RE: The Crossbow Controversy
 

you are still condeming the crossbow for having the same as a compound. if you think a compound weighs the same are close to a crossbow you are sadly mistaken.we both shoot arrows or bolts, have sight help, and use a trigger mechanism for a release.oh yeah, the crossbow does not have the nice arrow rest also. it just lays on the crossbow itself.i use a horton hunter express. you have failed to mention that crossbows use sight pins also.you are still saying the things wrong with the crossbow are the things that a compound has.look at what you are saying. the crossbow has been around much longer than the compound. what do you use the laser sight for? prob to help you get a better shot just like the crossbow.

RE: The Crossbow Controversy
 

This is going nowhere. You don't seem to understand that you DON'T hold your bow at full draw while waiting for deer to come and that a trigger release, which still means that the hunter is holding weight, is harder to use than a crossbow where you don't hold weigth and you can raise it at anytime.

Good Luck This Season: Buck Magnet
P.S. Only Chuck Adams can sit at home and see deer so get into the woods. =;^)

RE: The Crossbow Controversy
 

what is your point? what does that matter in who can hunt oe who should hunt? yo u still use the same arguments against the crossbow that you use on a compound. they both use arrows of different lengths. they use the SAME broadheads.then the compound gets crazy. it has all kinds od gimmicks to make it easier to use. yet you condemn the crossbow for the same reasons.you once again do not comment on the fact that compounds are the source of many more wounded deer than any other weapon used. knowing this fact you still act superior to a crossbow. give me a break.

RE: The Crossbow Controversy
 

Okay, you want to talk about compound bow losses. That is probablly due to the fact that a compound bow is a hard weapon to use and it is mostly due to the fact that there are hunters out there that are lazy. What do you think will happen if crossbows become legal. Those lazy hunters who use compounds and injure deer are going to look at the crossbow for an easier solution and end up wounding more animals. Your gadget idea is stupid. Compounds do have gadgest, BUT SO DO CROSSBOWS. My whole point is when you look at an entirely base model, the crossbow IS easier to use.

Good Luck This Season: Buck Magnet
P.S. Only Chuck Adams can sit at home and see deer so get into the woods. =;^)

RE: The Crossbow Controversy
 

Ok i have read each and every post on this subject, and what i dont understand is WHY do crossbows need thier own season? Are the compounders worried about not being able to harvest a deer if ther are more people in the woods? I really think that is the issue here, wether or not its a bow, its not a bow, i dont think has you guys so worried. I think its the selfish sense of "my woods, my time" phobia that has your worried about "extra hunters" in the woods you hunt. I think that is pathetic! I hunt with both, a compound and a crossbow, and each has its advantages, however whatever "bow" you use, you must prepare, scout, pay attention to wind, trails, stand placement, etc.... and be ethical. I would never take a shot with my crossbow over 25 yards, first off the bolt/arrow does tend to drop off, the string makes a loud noise and the movement to come to sight is "wider" then a compound is. The compound you draw back at a time when you think the deer will move into shooting range...which would be what....0 to 30 yards, and the let off is what 60, 70, 80 percent? A crossbow, you will lift and sight, take off safety, when you think the deer will move into range...whick would be what..0 to 30 yards, no let off...just about 6 to 12lbs at shoulder hieght...for however long that deer takes to move into range. If the deer stops, you still hold, you dont let the bow down, becasue if he moved closer he is more likely to "pick you off" when raising the bow again. AND any of todays modern let offs is equal to holding 8 to 12 lbs.

I just find it sad to see a division of hunters for the sole reason of pure selfishness, thats all it is. We are all shooting deer at the same range with bows...we are all preparing the same way...

The outdoors is yours, treat it with RESPECT!!!

RE: The Crossbow Controversy
 

where are the gadgets on a crossbow? please show me. so far i have not seen anywhere as much as a compound.the source od found wounded deer is still atributed to the compound bow. not a crossbow.once again if you think a crossbow is easier to use you are sadly mistaken. you have to use the same things as a compound in shooting. you have to use the windage and ability to shoot. you use a sight pin just as i do. that is where the similarity ends. you have many more things to make your shooting easier.with all these things you superior compounders still lead in leaving more wounded deer than any other weapon used.maybe this is saying that the compound should not be used.the compound can and is equipped with many more advantages.if it is a short ranged gun then show me the bullets and where to load it.

RE: The Crossbow Controversy
 

Sure, that probablly has something to do with it. It isn't a bow. That is my whole point. No matter what anyone says, you can get away with unshouldering a crossbow easier than letting down a compound. It is an unfair advantage to the compound/recurve/long bow shooters that shouldn't be tolerated. Plus, why should you be allowed. I don't believe that crossbow organizations are contributing NEARLY as much money as compound organizations. It is a thing that is totally unnessacary. There is absolutely no point to bringing crossbows into Pa. Why change our season around and mess up the majority of archers long/recurve/compound to bring in a TINY group of hunters. Here is a question that I want answered. No crossbow user has answered this, WHY NOT SHOOT A COMPOUND IF YOU WANT TO BOW HUNT? I am totally for disabled people being allowed to use a crossbow, but that is it.

Good Luck This Season: Buck Magnet
P.S. Only Chuck Adams can sit at home and see deer so get into the woods. =;^)

RE: The Crossbow Controversy
 

Dep
Apparently you dont know a lot of bowhunters. Ive seen Sights, silencers, stabilizers and releases used on recurves. I also know a few guys who shoot their compounds without a sight, silencer stabilzer or release. The point you continue to ignore is really the main difference between crossguns and bows. IT DOESN"T HAVE TO BE DRAWN WHEN GAME IS PRESENT. That is a huge advantage in a hunting situation. The other issue is that any monkey can pick up a crossbow and shoot with it reasonable accuracy immediately. A real bow ANY real bow with as many bells and whistles as you want still takes some time ,practice and dedication to get good with it.

Edited by - btbowhunter on 01/22/2002 12:58:57

RE: The Crossbow Controversy
 

One more thing Mr Dep. You stated that more deer are found wounded by crossbows than any other weapon. Just where did you get that information? What documentation can be found to back up that statement?

RE: The Crossbow Controversy
 

Ewcellent post BT, it just amuses me how people can say that drawing back a bow instead of raising a crossbow and shouldering it isn't a hard thing to do. These people obviously have no idea what they are talking about. IT IS HARDER to do. They don't seem to realize that all compounds don't come with all the bells and whistles, they just assume it. They don't realize that they same stuff they are complaining about people putting on compounds can be put on their crossbows. How does age of the weapon matter? They want us to listen to there comments, but they don't want to listen to ours. And when you proove there point to be wrong, they ignore it or don't register it and keep on complaining.

Good Luck This Season: Buck Magnet
P.S. Only Chuck Adams can sit at home and see deer so get into the woods. =;^)