Killer,

I am begining to think your are just jerking my chain. I have better thing's to do! Have a good day.

I'm jerking your chain??? You had plenty of time to pull my chain when you didn't think I knew anything about shooting, now all of the sudden, you're really busy, well, so am I.

I think you're making this stuff up as you go, and sorry, but you're not doing a very good job at it.

Good day.

I think you guys are really saying the same thing. MPBR or PBR is where the bullets path stays within the target parameters from bore to xx yards. Anythingoutside of thisrequires compensation on the shooters part.

Ie: My 150 BT load produces 3250 MV - running a ballistic program for my area here are some highlighted figures:

@ 32 yards near 0
@100 yards +2"
@ 150 Yards +2.4"(highest point above target centre)
@250 Yards 0
@300 Yards -2.8"

0 to 300 yards at no time does the bullet leave the 6" target zoneI have allocated, I consider this the loads MPBR for deer sized target. Beyond 300 yards I must make adjustments to remain within the target size in terms of elevation. This is strictly load cabability doesn't take in account wind drift, shooting ability, etc. Theory basedthat must be proven on the range to be consider accurate.

Skeeter,
Thanks, but we're not saying the same thing.

And just so you know, at 300 yards, you're .4" beyond the Point Blank range yards for your given weapon/cartrage.\

It isn't a debate, he's way wrong, and you're off by only .4", by definition (but only with the numbers you provided), and it sounds like you took the repsonsible route and gave yourself a tighter pattern than necessary by projecting some due error on your part.

But, he's not saying what you're saying.

KP

Sorry I stand corrected by true definition the MPBR with this (actual) load is 293yards.

Skeeter,

I you and I are on the same page. If Killer is not just jerking my chain then he is trying to make a lot more out of this than there is to make. Here's a quote from Killer. Probally say's it all.

"So, maximum point blank range does not fit into this shooting logic, not at least on it’s own, and I have never heard of that term, which is why I asked."

Which bring's up the question that if he's never heard of the term and has to ask about it,why argue againstthe defination of it from a respected reloading manual? He doesn't have to believe me, it's a published defination. Just this type of thing is where lot's of miss-information come's from.