have to say again, The Nuge is an excellent guitarist. If you dont like at least one of his songs, you're communist. He's wild, rowdy, and extremely ballsy, just what we need for a fresh revolution. In fact, I'm actually writing Uncle Ted in on my Presidential ballot this year. God be with us if that Muslim or Hillary set foot in the oval office. Yall quit arguin over what Ted does for us hunters, he's doing more than you.

shamlin 05-05-2008 04:30 PM

RE: ted nugent
 

ORIGINAL: SouthernStrut56

Listen if all yall just use them balls you got and say he*@ no I will not give up my guns, they cant take us all to jail. If they dont start on the streets takin em from the thugs and criminals first, there aint no way they're gettin my arsenal. We'll just start a revolution, we need one dad gummit, it's been a long time since we've had one. How do you think all revolutions began, with one person, then 100, then 1000, then a whooole lot more. Dont worry about these little nancies runnin around tryin to take your guns, hold on to those guns when they come knockin on your door."Stick to your Guns". They cant take em from all of us, its just impossible. As the great Charlie Daniels said, "Yall take em away from the criminals first I'll gladly give you mine." I aint no criminal, except to the deer and turkey nations. And if Iwasnt part of a HUGE hunting community in the US controlling the increasing population, deer and turkeys would be piled up in thesecommunist anti's yards. And I have to say again, The Nuge is an excellent guitarist. If you dont like at least one of his songs, you're communist. He's wild, rowdy, and extremely ballsy, just what we need for a fresh revolution. In fact, I'm actually writing Uncle Ted in on my Presidential ballot this year. God be with us if that Muslim or Hillary set foot in the oval office. Yall quit arguin over what Ted does for us hunters, he's doing more than you.
Honestly, man that is the most ingorant bunch of cliche BS. Why do we need a revolution? Who is going to fight in it you and uncle Ted, you think you and your buddies can put down the United States military. As far as Ted goes, that guy never asked to be the spokesman for a hunting, he is a good TV personality and I dont know much about his music. Thats it.

gmil6184 05-05-2008 04:52 PM

RE: ted nugent
 
Don't care for the fact that he hunts behind a high fence but other then that he is a tireless promoter of gun rights, hunting rights, and archery. He does a ton of work with kids, getting them involved in the shooting sports, hunting and the outdoors in general. Even though he is viewed by many (including hunters) as a bit of a hack, he at least is out there fighting the good fight. The surviving Nugent show was on VH1 or MTV (I can't remember which) and he was talking about the importance of hunting, how often do you think that message gets played on those stations? Also, if you don't love "Cat Scratch Fever" you are an a-hole! haha just kidding...kinda

wis_bow_huntr 05-06-2008 05:54 AM

RE: ted nugent
 
Teds a great guy. He stands for what he believes in. He beleives in our country and believes that everything on this earth has its purpose. I like the fact that he has a big place in his heart for the children and gets them involved. Especially the disabled. He shows them that they can enjoy the things of every day life and gives them the chance to do it with him and his family. Uncle Ted for President!

Kid 05-06-2008 08:00 AM

RE: ted nugent
 
Bottom line for me is, Ted does way more good than harm!

Steve863 05-06-2008 08:14 AM

RE: ted nugent
 
I've got to tell you all that I think hunting is well doomed if we have so many who think Nugent is good for hunting. Maybe it's the (young) age bracket of those on this forum, but I think our future is looking mighty bleak if this is how we want ourselves to be portrayed to others. As they say: " You make your bed and then you sleep in it ". Good luck thinking that Nugent is the man here, because you will need it!!



Tuco 05-06-2008 09:51 AM

RE: ted nugent
 
This is how i portray my self to non-hunters(not anti-hunters): When I get permisson to hunt on someones property, I leave it cleaner than when I got there, buy picking up trash, I inform them of any abnormalities on their property. Just this spring I informed a farmer of a tree that had fallen in one of his fields, he said it saved him the trouble of showing up to work the field only to have to remove the tree, he could do it beforehand. Also I assure them I will not damage their property if it is too muddy to be driving on dirt lanes. This has got many thanks over the years. But I stress again you will never convince an anit-hunter you are doing good. Just visit PETA's web site and check out the forums. The put animals above humans. And they are the ones that can Kiss My Ass.


>>>BAM<<<

bowmanaj 05-08-2008 03:36 PM

RE: ted nugent
 
People get mad cuz he has the guts to say things we all want to say. yes he's a little out there but I don't wanna get in to how he compares to other hunters. Overall, (like someone else said) I have nothing bad to say about people who stand up for us as hunters. Yes, he's not the perfect spokesman for our sport but o well.

DoctorDeath 05-08-2008 07:06 PM

RE: ted nugent
 
Uncle Teddy aint seen the ball since the kick off :D

dd

Ben / PA 05-09-2008 10:50 AM

RE: ted nugent
 
Uncle Ted may not mix words, but he has a passion for hunting, our heritage, and our troops. I have a real hard time opposing this. The man is eccentric, but he is eccentric about the things that matter. I respect him.

A11en 05-09-2008 06:45 PM

RE: ted nugent
 
He feeds animal rights activists ammunition to combat their cause.

I'll always respect a person for being true to themselves - for being an individual. But I believe Ted hurts the sport he loves.

cr422 05-12-2008 07:19 AM

RE: ted nugent
 
Problem with Nugent is that he's old enough to remember when you could buy guns and ammo from Sears, through the catalog by the way, and have it mailed to you. You can't do that anymore.

He's old enough to remember when you came back from the woods with your deer strapped to your car and nobody saw anything objectionable about that. That's not true anymore.

He remembers when vegetarians were considered weird and kept it to themselves.Now they wave it in the face of us normal people and tell us we should be nice to animals instead of eating them.

I think he gets pi$$ed off about that and so do I. And what pi$$es us off even more is that there are so many people who start peeing their panties at the idea of offending the anti-gun/anti-hunt/PETA weenies.

I don't have the verbal skills to come across the way Nugent does, but I wish I did.


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