You people aren't THAT honest.
 

Everyone in here says how they will turn someone in for something illegal before the deer hits the ground. I don't believe all of you. Sure some would but most of you are just blowing smoke to make yourselves look good. Most of us know right from wrong and whats legal and illegal but guess what, your not all law enforcement officers. I'm sure your intentions are good, mine are too. Probably we've heard of illegal things and didn't report them, in everyday life we've probably seen things. I just wish everyone would stop preaching about how good and ethical they are. I'm not buying it.

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You sound pretty pissed off about something Janc...Guilty Conscience???????????/

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I think that a lot of people on this board would. Where we hunt, I wouldn't if I did catch a poacher. We live too far away to control what they would do to our land and our cabin. I haven't been here long, but anyone willing to help out complete strangers would turn in someone for doing something illegal. Or at least that what I think.
~Cody

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janc, that's exactly why I thought about my response to that question before I posted it. Who are you to tell me what I believe? I'm not here to tell you that I never break the law: I drive like my a$$ is on fire. I've been known to drink too much and drive, and let's not even go in to my college experiences. But I'll tell YOU one thing, I don't know you and I don't care what you think about me. With the anonymity given me by this forum, I can sit here and type whatever I want (truth or lies) whether you like it or agree with it, so why should I say something that I don't believe? I never claimed to be an officer of the law. I probably wouldn't pass the background check. But the last thing I need is some pencilneck telling me all about myself. If you don't think I'd turn you in for poaching, c'mon down and try me! I'm out!

Edited by - GoTres on 01/02/2002 16:37:06

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I'll do more then turn them in.If I have the chance I will set someone up thats doing wrong. I've been known to befriend a poacher ,then set him up and have the wardens waiting and watch him get nailed.Yep a snitch,I like to think it as being a undercover citizen.I got one this past year shooting a deer with a gun in archery season.

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With as much bad press as hunters get we should be laying off eachother and using our efforts to keep our sport alive. Just for the record I have never turned anyone in. I think getting busted may be the only motivation keeping many from poaching so even if we really wouldn't turn someone in putting up the image that we will may stop it from happening. The danger in saying anything else may give the image of condoning poaching and I'm sure none of us want that.

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Janc, why would you even make a post like that here. it doesn't fit in and you should delete it.

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C'mon tell us what you REALLY think!
I am dumbfound by comments and bewildered why you would post such commnets without having full knowledge of those making the post. Are you that cold and synical that you no longer take people for their word? Sure, I'm sure there are those who will post something and do another just as there are those who say one thing and do another but hear THIS - you poach and I catch you - I'll turn you rear end in and let the law sort out the details.

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Man if everone would just do there part in conserving what is "given" to us. Then this artical wouldn't even be needed. The laws are in place for a reason. And I honestly can't say that I don't see the reason behind everyone of them. And belive me I know 99% of them for the game I chase in my state and another I have a lfetime liscens in. I study them. Because I sure don't want to be the one to say Well I didn't know that, and loose all of my privlages. I also want hunting to be a big part of my sons life and what better way to teach him how to follow laws and rules then to teach him through hunting. JUST DO YOUR PART and enjoy. It will be much more satisfying I promise.

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First off, your post seems a little harsh. However, when I stop and re-read your post and really think about it, your right. I have thought the same thing when reading some of the posts. I like to call them "who is the most ethical" threads. I'm guilty as anyone; I'll tell how I would call the GW and turn them in if I even heard about someone poaching. Honestly I guess that is a lie, cause I hear about alot of poaching but since I don't know it all for a fact, I just let it go.

As unpopular as your opinion may be, you are right to a degree. There are some folks on this board who would turn you in if they could prove that you thought about poaching, and there are others who are probably poachers. Then there are all of us "in-betweens" we don't poach but we don't run around looking for those who do.

Boy that ought to rile a few folks up.<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> Serioulsy, if you stop and think about his point, it is valid to a degree. Not <u>everyone</u> of us is an undercover game warden. My hats off to those of you who are.

