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Vc, my friend you always bring up interesting debates! I agree with you here 100%.
Pistoltrainer, I think you helped prove Vc's point exactly, which law do you break? See by tracking that wounded animal across a property line, you are breaking the law plain and simple. Therefore, by most of the opinions expressed on this board, you'd be poaching. What Vc points out is everyone here can claim they would never tresspass or poach but if their wounded deer crossed a property line, they would most likely keep on going.(illegally I might add.) Hey, I'm not gonna lie, I've done it before and I'll do it again, when I'm trailing one and he crosses the line, I'm never slowing down. But then again, I'm the one on the "wrong" side of this debate anyway. |
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Pistoltrainer-you overlooked the third and best option.Contact your local conservation officer.He will try to contact a landowner then whether or not he can reach them, he will accompany you to the private land to recover your animal.In this way you break no laws and won't get any hassle from the landowner.
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HEY EVERYONE! We dont need each other at each others throats! Did you ever hear of the phrase "Divide and Conquer!"? Believe this-- the ANTI'S can get to this site and many others to use this sort of talk against us! I'm not an angel by any means, but GOD knows I do try! If I find someone on my land when they are not supposed to be there, I ask them 'WHY'. Then, if I find them again, I call the law. Just a talking to by a sherrif will usually keep them off the property for good and then they tell their buddies the same. NO PSYCHOLOGY LESSON---NO HIDING BEHIND CODENAMES--NO GUILTY CONSCENCE--NO TYPING LESSONS---JUST DOING THE BEST I CAN WITH MYSELF AND TRYING TO GIVE A HAND TO SOMEONE WHEN NEEDED--JUST STATING MY OPINION BECAUSE I CAN AND YOU CAN--IT'S CALLED FREEDOM--WE HAVE IT AND WE NEED TO KEEP IT! THANKS!
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Pistoltrainer-you overlooked the third and best option.Contact your local conservation officer.He will try to contact a landowner then whether or not he can reach them, he will accompany you to the private land to recover your animal.In this way you break no laws and won't get any hassle from the landowner. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote> The problem here in PA is that the Conservation Officers, at least in our area, do not want to be bothered with wounded critters. We called them when my son (then 13) hit his first deer which traveled only about 150 - 200 yards into HEAVLY posted land, and we called the guy who postes it (Not the absentee landowner) and that guy, a public school teacher, refused us permission to go after the deer. We learned later that "That Great Sportsman" went after it himself, finished off the disabled animal, and claimed it as his. The CO said, its not an issue for us.......deal with it yourself. My son really wanted his 1st buck desperatly, but we did not go after it. Since that time we have 'wised up'. If we have to trail a wounded animal, "we do not look up to see where the property lines are". Here the CO won't even go on privet property to invistagate poaching with the land owners permission, which we learned when my son observed a "hunter (?)" shoot 2 doe the first day of buck season, take one leave the other one lay. When we called the CO's they came, but would not go investigate till we found the farmer (landowner), and got his permission!!! |
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VC111 is controversial by nature. He doesn't care who is divided or conquered. He only cares that everyone thinks he is right and that when he leaves he has imparted his "hoolier than thou art" views on everyone with in shouting distance. Pretty self-righteous huh. Try to ignore him. People like him try to start conflict under the mask "being ethical". When it comes right down to it, he just wants to cause trouble. VC111 is the very person that janc was addressing in the first place.
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Let me offer a example of how one good sportsmen handled the private property issue AND a state line to boot.
