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This morning Iwas thinking about how global warming has impacted weather and whitetail deer in Minnesota. We are currently in a bit of a cold snap in MN with wind chills pushing temps to -20 and -30 degrees for this week. We have had very mild winters and hotter summers that last 15 or so years. It used to be very common to have a lot of days of very cold weather and much snow, but in the last 15 years or so things have really mellowed out, weather wise.
The deer population, about 1.5 million in MN the last time I heard, has grown quite a bit over the past decade, as winter weather much milder and food sources liklier more abundant. I suspect though that if global warming continues we could begin to have more drought and lessening food source for deer. I guess I see populations declining at some point during my life time.
What are the thoughts of others on the possible impact of global warming on deer in your area?

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In the past 12 years except this one the winters have been very low on snow fall. This has helped the deer population in the area I hunt. What I have noticed is that there is many more big bucks and more fawns. It has been normal to seeone fawn with a doe but now I see 2 and even 3. I guess global warming has a plus side to it. I heard in the future Alberta will be like Flordia and Flordia will be "poof" gone, under water

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Global warming has only caused an average temperature rise of less than 2 degrees. I'm not sure that's enough to even notice. Local climate does have trends too, and I'm wondering if that's not what your noticing in your locations. Where I live we are having a colder than usual winter. With all the snow we're having too, I think thereis going to be lots of winter kill this year.:(Not to mention the wolves.

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I personly dont believe in global warming,i think that it is just a big scam by our govt.If you look back through time and history the earths temp has risen and fallen,just look at the ice age.

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the correct term is not global warming. the earth as a whole is not warming. its called global climate change. some areas are getting warmer, some actually colder and the equator and other areas wont change much at all. some areas will get wetter, some dryer. theres a TON of models out there scientist came up with. ll in. the "corn belt" of the middle of the country is expected to slowly migrate north. pretty iwe were just talking about it in ecology because its slowly changing alot of ecology. we are getting birds in PA that we never had before. animals will be the first to change because they can move the fastest. slowly the soils and plants will change. all depends what area you are in. interesting stuff to say the least. it will be interesting to see what happens over our lifetimes.

our winter thus far in PA has been very odd to say the least. opening day of rifle season right after thanksgiving i was in a tshirt and vest. up till about xmas we only had 1 snowfall i believe. now january it finally got cold. but its been kinda REALLY cold. lows in the teens..highs in the 20s. been snowing lake effect snow daily. and alot of small 1-3 inch snows pretty often. maybe winter will be later now..who knows. alot of plants and flowers started blooming and coming up. now they are frozen solid. alot of animals lost their winter fur a long time ago..i dont know for sure but things like that cannot be good. when we usually had winter it was pretty dang mild to say the least. now its freezing. i guess in the end nature will take its course. plants and animals will learn to adapt or slowly migrate to diffrent locations.

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You can term global warming or global climate change or whatever you prefer to term it. I am of firm belief that it exists and has already made significant weather change in MN, and broader worl wide. If I recall right, the last little ice age, occurred due to only a 2.5 degree change/drop in temp due to a large volcanic eruption.
People have been golfing in December, January and February at times the past 5-6 years in MN. 15-20 years ago, that would not have been a thought let alone a possibility with longer stretches of below zero temps and inches upon inches of snow.

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I don't believe the whole global warning thing either. Many scientists have proven that it is nothing more than a natural cycle that could change and reverse at any time.
As one stated, some parts of the country are actually colder than normal with more snow than usual.
Its just a part of nature.
Who knows, in 50 years people may be crying global cooling, but it will be all the same.

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After my last post, I checked the weather....record LOWs for this weekend. Instead of warming, as I said, it is more of a climatic change.
Places like MN are having less snow, but not necessarily higher temps.
That would equate to different patterns in the jet stream and where the moisture is going.
So far this winter, the moisture has gone farther south, especially in the mid US, but the jet stream doesn't flow in a straight line, so it will vary everywhere.
Just another thought.

