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I Dont belive in Global warming but just because its cold doesnt mean its happening. Global warming is extreme weather conditions in places that it shouldnt be happeing. Global warming if true just means the shifting of climates from around the globe over time. where it might snow in MN one year in august or it be 80 degrees in december there you. But I HIGHLY DOUBT anything that extreme will happen in any of our lifetimes or even our childrens.

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So, when all polar bears in nature are extinct inside of 20 years due to loss of habitat/ice pack, due to melting caused by rise in temp, will it still be an issue for the lefty extremists?
Oh well I guess we can wish in one hand and S**t in the other and see which one get filled first.

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Listen, the polar bears have plenty of habitat to last them more than 20 years.;) As long as they have meat, and there are an over abundance of seals, they will survive. Man made Global warming has no scientific proof. It's all about what political affiliation you belong to and your perseption of the issue. But man affecting it has not been proven.

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Believe me I didn't drink any Kool-Aid. Its the short sightedness of people, exactly like the ones I'm reading, that is what is wrong with this arguement. I almost feel disgusted that my fellow hunters don't believe the planet is changing and WE are the reason why. How hard is it to understand? Its not just the Hurricanes that is just one example. The theory that people are just morepopulatedaroundthe oceanand we just notice it more is completely a bogus thought. Hurricanes are tracked and recorded of their magnitude and they are happening now more frequently and stronger than ever. Hurricanes need warm water to gather strength and sincethere are warmer waters now b/cthe temperatureis higher there is a correlation. But like I said that is just one problem.The biggerproblem will come and it WILL come that when the Polar Ice Caps melt it exposes the bare ground underneath. Under that ground is a gas called methane that has beentrapped under the ice but as the sun comes down on that black bare ground, the ice will melt quicker and sea levels will rise and methane will be released. Methane isafar largerproblemfor the environment than CO2 levels. These problems exist...they are fact, this isn't the media blowing this out of control. After all,it has been confirmed that the Bush Administration might not havereleased all the facts to the public about Global Warming. I have a Masters in GIS with an emphasis in Environmental Science. I have read countless Scientific Journals and have never found one article that has said that Global Warming is false.

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I truly appreciate all the feedback everyone has given.

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Does anyone find it funny that after 3 weeks of unseasonable warm temperatures in January everyone (the media mainly) is discussing global warming when we are now in the second week of below normal temps. and the media referrs to the current weather as a cold snap? As if they are saying, once this freakish cold winter weather dissipates the weather will return to its normal warming trend.

The only thing predictable about the weather is that its unpredictable.

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Weather is only day to day. Climate change is over a long period of time. There is a huge difference.

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My point exactly.

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louddrummer,
The earth is currently getting warmer but what is your proof that we have anything to do with it.
There are as many scientists or more saying that we have nothing to do with the climate change,
as there are that say we do. The media never seem to report this.
Your example of hurricans does not seem to be a good one either. Of the top ten to hit the U.S.
only one is from recent history. Check for yourself.
http://www.epicdisasters.com/tenstrongestushurricanes.php

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Hunterbrum, Global Warming isn't limited to the US and the degree of impact on civilization. I believe one good example would be Hurricane Catalina that hit the coast of Brazil last year. That hurricane should be the most historic Hurricane in history b/c its the first hurricane ever to hit South America! I should say, the main issue isn't hurricanes and maybe it is more of a subject people stress over b/c of Hurricane Katrina but it is a factor. Onereason Katrina became so strong was b/c of the above avg. water temp in the Gulf of Mexico. If you need proof of whether humans are involved just look at the history since the Industrial Revolution and see the correlation of CO2 levels compared to temperature levels. Scientists in Antartica take Ice Core samples that go back thousands of years and can determine by the use of isotopes the amount of CO2 in the ice and compare that year to year to how thick the ice is. It is like the rings of a tree.NASA came out and said that the 5 hottest years of this century were 2005, 1998, 2002, 2003, 2004. Is it just a coincidence that we are putting off more CO2 emissions ever from fossil fuels and the temp is rising?

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loaddrummer69 (and others who feel global warming is a real issue),
I agree entirely with your comments. Unfourtunately this is still a subject that not everyone is on board with.

