killing dogs vs. hunting
12-10-2007, 06:19 PM
#1
Thread Starter
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Vermont
Posts: 213
killing dogs vs. hunting
So in light of Mike Vick's recent sentencing....one of my best buddies and I were talking about this rediculousness. After talking about it for a while my buddy says something like, " I think fighting dogs is pretty much the same thing as hunting." Keep in mind he is not a hunter in any way shape or form, but this is just a hugely ignorant comment.... any thoughts?
12-10-2007, 06:36 PM
#3
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: NC
Posts: 6,764
RE: killing dogs vs. hunting
I've heard about all the crap I want to hear about viciously killing a domesticated animal and comparing it to hunting.
There are several differences that come to mind right off the bat.
1. We don't torture the animals we pursue.
2. We hunt wild, free ranging animals; not pinned up where we can grab them and throw them in a pit.
3. We strive to ethically and quickly take them; not have them tortured until they die in vain.
4. After we take an animal we consume it, not cast it away to waste.
5. What we do is LEGAL!!!!!!!
There are several differences that come to mind right off the bat.
1. We don't torture the animals we pursue.
2. We hunt wild, free ranging animals; not pinned up where we can grab them and throw them in a pit.
3. We strive to ethically and quickly take them; not have them tortured until they die in vain.
4. After we take an animal we consume it, not cast it away to waste.
5. What we do is LEGAL!!!!!!!
12-10-2007, 08:50 PM
#8
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Ponce de Leon Florida USA
Posts: 10,079
RE: killing dogs vs. hunting
Vick was the ring leader in a multi state gambling organization, ie wagering on illegal dog fights. I think that is the basis of his federalsentencing. The cruelty to animal charges might be the state charges he is facing.
12-10-2007, 08:58 PM
#9
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 75
RE: killing dogs vs. hunting
You know, I can see it a bit of both ways. I know most here are pretty serious deer hunters and treat all game they hunt in the same manner they do deer. Most either lease land and others hunt public lands.
Here in Texas, we landowners face other problems. On different places, I have problems with several nuisance animals including: Hogs, aoudad sheep, coyotes, feral cats, and feral dogs. Even deer can bea problem in some areas, though not mine.
When I hunt game, I do it in an ethical manner. The game I hunt are mostly deer, but also dove, quail, pheasant, and at times ducks. When I'm out looking for these animals, I consider it hunting.
I can also hunt the other animals I've mentioned and would consider many of my sheep hunts to be actual hunts when out looking for big rams.
However, when I go out looking for hogs and the other animals, it's hardly hunting. We kill by any means necessary. Personally, I've never shot a feral cat (though I would) but have shot wild dogs when they were attacking a calf. Maybe it makes me a bad guy, but I could care less about a quick kill when going after these animals. We use assault rifles, firing hundreds of rounds, trying to hit everything we can. We chase them on ATV's, in trucks, trap them, snare them, poison them, and by any other means we can come up with (I've heard of people even using helicopters, but I havent' done it).
So, is what we do humane? That's probably up to others to decide. Is what we do necessary? Absolutely. The fact is, there are lots of wild non-native animals out there that do much more harm to the environment than good. These animals are a danger to humans, livestock, native wildlife, and native vegetation. I don't break any laws and all the means I described above are perfectly legal in Texas.
The fact is, there are laws against fighting dogs. Michael Vick broke the law. If laws are passed telling me I can't fire away at hogs, coyotes, etc., then I'll probably stop. Michael Vick knew better than to do what he did. Then he lied about his intentions and actions. Those are criminal acts and he's being treated like a criminal
Here in Texas, we landowners face other problems. On different places, I have problems with several nuisance animals including: Hogs, aoudad sheep, coyotes, feral cats, and feral dogs. Even deer can bea problem in some areas, though not mine.
When I hunt game, I do it in an ethical manner. The game I hunt are mostly deer, but also dove, quail, pheasant, and at times ducks. When I'm out looking for these animals, I consider it hunting.
I can also hunt the other animals I've mentioned and would consider many of my sheep hunts to be actual hunts when out looking for big rams.
However, when I go out looking for hogs and the other animals, it's hardly hunting. We kill by any means necessary. Personally, I've never shot a feral cat (though I would) but have shot wild dogs when they were attacking a calf. Maybe it makes me a bad guy, but I could care less about a quick kill when going after these animals. We use assault rifles, firing hundreds of rounds, trying to hit everything we can. We chase them on ATV's, in trucks, trap them, snare them, poison them, and by any other means we can come up with (I've heard of people even using helicopters, but I havent' done it).