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Nothing has been proven by either side. I'm a geologist and I've had some courses dealing with subject - the latest was titled Midwest Paleoclimate, which pretty much dealt with the changes that occurred that allowed to the glaciers to advance and retreat from the midwest (a truly fascinating subject). The best data/research being done currently supports the theory that temperatures are rising, and will continue to rise. At the current rate, all the glaciers are expected to be gone from Glacier National Park in ~20 years.

Many try to dismiss this as a natural variation in the climate; however, the changes that we are being observed are unprecedented in the natural record. The largest issue is the nearly exponential increase of CO2 observed in the upper atmosphere. The quantities that are currently being observed along the lines of what was recorded during periods of mass volcanism on the planet.

In the US, it is predicted that the weather patterns will be become warmer and wetter – which result in more severe weather (including hurricanes). As the polar cap on the north pole melts, don’t expect Florida to go under water; however, when the polar ice cap on the south pole melts, that’s a different story - since there is actually land under there (I always liked the analogy, if you have a glass of ice water, and the ice melts, does the glass overflow?)

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I know that this is a topic that hasseveral sides and up to debate so I respect and appreciate everyones views. I do have to say that Minnesota had the hottest year in "recorded" history last year, 2006, so not necessarily hotter temps is not quite accurate.

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We can't even quess what the weather will do next week but we know what the glaciers will do 20 years from now.:eek:The melting pattern could change next week or may already have.

If you look at what scientist were saying 20 years ago,we should already be gone.

The best part,scientist say the Earth's temperature is rising and has been for 100 years,I want to know how the thermometers were calibrated back then.[:-]


Not saying warming isn't occuring or climate change but to say that humans are the cause is a bit of a stretch at best.Heck,one volcanic eruption puts more gasses into the air than all vehicles ever have throughout their history.Too many ice ages to blame humans.


It is mainly junk science to obtain federalresearch money.


When and why did scientist start presenting THEORIES as FACT ?



As to deer,everything will affect what they do.As long as a food source is availalble,they will adabt.

I had a B-1 bomber crash a couple hundred yards from one of the best spots I had and it was next to a buck bedding area.I never did find those darn deer again.[:@]

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I think its a crock of BS too. Some scientists claim it exists some claim it doesn't. If it truly was something of concern they'd all be on the same page. Besides if it does exist what in the heck is anyone gonna do about it? Nothing!

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Don't you know?

All we need to do is quit driving our suv's and get a hybrid.[8D]:D:eek:

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its been alot like that in OH its wierd but not global warming it used to be global cooling but that went away with the bell bottoms.

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I can really feel that "heat" coming down from northern Canada and Alaska now where it's - 45 to -50 F. It's going to be in the -20 to -30 F at night and high of -5 F on Sat. here. Wew please another glass of ice tea plzzz!

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But you do have to admit that it is not as cold as previous years. It makes me really sad because I love winter because it is cold. Just a couple of years ago it was -54 F one day, man was that a cold snowmobile trip.

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Yeah, this global warming is nuts!

High of 4 tomorrow in Des Moines, then the warm southern air moves in for a high of 13 on Saturday before back to 4 on Sunday.



Simple answer to Al Gore and all the other Chicken Little's out there: Conservation of energy, simple physics.

The Law of the Conservation of Energy states"


Heat is a form of energy; therefore as others have said before me, the planet is not getting warmer as a whole. Some areas are getting wamer, while others are getting colder. The amount of heat is not increasing, it merely shifts from area to area.

I guess since he inventer the internet, now Al Gore thinks he can erase the laws of physics!



Bottom line: Parts of the earth go through cyclical temperature changes of alternating heating and cooling. When one area heats up, another cools and vice versa. We're not gaining heat.

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What you're talking about is normal variances of temperatures, weather that have happened throughout history and from evidence dug up frequently has been going on as long as time. It's been much warmer over the course of thousands and tens of thousands of years and much colder. Both long before there were any numbers of people running around.