A deer was seen running in a panic and it leaped through a picture glass window of a house, went through the house and crashed through a sliding patio glass door. A clear blood trail lead away. The trail crosse the state line AND onto my property. The man call a Mi. warden and explained what had happened. The warden came out and checked the house and blood trail. In the interest of dispatching the animal he told the Ohio hunter he could follow it up as long as he had blood sign. Well the warden stoped to talk to me and explain the situation. I already knew this warden and no problem with it. I even went along and helped track. We tracked it for over 500 yards before the blood faded away. The point is this Ohio hunter did everything right and got co-operation at every step. And he was legal at every step even though he was for most of it in a closed season state that he had no license for at all. And had we jumped that deer while still haveing the blood trail the warden had told him he could finish it (shoot). If the land owner is not helpfull you should turn to a warden for aid. Not for you to decide for yourself. Then you are in the wrong. |
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Look at the people turn out when they think their honor is at stake. I never singled anyone out so don't get all uptight. Gee, I guess if you don't reply to something in the first five minutes your considered to be one who posts and runs. I have to work people, can't sit at a computer 24/7. Anyway. I could get all upset because people say I have a guilty conscience, thats not what this post was about. I do own my own land and don't post it at all. It's nature and I want people to enjoy it. Sure there are plenty of deer on the property, luckily there isn't a huge poaching problem in my area. I just simply stated that everyone here isn't as holy as the preach themselves to be. Just a matter of fact. Look into it, more people don't report a crime than do, so the majority here can't fall into the undercover cop column.
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Hey janc, I really don't care if you are buying it or not, you have not been here long enough to make any comments on the great group of honest hunters we have here. Maybe you should not be here.
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Oh i see. You have to be here for awhile to be any good at something. Mmmm interesting. If you've been married longer than me does that mean your better at it? Hardly. I've been here long enough to know whats going on. Sounds like you are worried about someone stepping on your thoughts.... Too bad. It's a message board and thats what its for.
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Texas Hunter, please clarify yourself. I read your post to say that new people aren't welcome to post on this message board. It just looks to me like janc is seeing some B.S. and is calling it as they see it, and doing a good job of it if I might add.
To everyone: It sure seems that lately on this and other boards on this site that certain people enjoy to put others down and value what someone says based on how many posts they have made. Please tell me if I'm wrong here but there's something seriously wrong that we should all be looking at. I realize that there was some jerks on here just trying to antagonize everyone here and I think it worked beyond all of thier imaginations as we sit here and attack eachother and call eachother names. C'mon people! Choose your battles wisely. |
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I hate poachers who take deer illegally that my grandson, nephew, or myself could have taken and enjoyed. I am someone that they look up to and I will do the best I can to instill in them the importance of game laws and what is right and wrong to do when it comes to hunting. I will encourage them when I am not with them and demand when I am that all game laws be obeyed. I would and will turn in to the Game Commission anyone breaking one of these laws.
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Deerslayer,
Well said, and you're right on the money! ! This isn't the first time I've seen the despicable claim made that if you're new your opinion doesn't count. Or the hostile suggestion that the person should leave. BS, if those are your best arguements to put forward then perhaps it's those putting forward such valuless statments like that, that should in fact GO! Just showing that you have no valid point left to put forward, when you respond in that manner. It must be that Janc touched a nerve that is raw to the wind to get you guys flaming that hard. |
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silentassassin, perhaps you should consider changing your name to characterassassin. Just kidding.
You could at least try to dispute my opinion, rather than just attack me personally. I have said nothing about any one person, including you. The law is usually in black and white. Ethics are usually, as I and many others have pointed out, somewhat different. Perhaps we can all say: "To each his own....differents strokes for different folks"........until it comes to matters of law. Now silentassassin, ask yourself this question...."Is that opinion, or is that fact?" By the hostility in your response to my post, I cannot help but presume that your answer would be: <center>"That is only opinion."</center> ================================================== =================== The rest of this is to no one in particular.. And for what it's worth, I would like to add that if you are a "fawn," and this is your first post........I respect your opinion as much as the first guy that ever posted on this or any other board. |
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My "character assassination" of you has little to do with this post. It has more to do with some of your past post in which you told so many members of the board what scumbags they were because they have different points of view than you. I wouldn't ask my an adjoining property owner to track a deer on his property because it is not expected. It may be difficult for some to understand but where I hunt it's a "southern hospitatilty thing". It is absolutely absurd to think someone would not let you retrieve a deer on their prooperty. The simple fact of the matter is that if someone wont let you track a deer on them then they are a first class prick and it is they who are disrespecting the animal and they should be forced to allow you to retrieve it.
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Maybe it would have been better titled "Some People Aren't That Honest". Your inferring thateveryon says they would turn someon in, but none do.
