For All you 223 Fans
#71

ORIGINAL: Killer_Primate
There is nothing wrong with your example. However, rightfully so, you’ve customized your example to suit your argument. And it is a good example of what could really happen. But how many examples could we use?
There is nothing wrong with your example. However, rightfully so, you’ve customized your example to suit your argument. And it is a good example of what could really happen. But how many examples could we use?
Obviously, my hypothetical was just that. Hypothetical. I don't have a clue what the real numbers might be.
I would pose the question to you, using your example, why not try to get all 2900 ft-lbs of energy into the animal? You could do it, if you got a faster expanding projectile, but why? It is excessive, in my opinion to try to do so and would probably look more like an explosion took place than an animal getting shot.
In your example, you’d be sending a projectile beyond your target with 1100 ft-lbs of energy. Is that responsible? In most cases, sure, in some, probably not. Since in your example you wasted 1100 lbs, you wasted gun powder, brass, copper and lead.
You probably spend more money on your rifle and the same rifle chambered in .223. And this situation is fine, but so is not wasting the energy.
Now, what if you only put 350 ft-lbs of energy into the deer? Keep in mind that is about the power of a .45 ACP which I’d have to assume that we’d agree is capable of traveling through the ribcage of a deer. Now you’ve got 2550 ft-lbs of energy going beyond your target.
I think that the second example is closer to reality than the first. I guess we’d have to compare a lot more than just energy and speed though to come to any real conclusion.
#72

ORIGINAL: ipscshooter
My 700 ADL .30-06 was a gift from my wife. Free.
My 700 ADL .30-06 was a gift from my wife. Free.
#73
Fork Horn
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Briercrest, Saskatchewan
Posts: 116

ORIGINAL: octafoil
I "live" in a shotgun only zone, so I use my 20ga Mossberg exclusively, and I get razzed for it's small GA. Kids gun, they say. But what they can't razz me about is the wall of fame. Using the 20ga Barnes Expandable Sabot, I'm flat out to about 90-100 yds. Funny thing with that is you can't see more than 50yds clear anywhere in my swamp.
I "live" in a shotgun only zone, so I use my 20ga Mossberg exclusively, and I get razzed for it's small GA. Kids gun, they say. But what they can't razz me about is the wall of fame. Using the 20ga Barnes Expandable Sabot, I'm flat out to about 90-100 yds. Funny thing with that is you can't see more than 50yds clear anywhere in my swamp.
As for me .223 isnt legal here so not an option ( its my coyote gun). As long as the kill is clean, use what works.
enjoy the debate.
#74
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location:
Posts: 99

JPF....Had to step out for awhile..business. Never stated for or against, I only asked "why". Never gotdefinitive answer. There were a few on here that took my question of "why", as I'm "against" it's use, wrong again. I was also questioned about "my" experience with the rounds affects, even after i stated my long history with the weapon, again, all because I asked "why". Pretty funny actually.

#76

i'd probably take the shot if i had decent optics and was very comfy with my gun. I don't really like the .223 but i know it has alright penetration. If you think about it 100yds isn't all that much for a rifle. there are people capable of taking deer at that distance(broadside) with a bow.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8F0-jKmvCCI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8F0-jKmvCCI
#77

ORIGINAL: DoveshooterII
Hey splitear, a 800 yd. shot on a deer is nothing. Me and some friends shoot a metal dong that is 1ft. in diameter, at 900 yards, w/ a .308!
Hey splitear, a 800 yd. shot on a deer is nothing. Me and some friends shoot a metal dong that is 1ft. in diameter, at 900 yards, w/ a .308!

#78
Typical Buck
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 590

Your "response" to my post is a crackup for evading my point. My main point is that shooting with a .22-caliber is a lot like shooting with a bow. You can't break down a shoulder, so you have to wait for a broadside shot. So what?
Your reply goes on to make my other point, that big caliber guys seem to feel it is an affront to their manhood to ever pass up a shot. I wonder frankly if that attitude, that your shoulder cannon entitles you to shoot at any animal at any angle doesn't result in more wounded game than a disciplined small-caliber shooter.
Finally, I know a fellow who kills elk with a .223. I'm not really arguing for or against any caliber, I think virtually any caliber can kill game if it's used right, and absolutely any caliber can wound game in the hands of a moron.
P.S. I'm on my way to the library to get a book about an old elephant hunter who killed over a thousand elephants with a .25 caliber rifle.
Your reply goes on to make my other point, that big caliber guys seem to feel it is an affront to their manhood to ever pass up a shot. I wonder frankly if that attitude, that your shoulder cannon entitles you to shoot at any animal at any angle doesn't result in more wounded game than a disciplined small-caliber shooter.
Finally, I know a fellow who kills elk with a .223. I'm not really arguing for or against any caliber, I think virtually any caliber can kill game if it's used right, and absolutely any caliber can wound game in the hands of a moron.
P.S. I'm on my way to the library to get a book about an old elephant hunter who killed over a thousand elephants with a .25 caliber rifle.
#79
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Missouri
Posts: 1,429

ORIGINAL: Dirt2
P.S. I'm on my way to the library to get a book about an old elephant hunter who killed over a thousand elephants with a .25 caliber rifle.
P.S. I'm on my way to the library to get a book about an old elephant hunter who killed over a thousand elephants with a .25 caliber rifle.
Anyone that thinks a deer at 100 yards quartering to with a 223 shouldn't be taken is mistaken. A 223 will absolutely turn that buck inside out. If you make that shot the buck will most likely drop like a ton of bricks. You undoubtably find that the bullet sprawled down the spinal column producing massive shock to the central nevous system.
Why do you think the military uses the 5.56 nato? I mean do you honestly believe that they use a completely inferior round. The reason they use it, is because its an effective round. The round has a tendancy to travel along bones until all energy is gone. thats why shots in the lower extremities have proven fatal and the bullet is generally recovered in the chest cavity even thought the entry wound is in an extremity.
I don't hunt deer with a 223. I have a 280 for that. But I know first hand what a 223 can do to a deer. Never underestimate what the little round can do in the right hands. As a matter of fact I witnessed a large doe bang flopped at 95 steps with a 22 hornet by a 8 year old boy. I told him to hold on the point of the shoulder on a broadside shot, and thats where he hit. Deer floped like it had been hit with a 338 win mag.
#80
Member
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Asheboro NC
Posts: 56

ORIGINAL: BigTiny
Why you own a metal dong that size is your business, but nobody's going to believe you got it just for shooting.
Why you own a metal dong that size is your business, but nobody's going to believe you got it just for shooting.

I know 223 will kill deer, but that is one of the funniest statements I've ever read on a board.....