"Climate" changes can only be measure of very long periods of centuries or more. In the Middle Ages they had temperatures that were considerably warmer leading to increased crops, better standards of living for the day, etc. followed in the 200 years + of some very cold decades what are sometimes called "the mini-ice age". Neither can be traced back to anything people were doing.

In the 1960's we heard a similar drumbeat of "pollution is leading us to another Ice Age." Meaning, "we're all doomed unless we all do exactly what 'they the experts' tell us we 'must' do to change your [our] ways." Then they found it was getting cold, but warming a fraction of a degree avg. over the past century. Wow, now they've changed the drum beat to ""pollution is leading us to global warming...we're all doomed unless we all do exactly what 'they the experts' tell us we 'must' do to change your [our] ways."

Cleaning up air, water and land to make it better are good goals, if it's just for that purpose. What's being hyped with this latest globalmedicine show is 99% political fertilizer and 1% science.

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Problem is the 1% science is based off of 100% fertilizer.


Anyone else laugh at Hybrid's and their drivers when they're being ironic?
Saw a lady on the way home from the hospital today driving a Prius. Probably thinking that she's "saving the planet." Funny thing is she was smoking a cigarette:D

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When I was little the snow used to be up to my knees.

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i remember back in thelate 60's it was global cooling . people love to scare you


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I see that climate changing is happening whether we like it or not. I have seen our deer herd starting to do some strong increasing in this area due to a mild winter last year. I hope that the mild winters will continue up here for a while. I also see our oil useage is not as heavey in the past, but, with the rise in prices we do not notice it so much. I feel with the growing rate droughts are in order and that food sources will need to be watched. With the warming of the climates and hot and cold air mixing brings great storms like those we all have been seeing. I do not believe it is man made though, some may be to a lesser extent. I do feel that we need to watch our drinking water supply close as with drought our drinking water also is effected. But, none the less all the scientists in the world can not change what is happening. They say Maine will be like New Jersey when all is done but, whatever happens we can not change that.

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Maybe Algore, and the other global warming geniuses can figure out what we need to drive to make the outside temp. a perfect72 degrees room temperature.

C. Davis

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Or maybe you could study the planetary allignment issues that have affected the planets everytime they happen!:D

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Anchorage has had the most snow they have ever had this winter, it was like 70 inches or something like that. Here in California, we are about 57% below for our snow pack, so hopefully some Alaska storms will make it down here. It is global wierding not warming.;)

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It turned out to be -30 F at night the past couple nights and high of -15 F. Hope some of this cold North wind is headed your way! Last Friday they were actually considering postponing "St. Paul Winter Carnival" activities, because it was soooo coooolllddd! LOL
;)

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Hold on...let me go crank up my hunting truck. It hasn't had a catalytic converter since 1986. That should bump the temp. up for you a little bit.:D

C. Davis

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global warming or not... my truck said it was -39 this am... (celsius) and the radio station said -49 to -50 with the windchill..... so... clearly global warming is not working....[&:][:o]

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The Temperature isin the single digits here in Western , New York . That Global Warming is wreaking havoc on us ! :eek:

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I'm sorry but the ignorance on this topic is overwhelming. There is plenty of facts supporting the rise in temperature. The direct correlation between CO2 levels risingand the temperature rising are evident. I think with the devastations that are taking place such as the increased Hurricanes, the tornadoes, even El Nino are well documented. Just b/c scientists in the past made mistakes doesn't mean that those mistakes are being repeated. We use the most oil ever in history, our world population is the highest of all time, the increase in clear cutting in the amazon, the mercury levels in fish. There are countless of examples to why we are a virus to our world and until people understand this our future and childrens future will be in question.

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I think that it is a big first step forward for many countries around the world to acknowledge that global warming is an issue that needs to be addressed immediately.

There is no doubt that humans are (once again)having a negative impact on the environment, it's great to see that acknowledged by the world wide community and action being taken to minimize that impact.