I do feel encouraged at the number of replies from those who are concerned about global warming. I made a similar post about 3 years ago and got ripped a new one by absolutely everyone who replied! Guess some progress is being made!

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Heres another vote for being responsible and trying to leave a small footprint. Global warming is happening, and the arguments that it isn't man-made are getting shot down quick, the non-believers can only claim that climate change happens naturally, true, but to claim that we aren't contibuting to it is absurd.
This thread reminds me of the Creation vs. Evolution thread, we in north america have alot to loose if we buy into the global warming science, so many ignore it, or grasp at straws in an attempt to maintain the staus quo.
You say prove that its man-made, I say prove that burning fossil fuels doesn't speed it up (at a ridiculous rate).

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I live in Louisiana and work in the oil industry, therfore, I have a strong opinion about this subject. We only have so much oil in the earth and we WILL RUN OUT, period. If you do not believe that your cars or combustible enginesare hurting the earth then put your mouth on your mufflers exhaustand inhale. This is a stupid but simple argument. If what comes out of your muffler is not good for you then what do you think it is doing toyour atmosphere. Don't need to be a Phd for this analogy. It is not politically motivated. I hate politics. I love my environment, but I am also not a tree hugger, I am a hunter, and wish to passthe experienceon to my children and their children. I believe the earth is warming naturally, but I also believe that humans are contributing to this process. Why is this hard to believe? If we are 50% responsible then it is to much, and we should adjust our impact on the environment. Hunters, above all, should be the most concerned and motivatedgroup of people to curb these actions.

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we are having a cold winter here in southern OH.
the global warming is killin us[8D].

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Our local news station just reported tonight that the cold spell is also due to global warming.;)


Whatever happened to winter causing it to be cold and summer causing it to be hot.:eek:

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I hope some of yall are kidding. Global warming does exist......its not some elaborate scam by the government.
Warming in the atmosphere is cause by the increased amount of co2 in the atmospere. Average tempatures are up and co2 levels are higher than they have been in the last 600,000 years. Believe it, don't believe it.........scientists believe it and I'm not one so I have to take there word for it. Scientist don't dispute global warming, politicians do..........go figure. If your under 50 you will see changes in your life time to reduce the amount of co2 in the atmospere.............bank on it my fellow horn chasers

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Maybe we should ask the polar bears if they are running out of room up north.

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We don't have to, as the increase in dead carcases found,such as due to drowningis clear enough.

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What a coincidence that this whole thing comes up right now with Algore getting a Nobel Peace Nomination and his Movie being nominated for an oscar. I heard an interview with the leading scientist in this field the other day and he was adamant that this is just the normal Warming/Cooling trends of the earth. In fact, the earth is now just about in the middle of the cycle and has been far colder and far warmer over the last 1000 years. He also had a report signed by 10,800 other scientists that agree with him. I wonder where Algore is flying in his private jet today?

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Once again scare tactics from tree-hugger types and protectionfrom liberal inluenced big mediaairing and publishing only stories on global warming as a fact and it being from the mean nasty conservatives agenda. Al Gore is a joke.[:'(]

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You know I am sick of the term tree huggers. That term is ridiculous. Also, I would like to see that list of 10,800 scientists that have signed that list and see there credentials. Being a"scientist" and actually studying the Earth is two different things. The fact is nobody has shown any evidence that Global Warming doesn't exist and there is far more evidence that it does. There also has never been a "Cycle" with billions of people on the planet before disrupting the ecosystem.

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I personally could care less about Al Gore and anything that he or that idiot Bush have ever had to say. As far as the term "Liberal Media," that is one of the biggest lies/misnomers there is, more like "Conservative Media." Conservatives own the media and like any good conservative, you are never settled with your current cashflow, so look to hype and attention-seeking stories to bring in the dollars. Example, Ruppert Murdoch, think he is worth a little $? Who is he? Is he a conservative?
Global warming/climate change is just true.
I'm off my soapbox now. Thanks for the fun.