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Like Cardeer said there is to much poaching
going on,I think Janc is a little out of place who is he to judge any of us unless he
has a guilt trip or something my creditablity
is important to myself as I am sure it is
with all of you right is right wrong is
wrong ethics are what guides us to do right
and protect what is important to us!!

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What brought this post on?????
I may not be an angel but mess with my properity or my hunting I'll bust you for sure.
janc I think you are out of line on this post.

Hunting is nature.
It is our nature to hunt.
I'm not a hunting fanatic just a hunting addict.

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Janc got a point, I have selectively reported people to wildlife officers. My hunting partners don't break games laws because I won't hunt with them, but every once in a while someone makes a mistake. We give them hell but we don't turn them in.

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I sort of have to agree with janc. I know there are many &quot;holier than thou&quot; threads that get started. There are two sides to this coin however: Do you call the police everytime there you witness an infraction of the law? What is the difference between shooting a deer out of season and someone driving drunk or speeding? Breaking the law is just that. Breaking the law. Double standard? Maybe, but as hunters who practice a way of life constantly under attack from all sides by anti's of all shapes and forms, we have to police our own. It is our duty to respect the game we seek, and ensure that is is respected by others. This is the only way our past can continue into the future. That being said, ethics are personal. If it isn't illegal, leave it alone.

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janc, that's exactly why I thought about my response to that question before I posted it. Who are you to tell me what I believe? I'm not here to tell you that I never break the law: I drive like my a$$ is on fire. I've been known to drink too much and drive, and let's not even go in to my college experiences. But I'll tell YOU one thing, I don't know you and I don't care what you think about me. With the anonymity given me by this forum, I can sit here and type whatever I want (truth or lies) whether you like it or agree with it, so why should I say something that I don't believe? I never claimed to be an officer of the law. I probably wouldn't pass the background check. But the last thing I need is some pencilneck telling me all about myself. If you don't think I'd turn you in for poaching, c'mon down and try me! I'm out!

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GoTres

You don't have the 'ANOMYNITY' you think you have on this board!!!!!!

The moderator can check your ISP, and learn exactly who you are!!!!!!

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I agree with TxCowboy and frizzellr on this one.

I think I would have to call myself an &quot;in-between&quot; by TxCowboy's definition.

Can't we all just get along? <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

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I don't know the reason for you're post, but it doesn't matter what you think, I know of two brothers who don't care about seasons or bag limits. I've spoke to the wardens about them and they all know them by name, however trying to catch them is another thing. The warden went by their house the 30th of Dec. and found an untagged buck in the back of their truck, he fined the $205 and tagged the deer after he checked his licence and if he had a legal tag, which he luckily did. The brother that was fined took the blame because the brother that killed the deer was out of tags. Always hard to prove unless they get caught in the act. These boys specialty is tresspassing...they've gotten away with it for awhile but it is going to catch up to them.

SOTHRDNK

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Twakk, you probably know the boys I'm talking about, they've lived in Southside all their life.

SOTHRDNK

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I think janc may be onto something, to a certain degree. I'm no &quot;goodie-goodie,&quot; that's why I stay out of the &quot;holier than thou&quot; threads. For instance, I'm friends with a landowner who has good opportunity for deer on his land. He's invited my son & I to hunt his land. But he tells of taking deer on his own land with a rifle. In southern MD, that's a no-no. He also told me to go ahead and rifle hunt on his land, it's okay. (I didn't, of course.) Now, I've never seen him hunt with a rifle, and I've never seen him with anything other than legal hunting tools.

Do you think I'm going to turn him in, because I suspect he's breaking the rules on his land?

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Well so far I have not heard of, nor seen any poachers down my way, I am sure they are there though, I just have not lived there long enough to know them yet. I have turned a few in down home, but I KNEW they were spot lighting and knew where. If I heard someone bragging about poaching I, like cardeer would befriend them to gain the data to get them busted. I am not playing holier than thou, that is just the way I am. Am I a saint?? Heck no, not when it comes to speed limits, but other than that I am not one to tolerate people who break laws that may harm others or wildlife.

