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ipscshooter 01-15-2008 08:08 AM

RE: Ethical Calibers for Deer
 

ORIGINAL: ipscshooter

Very interesting.... I just did a survey of the 50 states' regulations concerning the use of .22 CF's for deer hunting. Here's what I found:

6 States do not allow rifle hunting

8 States, either had no apparent restriction, or I could not find a restriction

3 states require .23 caliber or larger

4 states require .24 caliber or larger

29 states ALLOW the use of .22 caliber CF's. Of these, 4 have minimum ft. lbs. of energy restrictions which would allow some .22 CF's and prohibit other .22 CF's.


NOTE: The moderator who shut down the .22 Hornet thread appears to indicate in the email to zrex that he knows .22 CF's are illegal in WV. The WV regulation actually reads "NO RIMFIRES UNDER .25 CALIBER". That does not, to me at least, mean .22 CF's are banned.

Edited/update...
Updating my earlier list:

7 states do not allow rifle hunting

4 states require at least .23 caliber (KA, MN, VA, WY)

4 states require at least .24 or .243 caliber (CO, CN, IA WA)

35 states allow .22 Centerfires.

Of the 35 that allow .22 Centerfires, 5 have energy restrictions. 2 of these say 1200 ft lbs of Muzzle Energy, 1 says 1000 ft lbs of Muzzle Energy, 1 says 900 ft lbs at 100 yards, and 1 says 1000 ft lbs at 100 yards.

So, the .22 Hornet thread got deleted because, as explained by a moderator:

In the majority of the USA using a .22 to hunt deer is illegal. I know that it is here in WV and checked the data base for other states. Yep, across the board it is for the most part illegal.
I really fail to see the "across the board" ban against .22 centerfires for deer hunting that got the .22 Hornet post deleted, and I wonder what the moderator's motives were. Did he bother to check ANY of "the data base for other states" before deleting the post? 35 of 43 states that permit rifle hunting allow .22's. That certainly refutes to ridiculous proposition that "in the majority of the USA using a .22 to hunt deer is illegal." He was even wrong about the restriction in his home state of WV...

When 35 of the 43 states that allow rifle hunting permit the use of .22 centerfires, I think that removes most question about whether the .22 CF's are "unethical". The ethics question, as I've said before, should relate solely to the individual hunter's shot selection based upon the legal caliber he has chosen.

JoeRE 01-15-2008 08:55 AM

RE: Ethical Calibers for Deer
 
I knew a man that grew up hunting deer with a .22 in the 50s. He shot them in the chest, broadside, at close range with a hollow point. He stated they always went down after 100 yards or so. Ethical? Not to me, but to him? yes.

bigtim6656 01-15-2008 09:35 AM

RE: Ethical Calibers for Deer
 
i drive a f150 4x4 with a small lift kit but it is a straight 6. i must say it has as much power and noise as a v8
but it is also a reg cab

ORIGINAL: HEAD0001

Oh and by the way I am sure everyone here drives a compact-non extended cab 2 WD truck, instead of a full size extended cab-V8-4 WD truck. Why of course you all drive the compact. It will get the job done!!:D:D:D:D Tom.

ipscshooter 01-15-2008 09:49 AM

RE: Ethical Calibers for Deer
 

ORIGINAL: bigtim6656

i drive a f150 4x4 with a small lift kit but it is a straight 6. i must say it has as much power and noise as a v8
but it is also a reg cab

ORIGINAL: HEAD0001

Oh and by the way I am sure everyone here drives a compact-non extended cab 2 WD truck, instead of a full size extended cab-V8-4 WD truck. Why of course you all drive the compact. It will get the job done!!:D:D:D:D Tom.

I've got a Chevy S-10, regular cab, long bed, 2WD, 4.3L V-6. It's a little work-horse though. It's a half ton truck, but I hauled well over a ton of tile and grout in it when I was tiling my den. The only thing I don't like about it is it doesn't have the extended cab, so I couldn't put my guns inside if it started to rain on the way to the deer lease. My stepson recently remedied that when his employer gave him a camper top for it...

