baiting response
#41
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Ponce de Leon Florida USA
Posts: 10,079
RE: baiting response
ORIGINAL: Remnard
CWD isn't bound by climates. All it needs is a warm blooded host(s) to proliferate. It is predominant in areas that allow baiting and where penned deer or ruminates for that matter are kept in close proximity to one another. . The reason you don't see it in the north is because deer densities are usually much lighter, so one doesn't have that overcrowded, close animal to animal contact like southern climes where overpopulation is prevalent.
CWD isn't bound by climates. All it needs is a warm blooded host(s) to proliferate. It is predominant in areas that allow baiting and where penned deer or ruminates for that matter are kept in close proximity to one another. . The reason you don't see it in the north is because deer densities are usually much lighter, so one doesn't have that overcrowded, close animal to animal contact like southern climes where overpopulation is prevalent.
#43
RE: baiting response
This debate is interesting to me because I used to be one of the guys who thought that hunting over bait was pathetic.
I shot anice buck this year hunting public land on a DIY huntin a state with VERY strict anti-baiting rules (even using a scent dripper is illegal in Montana).
I shot a smaller buck this year hunting my own private land in a state where baiting is so widespread you can buy "Deer Corn" at the gas station, supermarket, etc. and it is almost unheard of to not hunt over bait (Texas). I did use bait, you pretty much have to just to get the deer to come on your land if your neighbors all around you are running feeders. I also planted 16 acres of footplots and am doing several other things to improve the habitat.
I was happy with both deer that I shot and don't consider myself a better hunter shooting one verus the other. I do feel like shooting the deer on my own land using bait took more "work" than shooting the deer on public land.
That's my 2 cents.
I shot anice buck this year hunting public land on a DIY huntin a state with VERY strict anti-baiting rules (even using a scent dripper is illegal in Montana).
I shot a smaller buck this year hunting my own private land in a state where baiting is so widespread you can buy "Deer Corn" at the gas station, supermarket, etc. and it is almost unheard of to not hunt over bait (Texas). I did use bait, you pretty much have to just to get the deer to come on your land if your neighbors all around you are running feeders. I also planted 16 acres of footplots and am doing several other things to improve the habitat.
I was happy with both deer that I shot and don't consider myself a better hunter shooting one verus the other. I do feel like shooting the deer on my own land using bait took more "work" than shooting the deer on public land.
That's my 2 cents.
#44
RE: baiting response
You said 3 or 4 different things there... Feed plots, CWD, cash crop fields, dogs your friends are running, no dogs allowed... What are you really saying? Food plots are OK, feeding/baiting is ok, dogs are OK, dogs are ruining things?
EDIT: sorry, I thought when you said you started the debate you were the one that started the thread. But still, what is it that you are trying to say. I really like this debate, so I really want to see some counterpoints to my statements.
EDIT: sorry, I thought when you said you started the debate you were the one that started the thread. But still, what is it that you are trying to say. I really like this debate, so I really want to see some counterpoints to my statements.
I understand that my food plots are not contributing to the CWD or Bovine. I am not planning on setting any stands directly on the plots, but rather on the corridors and trails that lead to them, so in a way I am baiting. Its illegal to hunt within a certain distance from bait or food plots. Its just an ethical thing to me to not set up and shoot while they are standing still for an hour eating.
This "debate" probably does have me talking in circles...maybe thats why it is so interesting!
If its legal to bait, knock yourself out. If you hunt with dogs, knock yourself out. Just take into consideration theperson orpeople hunting with their tactics on the neighboring land. Just keep it legal, safe, and most importantly ethical.
Here is a picture of my land. Mine is outlined, and the blue border is a huge creek, almost a river. You can see the hunt property directly across the creek. In most cases its pretty awesome to have their hounds running deer into my land...which usually happens, and there is nothing I can do about it. Its when they "sneak" in on days they dont see my truck at the entrance and let the dogs out...on my property. That is what gets my goat, especially when they do it out of dog season!
#45
RE: baiting response
ORIGINAL: johnnybravoo77
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When you throw all this stuff away and make your own bow & arrow from sticks and rocks, and then track and stalk your prey, then you will be a REAL hunter. Dont bash someone for throwing out some corn and such to attract a deer to a particular location. I would be willing to bet that you have hunted a fields edge, or near oak trees, this is essentially useing bait because you know the deer will get hungery and come to one of these spots eventually.We try to give ourselves every advantagewe can to harvest an animal, doe pee, cover scents, etc. I would think twice before you start labeling people.
