Wolf issue
#13
Nontypical Buck
Joined: Feb 2003
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From: MN USA
For a solution to "the wolf problem" is straightforward. State DNRs / Wildlife & Game Depts make an agreement on what the minimum level of wolves population is that makes it viable and not stress their prey (e.g. deer, Elk...) (Come to the realization, once wolves are established in any state, federal gov't will not permit them to be totally eliminated. So, drop that idea like a hot rock.)
Set the population minimumthat wolves number in that state will be allowed to drop to 10% higher than that number viable minimum.U.S. Fish & Wildlife and Dept. of Interior completely turn managing wolves of to thosestates.
Then everyone else from outside those states(i.e. federal gov't agencies, greenie groups,non-residents of all types) stay out of it. It was well-meaning but very misguidedpeople from outside states like MN, WI, WY, MT, ID, etc. that took it upon themselves to meddleandmake the problemour handful of thelower 48 states that now arewell beyond reasonablebreeding wolfpopulations.I respectfully say again, if you don't livein states with wolvesleave the decisionsabout how to manage them to people within our states. Thank you very much.
Set the population minimumthat wolves number in that state will be allowed to drop to 10% higher than that number viable minimum.U.S. Fish & Wildlife and Dept. of Interior completely turn managing wolves of to thosestates.
Then everyone else from outside those states(i.e. federal gov't agencies, greenie groups,non-residents of all types) stay out of it. It was well-meaning but very misguidedpeople from outside states like MN, WI, WY, MT, ID, etc. that took it upon themselves to meddleandmake the problemour handful of thelower 48 states that now arewell beyond reasonablebreeding wolfpopulations.I respectfully say again, if you don't livein states with wolvesleave the decisionsabout how to manage them to people within our states. Thank you very much.
#14
Fork Horn
Joined: Feb 2004
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From: Idaho
well i say then we set the minimum at 1 thats a nice round number. look i know that the gov't wont ever officially or legally completely exterminate the wolves again but i dont intend ask them for the chance either.
but im am definetly with about people outside of the states with the wolf problemsstaying out of it. they can deal with their problems but let me handle mine. like you said it because of people in other states that decided WE needed wolves again even though they have never had to deal with them again.
but im am definetly with about people outside of the states with the wolf problemsstaying out of it. they can deal with their problems but let me handle mine. like you said it because of people in other states that decided WE needed wolves again even though they have never had to deal with them again.
#15
Nontypical Buck
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From: MN USA
You know who to "thank" for "re-introducing" Gray Wolves to the western states, "caseless".... bruce babbitt and his boss billy klintune, husband of another candidate coming up.
Here, in MN, we've had Timber Wolves all along. It was just in the 70's when the feds decided they needed to force more of them upon the people of northern MN with listing them on the ES list.
Supposedly, they've now removed them from that list in our state after wolves have multipliedway past the "goal" of 1,251 to 1,400 wolvesby the eary 1980's.
Busy body greenies and well-meaning, but ignorant of the realities of wolves "do gooding" organizations and individuals have stopped with lawsuit after lawsuit in fed courts preventing US F&G and MN DNR from implementing transfer of control to manage the Timber Wolf pop. in our state all of these years.
Even though the Timber Wolf in MN was dropped from "endangered" to "threatened" in 1978, there has yet to be a single wolf legally hunted, aside from a very few each year that are literally caught in the act of killing livestock. And then only if there is still any money left in the under funded account for those overseeing the program to hire professional trappers or hunters to go in and take out a very few wolves in mostly NW MN. The rest of northern MN resident outside the cities are just stuck with the damage the over population does their animals and the big game.
That's why I'm very skeptical, whenever I hear someone claiming they're going to be one of the first to hunt a wolf legally in their state once they are back under state control. It's more likely it'll be their son who lives to see that day than them. I could be wrong and I hope that western states are able to get back control and have reasonable limits put on the numbers and can have state control. Just wouldn't get overly excited before or after it does happen.
Like it or not, now that Bruce Babbitt let the furry genie with big paws and big teeth out of the "bottle", you've got the Grey Wolf for good. Learn to find a ways to live within that reality.
Here, in MN, we've had Timber Wolves all along. It was just in the 70's when the feds decided they needed to force more of them upon the people of northern MN with listing them on the ES list.
Supposedly, they've now removed them from that list in our state after wolves have multipliedway past the "goal" of 1,251 to 1,400 wolvesby the eary 1980's.
Busy body greenies and well-meaning, but ignorant of the realities of wolves "do gooding" organizations and individuals have stopped with lawsuit after lawsuit in fed courts preventing US F&G and MN DNR from implementing transfer of control to manage the Timber Wolf pop. in our state all of these years.
Even though the Timber Wolf in MN was dropped from "endangered" to "threatened" in 1978, there has yet to be a single wolf legally hunted, aside from a very few each year that are literally caught in the act of killing livestock. And then only if there is still any money left in the under funded account for those overseeing the program to hire professional trappers or hunters to go in and take out a very few wolves in mostly NW MN. The rest of northern MN resident outside the cities are just stuck with the damage the over population does their animals and the big game.
That's why I'm very skeptical, whenever I hear someone claiming they're going to be one of the first to hunt a wolf legally in their state once they are back under state control. It's more likely it'll be their son who lives to see that day than them. I could be wrong and I hope that western states are able to get back control and have reasonable limits put on the numbers and can have state control. Just wouldn't get overly excited before or after it does happen.
Like it or not, now that Bruce Babbitt let the furry genie with big paws and big teeth out of the "bottle", you've got the Grey Wolf for good. Learn to find a ways to live within that reality.
#16
Fork Horn
Joined: Feb 2004
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From: Idaho
personally i think you are right if they ever do issue tags for wolves in idaho it is still down the road quite a ways. either way i do my part to help controlthe wolf population any way i can. i never have been good at waiting for permission to do things anyway so why should this be any different
and if babbit or who ever shows up out here i'll put a bullet in his ass too. and so as far as living in the reality of having to deal with wolves, i think i will be changing that to a more suitable reality for me, my family, and other like minded idahoans.
and if babbit or who ever shows up out here i'll put a bullet in his ass too. and so as far as living in the reality of having to deal with wolves, i think i will be changing that to a more suitable reality for me, my family, and other like minded idahoans.