I hopethat this issue can be resolved with the same results as some earlier environmental issues (DDT, ozone, etc). By reading this thread, I wonder why this issue isnot taken more seriously by those (hunters, outdoorsman)who have the most to lose (willdlife, environment).

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loudrunner - You've got the whole shtick down pretty good. These are the same old same old talking points of all those who've drunk the kool-aid.

Despite what you hear in the drive by media and politicians that have reason to use this for their own political advantage, there is no overwhelming evidence that anything that man (key word here) is doing or has done that affect global climate change either for warming or cooling!

Hurricanes have for 95% of all recorded history hit countries and places like the Gulf Coast. We're only returning to what is more the "normal" cycle and frequency of hurricanes after a couple decades of relatively fewer. Go back and review the history of major hurricanes about Galveston, TX.
The other big factor in the amount of destruction of recent years of hurricanes is that many many more people have chosen to live on the coasts (tens of millions more than 50+ years ago). It doesn't take a scientist to figure out that if hurricanes hit the East and Gulf coasts that property is going to get destroying and if more people move there more property and people get the same.
Not all scientists agrees with these highly publicized "global" theories either. There just isn't much incentive to be public if you disagree. The "expert" and "expert" wannabees go into attack mode against anyone who dares to question their methodology and conclusions.
Here is one of many well-spoken scientist who dispel some of the many myths continually floated with nothing hold them up.

Colorado State University’s William Gray, Atmospheric Physicist http://epw.senate.gov/speechitem.cfm?party=rep&id=263759

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-42 today in northern MN.... damn you Al Gore and your global warming!



Hell, if it keeps staying this cold in Des Moines (hasn't been above 30 in a week and a half, with lows in the single digits or negatives for the same time period) I might ask Al Gore to bring some of his global warming to Iowa. This heat bill is gonna kill me!

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I figgured that this would degenerate into a debate over global warming, oh well. sure its cold now but what about the months of Dec & most of Jan???? gw creates more erratic weather, colder cold, but also much hotter hot.

anyway, how it has impacted me--my family always hunts the late muzzy season, few other people out and lots of snow. Not this year, not any accululation where we hunt in NE iowa all the way to the end of the season Jan. 10th. This is a major first, we have not had that in over 10 years for sure. The last few years also have been very scarce in the snow department, only a few days of snow on average in this same 3 week season in the last 5 years.

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it seems to me that most people don't believe in global warming during the winter time, but when summer rolls in it's a different story.

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ALL I NEED is for 1 scientist to PROVE that it exist because of man.


CAN NOT BE DONE.....................Therefore it a theory that has collected a politcal agenda drivenfollowing for various reasons.


This does not mean that those of us that disagree with global warning and/or it's affects are against protecting the planet.I believe we need to regulate polution but next time you want to blame Americans,I would suggest you check out all the SOCIALIST and COMMUNIST countries first.They are the ones that are unregulated and Americais a part of the solution,NOT THE PROBLEM.

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I remember growing up especially during football 2-a-days every august was the hottest ever and 10x hotter than the rest. In actuality, it was no warmer than the one before or the one before that or the one before that...

Wanna know the reason summer seems so hot? Because it's been a whole fall, winter and spring since we had hot weather and we forget how hot it gets.

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i for one will gladly give up my car and ride horses and take my family around in enclosed buggys progress isnt always a good thing dont get me wrong theres alot of goodies id miss if i had to live back in time but food didnt have 10 things listed that i cant pronounce grew what they needed and traded others for what they didnt grow the good ole days

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So I can't use the last 20 days of January and all of February as evidence Global Warming is BS, but you can use December and the first 11 days of January to support it.
Makes about as much sense as the rest of the logic used to support Global Warming.

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I believe there is such a thing as "Natural" global warming. I believe the "man made" global warming scare is a political ploy from the left wing extremists in this country. The earth is naturally warming and probably always will...at the same time there are areas that seem to be getting colder too. But we don't hear about these, do we?

right now the western part of the country has seen a tough winter season and the northeast has gotten its' share off single digits.....the libs need to take a back seat and shut up IMO.