Switchback XT, RipCord Rest, HHA OL-5500 Sight,
Carbon Express Maxima 250 Arrows, Muzzy 3 Blade 100gr. Broadheads,
T/C Omega, Leupold VX-II 3-9X40, 250gr. Sabots
Remington 11-87, Leupold VX-II 3-9X40, Lightfields Slugs
Mossberg 835 Turkey Shotgu
When you throw all this stuff away and make your own bow & arrow from sticks and rocks, and then track and stalk your prey, then you will be a REAL hunter. Dont bash someone for throwing out some corn and such to attract a deer to a particular location. I would be willing to bet that you have hunted a fields edge, or near oak trees, this is essentially useing bait because you know the deer will get hungery and come to one of these spots eventually.We try to give ourselves every advantagewe can to harvest an animal, doe pee, cover scents, etc. I would think twice before you start labeling people.
#46
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Warren County NJ USA
Posts: 3,899
RE: baiting response
The nearest field to me is roughly 2.5 miles away, the area I hunt has acorns just like any other area, it took me years of adjustments from observing deer movements to find the area I hunt. I hunt on there travel pattern to/from there bedding area. I've been hunting for so long that back in the day baiting wasn't even a topic, so why change, I do just fine. I earn my deer as a hunter not a baiter
#47
RE: baiting response
I have no problem with how you hunt, but to bash other hunters for how they hunt is just being a jack*ss. I dont advicate doing anything illegal, so if somebody hunts within the laws provided for they're area, I dont see anything wrong with it. Just because I dont hunt the way someone else hunts, doesnt mean that they're not "hunters". You claim that you are the "hunter", but you sound more like an anti-hunter to me.
#48
RE: baiting response
ORIGINAL: BOWHUNTERCOP
The nearest field to me is roughly 2.5 miles away, the area I hunt has acorns just like any other area, it took me years of adjustments from observing deer movements to find the area I hunt. I hunt on there travel pattern to/from there bedding area. I've been hunting for so long that back in the day baiting wasn't even a topic, so why change, I do just fine. I earn my deer as a hunter not a baiter
The nearest field to me is roughly 2.5 miles away, the area I hunt has acorns just like any other area, it took me years of adjustments from observing deer movements to find the area I hunt. I hunt on there travel pattern to/from there bedding area. I've been hunting for so long that back in the day baiting wasn't even a topic, so why change, I do just fine. I earn my deer as a hunter not a baiter
#49
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Warren County NJ USA
Posts: 3,899
RE: baiting response
halfrack, calling people names on here I'm sure is a rule violation. Next time you get pulled over or a CO stops you while hunting/fishing, say that to there face!!!!
baiting deer is an easy way to hunt, I agree if the law allows it so be it. But I know lots of hunters within my home state, and the ones that bait kill alot of deer and they brag that hunting is easy, or brag how they killed 15, 20 or more deer per season, this doesn't make you a hunter this makes you look like a killer. And most of deer they take are either does, yearlings including lots of button bucks, but then complaine how they don't see as many rack bucks as they have in the past. Keep killing and over harvesting, remember NJ doesn't care about the wildlife or our hunting, they care about getting the 'ole mighty dollar bill $$$$$$$$
baiting deer is an easy way to hunt, I agree if the law allows it so be it. But I know lots of hunters within my home state, and the ones that bait kill alot of deer and they brag that hunting is easy, or brag how they killed 15, 20 or more deer per season, this doesn't make you a hunter this makes you look like a killer. And most of deer they take are either does, yearlings including lots of button bucks, but then complaine how they don't see as many rack bucks as they have in the past. Keep killing and over harvesting, remember NJ doesn't care about the wildlife or our hunting, they care about getting the 'ole mighty dollar bill $$$$$$$$
#50
RE: baiting response
i use mock scrapes, scents and calls. where i hunt it is illegal to bait. my personal belief is if you are going to bait (legally) make food plots, something that benefits the deer. throwing corn out does not benefit the deer, in a nutritional aspect.