This debate has remained relatively civil up until now...lets try to keep it that way. <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

You obviously did not read the whole thing or the final conclusions. Even PETA was smart enough to remain silent when given the opportunity to dispute these findings. This study is held in the highest regard by the best wildlife biologists in the world but I guess you would still have a problem with the results.

Edited by - btbowhunter on 01/24/2002 13:13:29

Edited by - btbowhunter on 01/24/2002 13:23:42

Dep, was this study done in just Texas? How about a study for the entire country. That would be more accurate that just a Texas study. As for the comparing crossbows, let it go, it isn't going anywhere. Buf if you want to keep comparing them, lets just take a look at the Cabelas magazine. Hmmm, look at that, A Buckmaster MaxPoint Crossbow. Shoots 335 fps. A silent lock safety, hmmmm wasnt that you who said safteys on crossbows were very loud?. Lightweight molded one piece nylon stock and forearm. Hmmm, I thought crossbows were REALLY heavy. Hmmmm, the crank cocking device. It take a smooth 16 lbs of pressure to draw back the 175 pound draw weight. O yeah, Carbon Impact X-Bow Bolts. Weaver scope mounts, O MY, Would you look at the Excalibur Drop Zone Scope, 2.5 power multiples scope that allows you to ACCURATELY compensate for trajectory up to 50 yards. Yep, his has neat little dots that are marked off at 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 yards. Wow, I wish they had that for my compound. Hmmmmmmm, It looks like Simms Solid limb Limb Saver works on crossbows. Reduces vibration up to 65% and noise up to 12db on both crossbows and compound bows. Hmm, wasn't it you that was complaining about crossbows not having Vibration Dampeners? Hmmmm, wow, The YardagePro laser rangefinder could be rigged on to your crossbow. O my, simms String Leeches can be put on crossbows, but wait, that is another vibration dampener. WOW, its amazing what you see when you just look. Hmmmm, as for your comments on compound bows having arrow rests, DONT YOU GET IT, your arrow rest is the body of the crossbow. For your information, most of the arrow rests that people use aren't like the ones you describe. Most are two prongs that you set the arrow upon. The one you describe wears away fletchings. Just a little helpful information for you.

Good Luck This Season: Buck Magnet
P.S. Only Chuck Adams can sit at home and see deer so get into the woods. =;^)

why do you use a study as a reference and then deny its findings. this is really halarious.

Tyhe only place that 45% apppears in that study is &quot;% of substantiated hit deer recovered by another hunter&quot; The total recovery rate is 87% or the lost rate is 13%.
I invite all reading this thread to read the entire results and draw your own conclusions.<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

Just went on tpwd's web site. Searched under deer wounding. <img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle> 0 hits out of 15,000+ documents<img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle>

The web address is

http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/



Edited by - btbowhunter on 01/24/2002 13:29:49

you are not worth the trouble any more. your posts are a joke. you mistate things and ignore pointed questions.i seriouslt doubt your hunting ethics and maybe that is where the problem lies.antis are looking for people like you to boost there ideas. you think about yourself and not the sport of hunting. you feel superior to other hunters and feel you should have a seperate season. i propose this-each brand have its own season. each pull weight have its own season.see how stupid it sounds. get alife and promote the sport of hunting and not yourself.

In honoring the spirit of Franks request and the rules of this forum I will not respond in kind. BTW continually claiming someone has no knowledge is akin to name calling. I have cited the only study to be found in an extensive web search and quoted some of the results. I invite anyone reading this to help me find this elusive Texas study. I don't know where else to look<img src=icon_smile_question.gif border=0 align=middle>
We have strayed from the original subject. modern rifle is not an inline is not a flintlock is not a crossbow is not a compound is not a longbow is not a spear. Ther are fundamental differences which must be addressed. Not all rules fit in all places. All the other weapons are pretty much seperated into seperate seasons with the exception of traditional/compound bows. I and, it appears most other bowhunters feel there is too large a difference between compounds and crossbows to put them in the same class. I for one hope that it stays that way.

Have I seen this debate before ? I wonder ...


I have shot them all I think, rifles, hanguns, shotguns, muzzleloaders, crossbows compounds and now longbows/recurves.

Do crossbows have a hunting advantage ? In that you don't have to draw and release them, absolutely and thats a HUGE advantage. I never realized how much so until I went to a longbow, where you have to draw with the shot right there, you cannot draw while its heads behind a tree and wait 20-30 second or two minutes. Huge difference guys. Crossbows are even easier than compounds in this respect. Speed ? Compounds win. Accuracy ? Compounds win. Distance ? Compounds win. Ease of use ? Crossbows, but the gap lessens every year.

Crossbows - use them in gun season, maybe in a combined muzzlelloader season and let those that are truly unable to shoot a compound/recurve/longbow use them. Thats an opinion from a guy whos shot them, knows them and hunts in a state where they're legal.

Oh yeah, and cross bows go a LONG way back in history, they are very tradional in that sense.

dep, how about this, we make one hunting season a year, umm one saturday in the middle of june, every weapon allowed. You can use, fully automatic, semi-automatic, any other rifle. Pistols, Bows, Crossbows, inlines, muzzleloaders, spears, tanks, assult rifle, rockets, grenade launchers, knives, throwing axes, dinner forks, how about spoons too. Will that make you happy. All hunting in one. Any animal is legal for that day. Yet again you give more personal attacks. If you get so disturbed by BT not finding the web site, then give it to him. What, don't you have it? What, why didn't you answer back to my post from earlier? I don't feel superior to crossbow hunters, but GOD, I do feel superior to a hunter like you.

Good Luck This Season: Buck Magnet
P.S. Only Chuck Adams can sit at home and see deer so get into the woods. =;^)