There are always those who say a lot of things they never follow through with. The importatn thing is that there are a lot of us who do turn violators in, some ona regular basis. I have reported and testified in court on many game violations, DUIs, reckless driving, and thefts. I guess waht puzzles me the most is thepparent angry outburst on this. Are you paranoid that there really are a lot of people out there that turn violators in? Dream to Hunt...Hunt to Dream |
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She definitely has problems.On another thread she wants to arrest a fellow who killed a vicious dog that was attacking him.She thought the fellow should have arrested the dog for tresspassing instead.
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I belitled my self early in this post by responding to it.
Now i'm doing it again but!! I think this post is out of control and that we should put a stop to it. Just my .02 Hunting is nature. It is our nature to hunt. I'm not a hunting fanatic just a hunting addict. |
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Silentassassin, I will be the first to admit to you that VC and I don't agree on <u>many</u> things. Go over to the Politics board for awhile and you will see what I mean. However, I will stand by him on his comments here. He has stated a fact that the law and ethics aren't always the same thing. He also brought up some interesting scenerios that deal with the topic at hand. He called no one by name or even reffered to anyone.
You on the other hand come into the debate doing nothing but spewing your hate and calling names? You refer to Vc calling people "scumbags" because they don't agree with him?? P-a-lease! I challenge you to find those posts and copy them here. I have debated Vc many times on many issues, and while I don't agree with him on issues and he trys to be difficult to debate; I have never heard him call anyone a scumbag or anything even close to that. All that is beside the point anyway; if you have a problem with Vc from past posts, you need to work it out privately or ignore him, but blasting him on this thread because of something he said 200 posts ago is very childish. |
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silentassassin, I know what you mean about an "understanding" with your neighbors. That is a fine thing, and you should feel very fortunate.
Obviously, I am talking about posted lands, or lands where you do not have permission, there is no "understanding" and the hunter goes on that land anyway and hunts. On the thread that you are talking about certain posters literally bragged about killing GAME animals out of season, and illegally using dogs to track animals, among other things. I referred to that as poaching and them as poachers. They brag about it, publicly and loudly, and they fit the definition to a T. The author of that thread boasted by saying something to the effect "I don't know if using dogs is illegal. It doesn't concern me much." …..That is what you are defending, silentassassin. Think about that. I would like you to take a moment and re-read what you have publicly stated on this board. (I hope you don’t mind that I took the liberty of editing out your vulgarity) It bespeaks your hostile attitude and total <u>disrespect for the rights</u> of all landowners: ” It is absolutely absurd to think someone would not let you retrieve a deer on their property. The simple fact of the matter is that if someone wont let you track a deer on them then they are a first class pr*ck and it is they who are disrespecting the animal and they should be forced to allow you to retrieve it.” Can you imagine someone teaching their kid’s those types of values? Can you imagine that type of thing being taught in a Hunter Education Class? <font color=blue><center>This board is one big reflection.</center></font id=blue>. <center>How do we look?</center> <center>(How do you look?)</center> |
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I also agree with Janc to a point.
It amazes me how people think they know someone because they converse on a messsage board.People naturally exaggerate things and others are just BSers. I read some people posts and I think to mysef "yea right". The people on this board are just like the guys that hang out at the local bar.You have good and honest people.Guys that you can't believe a word they say.Tough guys(cybermusces=beer muscles) and people that are never wrong.The funny guy and the guy that wants to just fit in.I had a site that listed all the types of people you meet on message boards but it got deleted.It was pretty interesting. This medium of conversation does make BSing alot eaiser because you never have to really meet the other person. Look how many people go to one of those "meet some one chats" and think they are talking to a beuty queen then they find out it ain't exactly like that. I'll be totally honest I kept a 14 3/4 inch walleye when the legal limit was 15. If anyone really believes everything that they read on a message board,get a grip.lol. |
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Anyone that knows me, knows I am a stickler for rules and regs. Guess thats why they always ask me to judge fishing tournaments, even when I am friends with half the participants.