The Tazman

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I believe that most people on this board are telling the truth. This board is full of ethical hunters, not SLOBS!!!

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That's the whole reason that I posted my &quot;Ethical: Monster in doe season&quot;. I saw a 14 pt buck walk right by me first day of doe season, when I told all my hunting buddies about it, they all said I should have capped him. I'm glad to see that this board is a little more ethical than some of my buddies, but not to worry, they couldn't find a buck to poach it if they tried.

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Let's not confuse ethics with legality. Some things are illegal, some things are unethical, some are both. Shooting a buck during doe season is criminal, ethics is a moot point in that case.

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Hmmmmm, some of you guys that are playing backyard psychologist, reading into janc's post that he may be suffering from a quilty conscience for posting such a question need to go back and reread your mail order study books!!
janc has posted a legitimate observation on his part, I also have posted similar thoughts in the past. Let's see now, how did I put it? &quot;It seems that some of our friends here on the board put theirselves out there as something much more than they really are.&quot; Yea, that's the general idea.
Most of the people here are what they say they are, do what they say they do but let's face it, some of our friends here are really full of it. As far as poaching, I agree that the vast majority here do not and will not do it, but I don't think that is the only thing that janc was referring to.
With all that said, this is still the best dang hunting board that I've found and I really enjoy hanging out here.

Mark in SC

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janc; If you owned your own land and people were poaching bucks off the property dont even try and tell me you wouldnt notify the game wardens. We have had game cops set up fake bucks on my property and catch people trying to shoot them. This way the people who get caught dont know who ratted on them. Game cops are there for a reason If you didnt turn someone in you are just as bad as they are. I also believe everyone on this board is very ethical or at least trys to be. Your biggest problem is you dont preach it and dont buy it

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I turned in my Uncle for shooting an illegal doe a few years back - is that what you are looking for ? He was fined heavily, meat was confiscated but his license wasn't taken.

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JANC, although Iv'e never seen poaching in progress, I've turned in people when I'm in a position to do so. I've followed drunk drivers while on the phone with the police, turned in wreckless drivers, hit-and-run drivers, peeping-toms, and shoplifters.

I will continue to do what I think is right, as long as I am able.

The amount of risk I will expose myself to has changed since I have been married and will be starting a family, but anyone that's not a sheep can do what I do.

I hope some of these responses gave you a better perspective of the hunting lifestyle and mind-set.

Keep 'em all in the Bull.

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Well I'll have to say I've never gone to the extent of Cardeer or Taz. But I have turned in reports to the warden three times when I thought I had enough info for him to do something. Only resulted in action one of the three times. Two guys got busted for a poached buck. Other two times he wasn't able to act. On one of them he told me he was sure of who, but not enough hard evidence to arrest on. Other time was a pure dead end even though I showed him the bodies, they didn't come back for them (poached deer).

I've never acted on things I just hear. Too much BS out there and I don't want to waste a wardens time.

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I have no problem with someone shooting to feed their family.

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Doc

And is it OK if he robs your house to feed his famly too? Poaching is theivery, plain and simple!

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i know where your coming from and i usually wouldnt turn someone in for a minor offense but if somebody came on the land i hunt and did somethin illegal i would take action as i know most people would or if it was on public land but i will admit i probably wouldnt do nothin if they did it on their land or if i was on someone elses land and i saw soemone do somethin i would tell the owner and let them do what they wanted and i ahte to admit it but i dont think our officials here would do much just a slap on the wrist so prolly i woulda just take the deer from them
HOYT

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I didn't reply to the earlier post, just read it. The local GW has full permission to enter my land, stake it out, set up decoys, etc. So far he has busted two poachers in the bottom. At the first sign of spotlighting he gets a call. I don't report rumors or bragging; no proof. But I will give the GW hints as to what I have heard. I can't report suspected poachers on second-handed information. But when the GW makes an on site arrest; it's one more poacher burned.