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Try looking for Dr. Timothy Ball, Ph.D Climatology & Dr. of Science for University of London. He has a nice article on this subject. It is Global Warming: The cold, hard facts? This is a pretty good article that has his email contact at the bottom so you can try to outwit the scientist. Global Warming is a farce and you are buying it lock, stock and barrel. I will find the scientist with the 10,800 names for you as well, just put on your sun screen and give me a few minutes.

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What's wrong Lion? Are ABC, NBC, CBS,CNN, the Washington Post, the New York Times, the LA times and every other mainstreem media news paper in the country not enough. Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot the Tax Payers Funded PBS. That pesky mainstreem AM radio has you all worked up. And by the way, this would not even BE in the media if it were not for your Liberal Buddies.

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This topic is like discussing religion, politics and ballistics at the present time. For every article and expert you can present calling global warming/climate change a farce, I can find something saying the opposite, so don't bother. We are just gonna need to be content in our own beliefs for the time being.
I just wonder why NASA even bothers with looking into teraforming if global warming/climate change is a farce?

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Redlion-you must me kidding right... When you say the majority of our news sources aren't liberal in persuasion??? Have you ever seen the poll conducted by a idependent group about who and what makes up the American media? The poll said 80% where liberals/progressives. This poll ddin't include college proffessors, that's another poll.

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I agree with you, it is a great country that we can all believe what we want and still respect each other. As far as NASA, they might not be such a good reference today. I mean, I only have 32 employees in my company and none of them go 900 miles wearing diapers.

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NASA is looking into it because they don't knowenough aboutglobal warming. If they did they would present the facts. Again, their is no scientific proof confirming your belief.

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You got it correct, none of the major media outlets are liberal. All are conservative owned and earning conservative dollars. Facts are facts. If you poll individuals in groups, I could believe that individuals will classify themselves as liberal. Like being in the Army, you can be as liberal, conservative or whatever you like, but the regs and agenda are set regardless what the individual may want.

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Are you someone that believes that your government agencies freely tell you everything?

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Lion, your killing me. Are you saying that the people who actually OWN the media mainstays are conservative? HELLO! Can you say Ted Turner? Other than Fox and AM radio, please tell me another conservative mainstream media outlet.

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Who does the reporting? Liberals or Conservative? Republicans might own or have large shares in the news media but who are the worker bees? How can you deny news doesn't havea liberal bias in most newspapers and networks. thank God we have alternative news sources now.

And if NASA is still searching for answers about global warming maybe nothing has been found viable yet. Let's ask the "Great Internet Discoverer", he'll give us tangable, unbias reporting and facts on this subject.;)

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As far as this comment, I am neither liberal or conservative, but more moderate in persuasion.

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Well, your pushing the Liberal talking points on Global Warming and now telling me that the mainstream media is Conservative. I can see how I made that mistake. Why is it that you Liberals just can't stand up and say you are Liberal? It's OK!

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Because it makes them feel naughty and bad when said in front of others. "Liberal" is a bad word.

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I am pushingmy "opinions" based on solid fact, predominently in regards to the "Conservative Media." I am not liberal or conservative, so you can end that. You seem to have a fairly set way of looking at things. I suppose thatit is your inclination to put others into "boxes," as obviously people could not be something outside of either Liberal or conservative? Last time I checked liberals "traditionally" do not serve in the military, do not hunt and are behind gun control, so I guess I lose on all 3 counts there.

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I do apoligize for putting you in a box. You cannot argue that, on these issues of Global Warming and the Media, that you are very much Liberal leaning. And I am still waiting for some examples of the Conservative Press. Sorry, not examples, FACTS!

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Sorry for the delay, here is the link for the "Petition Project" and it is signed by 15,000 scientists who disagree with Global Warming and the Kyoto disgrace. There is a good thread on this on the "Politics" topic here on the forum. Check it out. This probably fits there better anyway.

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Sorry, the link didn't work the first time. Just go to the Politics threads under global warming and you will see the Petition Project link.

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My last post regarding this. Global warming/climate change was an issue long before Al Gore ever brought it to your attention. Second, thereis no hard facts of people/media political beliefs, as it is self-report preference, such as the existance of God. I will close with saying that those with money own the major media outlets, and last time I bothered to think narrowly, you would have to be of more meager incomes, a "hippie," or as you said a college professor to be a liberal.