Why just today, while hunting a wildlife area near my house, I came upon a nailed stand in a tree (illegal in De. on state land) and a feeder made of pvc. well the feeder came out with me and into a dumpster and the tree stand is now fire wood. Just wish I could be there to see the look on that persons face when they go there. I believe people if they say they obey laws and would enforce them. Especially when said on a public forum. I will never meet most of you on here, so you have nothing relly to gain by lying. AllenC |
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This is the site I was talking about it's kinda funny.Can you find yourself on it?
http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame1.html Edited by - Charlie P on 01/06/2002 10:15:47 |
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The title of the thread is "You people aren't that Honest." I state the obvious to illustrate that janc is throwing us all under the bus on this one. I'm not concerned with how many posts the person has, only that my integrity has been called into question as has yours. Whether or not we are all law enforcement officers has little to do with whether or not we obey the law. As pointed out, this may be a bit hypocritical, because I admit to speeding, etc., but I don't condone breaking the law by poaching. The main reason that I got stirred up in the first place is that janc makes it sound like "it's ok if you don't get caught." What difference does it make whether or not we are all game wardens? Can we not obey the game laws when we aren't being watched? That is what janc was calling you on the carpet for, fellow posters. Don't lose sight of the fact that we have all been indicted by the thread.
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Her big mistake was stating"you people aren't that honest".Basically she is accusing us all not just suggesting some individuals may be dishonest.It's silly blanket statements like that that show a lack of forethought by the person making them.
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Hey Nick, just because someone only has 20 posts doesn't mean $hit. Look how many I have. I guess you could consider my opinion to mean nothing because of such a low number of posts. Although, I have been watching this board for nearly 2 years now. I'm just not much on posting topics. Just because someone has a low number of posts doesn't mean they haven't been around.
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Janc I read your post, Decided to read up on the facts and #s for Illinois. If you go to the Illinois Department of Natural resources website under Law Enforcements monthly activities you can read about some of the people whom have been sited for illegal hunting and fishing and about some of the good people who were honest enough to turn them in. And about some of the illegal activities done by the non hunting public on our illinois lands. You said ( I just wish everyone would stop preaching about how good and ethical they are. Im not buying it.) My ethics are not for sale so you dont need to worry about buying it.
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I am with mizzou, there is a horse that is being whipped that has been dead for quite a while. Lock this thread, all it is doing is causing a big stink over an accusation that can neither be proven or disproven.
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...As unpopular as your opinion may be, you are right to a degree. There are some folks on this board who would turn you in if they could prove that you thought about poaching, and there are others who are probably poachers. Then there are all of us "in-betweens" we don't poach but we don't run around looking for those who do. Boy that ought to rile a few folks up.<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> Serioulsy, if you stop and think about his point, it is valid to a degree. Not <u>everyone</u> of us is an undercover game warden. My hats off to those of you who are. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote> LOL. This is really a fine and hilarious post, Tex! HAHAHAHA, and true too! I have never "turned anyone in" for posting, and prolly would never think to do it if I had to go through a lengthy melodrama. I just don't want some grimy slob hunter threatening my wife and kids because he got caught being a slob. But I have gotten poachers nabbed anonymously. Where I hunt the state makes it easy. I saw the guys, knew exactly what was up, whipped out the trusty cell phone, called the 800 number and voila! In about twenty minutes them boys was busted and no one even knew I had done it. Which kinda reminds me. Yall hear this fishing joke? A guy is fishing a lake and after catching a bucket of fish he decides to make his way home. A game warden then approaches him. WARDEN: "Hey buddy, you got a license to catch them fish?" FISHERMAN: "Uh, no sir. These here be my pet fish." WARDEN: "PET FISH!???" FISHERMAN: "Yessir. I brings them down here to the lake, let 'em swim 'round a bit, then whistle and they all jump back in the bucket." WARDEN: "YEAH RIGHT! Well you just let me see this." So the fisherman dumps the fish into the lake and then just stands there. WARDEN: "WELL???" FISHERMAN: "Well what?" WARDEN: "Let's see the fish!!!" FISHERMAN: "What fish?" (LOL) Edited by - Swampmonster on 01/07/2002 12:06:01 |
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I think everyone who has hunted has done a little something wrong. If not, good for you. I have killed more than the bag limit before but not one drop of the meat was wasted! My family eats every bit I kill.
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WOW! I just read every post on this thread. Here is what I have to say...swampmonster, that was a good one about the fish. HeHe
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