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Doc623, I talk a lot to the local GW and he once made a comment that stuck with me. He said something to this effect,&quot;Years ago in the depression days I could understand a person taking a deer to feed his/her family. But, These days there are plenty of programs out there available for those people to get help. Pride is no excuse.&quot;

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Let me clear up my stance on this......I don't think there is ANY doubt that any of us would turn in tresspassers, poachers, or spotlighters on our own property or hunting grounds. That is unless you yourself were an outlaw or unless you handled the situation yourself. What I'm talking about (and what I think Janc is talking about) is the threads that are so common on here about how how we'd turn in someone if we heard they had been poaching or suspected it or how we would never break any type of game law ourselves.

I admit that I try to be a very ethical hunter and obey the game laws but I'd be lying if I said I never killed a squirrel or rabbit before I even checked to see if they were in season. I remember a huge thread over in the Bowhunting forum where a majority of the folks started bashing a guy because he said he shot a rabbit in his back yard with his bow. Well some do-gooder noticed what state he was from and saw that rabbit season was closed and just had to bring that to everyone's attention. It went downhill from there with people calling him a poacher and threatening to turn him in. The thought had never even crossed his mind as to whether the rabbit was in season. But that didn't stop the self-righteous from beating thier chests and bragging how ethical they were.

Those are the threads that make me sick, because 90% of the folks reading it would have shot the rabbit too.IMO

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The sure way to lose credibility is to start a thread then run away.Credible people stay around to defend their cause.

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These threads DO make for interesting discussion and can bring out some things that we might need to think about.

Nobody wants anyone to trespass on the land that they hunt....but......

I have participated in threads where I have pointed out that trespassing to &quot;recover your deer&quot; is an illegal activity. That fits the definition of poaching quite nicely. Yet many hunters will []uopenly admit[/u] that they will trespass onto posted land, to recover a deer &quot;out of respect for the animal.&quot;

Trespassing is every bit a illegal as shooting the monster buck out of season as was discussed on the other thread. I think every single person said, &quot;No, I wouldn't shoot it. It isn't even a question of ethics, it's downright illegal.&quot; (or things to that effect).

Think about that. We wouldn't SHOOT the buck under illegal conditions, but some of us (surprisingly quite a few!) would TRACK the buck under illegal conditions, as in trespassing on posted land. Tracking an animal is hunting.

According to the reasoning on the other thread, if it is illegal, then of course it is unethical, right? No one seemed to argue that point.

It seems, however, that rule goes right out the window after the shot is fired.

Maybe janc isn't all wrong.

I am not telling anyone how to hunt. Just something to think about.

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These threads DO make for interesting discussion and can bring out some things that we might need to think about.

Nobody wants anyone to trespass on the land that they hunt....but......

I have participated in threads where I have pointed out that trespassing to &quot;recover your deer&quot; is an illegal activity. That fits the definition of poaching quite nicely. Yet many hunters will []uopenly admit[/u] that they will trespass onto posted land, to recover a deer &quot;out of respect for the animal.&quot;

Trespassing is every bit a illegal as shooting the monster buck out of season as was discussed on the other thread. I think every single person said, &quot;No, I wouldn't shoot it. It isn't even a question of ethics, it's downright illegal.&quot; (or things to that effect).

Think about that. We wouldn't SHOOT the buck under illegal conditions, but some of us (surprisingly quite a few!) would TRACK the buck under illegal conditions, as in trespassing on posted land. Tracking an animal is hunting.

According to the reasoning on the other thread, if it is illegal, then of course it is unethical, right? No one seemed to argue that point.

It seems, however, that rule goes right out the window after the shot is fired.

Maybe janc isn't all wrong.

I am not telling anyone how to hunt. Just something to think about.
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I don't know about where you live, but here, and other states where I hunt, the LAW REQUIRES, you to make every effort to recover a wounded deer.

Sure the proper way is to go explain it to the landowner, and get his permission first, but frequently you have absentee landowners, and have land that is not posted, so which law do you violate? Privet Property, or Recover your game animal law?