So, is what we do humane? That's probably up to others to decide. Is what we do necessary? Absolutely. The fact is, there are lots of wild non-native animals out there that do much more harm to the environment than good. These animals are a danger to humans, livestock, native wildlife, and native vegetation. I don't break any laws and all the means I described above are perfectly legal in Texas.
The fact is, there are laws against fighting dogs. Michael Vick broke the law. If laws are passed telling me I can't fire away at hogs, coyotes, etc., then I'll probably stop. Michael Vick knew better than to do what he did. Then he lied about his intentions and actions. Those are criminal acts and he's being treated like a criminal
12-11-2007, 12:06 AM
#10
Spike
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 59
RE: killing dogs vs. hunting
ORIGINAL: FtWorthHunter
You know, I can see it a bit of both ways. I know most here are pretty serious deer hunters and treat all game they hunt in the same manner they do deer. Most either lease land and others hunt public lands.
Here in Texas, we landowners face other problems. On different places, I have problems with several nuisance animals including: Hogs, aoudad sheep, coyotes, feral cats, and feral dogs. Even deer can bea problem in some areas, though not mine.
When I hunt game, I do it in an ethical manner. The game I hunt are mostly deer, but also dove, quail, pheasant, and at times ducks. When I'm out looking for these animals, I consider it hunting.
I can also hunt the other animals I've mentioned and would consider many of my sheep hunts to be actual hunts when out looking for big rams.
However, when I go out looking for hogs and the other animals, it's hardly hunting. We kill by any means necessary. Personally, I've never shot a feral cat (though I would) but have shot wild dogs when they were attacking a calf. Maybe it makes me a bad guy, but I could care less about a quick kill when going after these animals. We use assault rifles, firing hundreds of rounds, trying to hit everything we can. We chase them on ATV's, in trucks, trap them, snare them, poison them, and by any other means we can come up with (I've heard of people even using helicopters, but I havent' done it).
So, is what we do humane? That's probably up to others to decide. Is what we do necessary? Absolutely. The fact is, there are lots of wild non-native animals out there that do much more harm to the environment than good. These animals are a danger to humans, livestock, native wildlife, and native vegetation. I don't break any laws and all the means I described above are perfectly legal in Texas.
The fact is, there are laws against fighting dogs. Michael Vick broke the law. If laws are passed telling me I can't fire away at hogs, coyotes, etc., then I'll probably stop. Michael Vick knew better than to do what he did. Then he lied about his intentions and actions. Those are criminal acts and he's being treated like a criminal
You know, I can see it a bit of both ways. I know most here are pretty serious deer hunters and treat all game they hunt in the same manner they do deer. Most either lease land and others hunt public lands.
Here in Texas, we landowners face other problems. On different places, I have problems with several nuisance animals including: Hogs, aoudad sheep, coyotes, feral cats, and feral dogs. Even deer can bea problem in some areas, though not mine.
When I hunt game, I do it in an ethical manner. The game I hunt are mostly deer, but also dove, quail, pheasant, and at times ducks. When I'm out looking for these animals, I consider it hunting.
I can also hunt the other animals I've mentioned and would consider many of my sheep hunts to be actual hunts when out looking for big rams.
However, when I go out looking for hogs and the other animals, it's hardly hunting. We kill by any means necessary. Personally, I've never shot a feral cat (though I would) but have shot wild dogs when they were attacking a calf. Maybe it makes me a bad guy, but I could care less about a quick kill when going after these animals. We use assault rifles, firing hundreds of rounds, trying to hit everything we can. We chase them on ATV's, in trucks, trap them, snare them, poison them, and by any other means we can come up with (I've heard of people even using helicopters, but I havent' done it).
So, is what we do humane? That's probably up to others to decide. Is what we do necessary? Absolutely. The fact is, there are lots of wild non-native animals out there that do much more harm to the environment than good. These animals are a danger to humans, livestock, native wildlife, and native vegetation. I don't break any laws and all the means I described above are perfectly legal in Texas.
The fact is, there are laws against fighting dogs. Michael Vick broke the law. If laws are passed telling me I can't fire away at hogs, coyotes, etc., then I'll probably stop. Michael Vick knew better than to do what he did. Then he lied about his intentions and actions. Those are criminal acts and he's being treated like a criminal