DannyD 01-15-2008 12:17 PM

RE: Ethical Calibers for Deer
 

ORIGINAL: zrexpilot


ORIGINAL: Paul L Mohr

Are you sure that was the only reason? High powered rifles period are not legal in a lot of states does that mean we can't post about rifle hunting anymore? By the way that is a legal cartridge in upper MI, where as in lower Michigan no centerfire rifles are allowed at all for deer hunting.

I can't believe that would be their only basis for deleting a post.

Paul
This is the email I got. copied and pasted.








The message you posted in Guns (http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tt.aspx?forumid=9),
titled: " .22 Hornet scores again (update)" has been deleted.
Reason:The reason if obvious....

In the majority of the USA using a .22 to hunt deer is illegal. I know that it is here in
WV and checked the data base for other states. Yep, across the board it is for the most
part illegal.






In WV we are ok to use 22 cal centerfire ammo. I am not familiar with the 22 hornet but I'm not sure why that wouldn't qualify
In fact, I believe a centerfire 17 Cal would be legal in WV

bigtim6656 01-15-2008 01:45 PM

RE: Ethical Calibers for Deer
 
ya mine is a half tons to
i have hauled 60 sheets of plywoods and even 50 bundles of shingles at like 80 pounds each

it was slow moving and it made some noise but it got to my door for a straight 6 i am happy


ORIGINAL: ipscshooter


ORIGINAL: bigtim6656

i drive a f150 4x4 with a small lift kit but it is a straight 6. i must say it has as much power and noise as a v8
but it is also a reg cab

ORIGINAL: HEAD0001

Oh and by the way I am sure everyone here drives a compact-non extended cab 2 WD truck, instead of a full size extended cab-V8-4 WD truck. Why of course you all drive the compact. It will get the job done!!:D:D:D:D Tom.

I've got a Chevy S-10, regular cab, long bed, 2WD, 4.3L V-6. It's a little work-horse though. It's a half ton truck, but I hauled well over a ton of tile and grout in it when I was tiling my den. The only thing I don't like about it is it doesn't have the extended cab, so I couldn't put my guns inside if it started to rain on the way to the deer lease. My stepson recently remedied that when his employer gave him a camper top for it...

HuntinSam 01-17-2008 10:08 AM

RE: Ethical Calibers for Deer
 
i use a 30/30 marlin i always have and always will... its what i know and love... so find a
gun you love and are comfortable and leave eachother alone!!!!!

arch 01-17-2008 01:02 PM

RE: Ethical Calibers for Deer
 

ORIGINAL: Paul L Mohr

To what avail? Well the point was sort of to let you know you are young and when you get more experience you will probably see things differently. Your views are about what I expect from someone with your level of weapons knowledge and skill. Maybe in another 20 or 30 years you will get my point. I should have known it was futile to reason with someone of your age.

Paul
This is an extremely ignorant generalization and has nothing to do with the topic

philip_grubaugh 01-17-2008 01:03 PM

RE: Ethical Calibers for Deer
 
i am content with my .50 cal. it does what ever i need it to. when i go to big open fields ilike my .243 ppl can say what they want but i have killed deer with lots of bigger rifles and my favorite rifle is a .243

bigtim6656 01-17-2008 02:35 PM

RE: Ethical Calibers for Deer
 
i agree with part of what Paul said
i am only 22
but i have learned more in the last 4 years then the first 18
like it is not a good idea to punch a guy in the middle of a carnival at the court house yard
and i have learned that most of what i thought when i was young was wrong

we all grow up and learn that were not know it alls

ORIGINAL: arch


ORIGINAL: Paul L Mohr

To what avail? Well the point was sort of to let you know you are young and when you get more experience you will probably see things differently. Your views are about what I expect from someone with your level of weapons knowledge and skill. Maybe in another 20 or 30 years you will get my point. I should have known it was futile to reason with someone of your age.

Paul
This is an extremely ignorant generalization and has nothing to do with the topic


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