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Well this morning I was sitting on my deer stand on private property close to the property line that is bordered by a timber co land that is a deer lease. About 30 min after daylight I heard a few dogs bayed, not far across the property line. Since we have so many hogs in this area I figured they had bayed a hog, and were doing a fine job of it, I was enjoying the bay. Then I got worried that if the hunters on that property hear this they might shoot the dogs. Well after about 15 minutes of this the shots rang out and wounded dogs started yelping and screaming, and then it went quiet. This afternoon at camp, a friend came driving up that had been to visit a friend at the deer lease. He jumped out and said he had the scoop, a hunter had wounded a deer yesterday evening and the dogs had found it and bayed it this morning. I asked him what they said the dogs looked like, they said it was a cur dog and 3 blue healers. Well the owners of this property that I hunt on live a mile away, the cur dog belongs to one of the owners and the healers belong to another property owner. I don't understand why they didn't shoot the deer to put it out of its mysery and pet the dogs for finding and baying this deer. Why did they have to shoot the dogs and the deer? Would somebody please tell me where this dog killing mentallity has come from. These weren't high priced hunting dogs, they were good pets and not very good cow dogs. Just country dogs that live and roam where they want to mostly on private property because this family owns so much land. They just happen to get off the land a little today and got killed by guys that don't own crap, they lease a little land to deer hunt on and think they have control over everything that happens on it. Where does this dog killing mentality come from, why do they think a dog is going to ruin their hunting? 20 years ago it was not like this, it just keeps getting worse and worse. I have treed coons with dogs barking and going nuts and watched deer laying 50 yards away watching the whole thing, I have hog hunted with dogs and watched deer stand there and watch us as we walk by with the dogs running a hog. I have watched deer being run by dogs, the deer does not leave the country running like Emmit Smith, the deer will just stay as far ahead of the dog as he has to, at any time the deer could run off and leave the dogs standing there wondering where it went. I have heard deer hunters say they kill every dog they see on thier lease, WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY
We have talked to the local Game Warden he said it is a Felony in Texas to kill a dog. The land owner is going to see if he can make and example out of these deer hunters.


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Any so called "sportsman" that finds sport in killing a mans best friend. Is a worthless piece of ****! If they lived in Texas. I'd serve them up and ASS WHOOPIN!

-Gooch-

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Ditto on the Ass Whoopin they shoot one of my
dogs they may be in for more trouble then they
want in this life time!!

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I will start by saying that I have never shot a dog...but heres one reason I wont guarantee you that I never will

knobby works 12 hour swing shifts which doesnt leave much time for hunting

knobby spent a fair bit of money on stands...feeders...food plots...lease fees...miles and gas on my truck etc etc

knobby did all this just to make it out bowhunting on a couple of my one day 'weekends'

while sitting in stand knobby watched 2 loose beagles running deer all over a farm where theyre not suppose to be

knobby was PISSED

dogs may not be so lucky next time

** I almost got him but I refuse to take a marginal shot **

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I don't believe in hunting deer with dogs but I would never kill a dog I saw chasing a deer. Dog hunting for deer is legal here but it does get out of hand when hunters let their dogs go on other peoples land. I've seen pets chasing deer in the middle of winter and got them on film. Dogs chasing deer in the winter drains deer of their precious energy and can cause them to starv if left unchecked.

It's not right to kill the dogs but I fear if I saw a dog, wolf or coyotes dragging down a deer I would be tempted to shoot or try and scare it away.

The deer here have enough troubles with coyotes and wolves chasing them. When the dogs get in the woods it makes it that much harder to hunt them. They're scared and rightly so. I'm not sure but I think here you can shoot a dog chasing deer on your land out of season or not.

I share land with some dog hunters and during the gun season when they're allowed to hunt with dogs I go somewhere else. You can have a lot of trouble trying to call, rattle or scent in buck when the dogs are in the woods. They're just too spooked.


IT'S NOT THE DOGS THAT CHASE DEER IT'S THE PEOPLE WHO LET THEM



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Edited by - droptine on 12/02/2002 13:11:35

Edited by - droptine on 12/03/2002 09:13:13

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I had a couple of dogs find a crippled deer that I had shot one year and I throwed them a healthy serving of deer guts. Its illegal here to run deer with dogs but I kind of like to see some come thru every once in awhile, There is so much brush around here it kind of helps, But I can understand how some people feel about dogs running deer where they ain't suppose to be. It would be very hard for me to shoot somebodies dog even if it cost me a trophy.

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Edited by - strut on 12/01/2002 19:50:42

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I would never shot a dog. I can understand the frustration of haveing a dog screw up your hunt. I had a dog screw up my hunting this weekend. I was stalking a Buck (the first nice one I had seen all year) and out of the blue a dog ran out after it. I didnt want to shot the dog, he was only doing what dogs do, but I did want to shot the owner for letting his dog run wild. If the dog owners like their dogs they need to keep them under controle. I could understand a dog getting shot. knobby brings up a good point.

Personally I would never kill a dog, Im a dog lover, but I can see it being justified. The owners need to take care of their dogs, but as for the situation stated in this thread topic, those guys need to be casterated. They had no just reason for shooting the dogs, if any thing they sould have been thankful for the dogs finding their mistake.<img src=icon_smile_angry.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_angry.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Edited by - burniegoeasily on 12/01/2002 19:54:31

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I'm with Knobby on this one. I paid $250 for the lease and have around $100 in a food plot. Figure in another $200 worth of corn which I feed year round and $150 for the feeder I put the corn in. Batteris for the feeder @ $6.00 each replaced every two months is another $36.00. Now for the gas. Round trip it's 110 miles getting 16 miles per gallon. We'll figure 20 trips (which is very conservative) equals 2,200 miles at 16 miles per gallon would be 137.5 gallons of gas. At $1.25 per gallon that equals $171.87 in gas. Grand total is $657.87 which doesn't include the price of the feeder. This also doesn't include lunch, snacks, drinks, deer scent, bullets, well you get the idea. When dogs come running through chasing deer all over the place I get really pissed off. Out of rage it would be very possible for me to shoot a dog.

As for this guys pet, he knows it's deer season so he should keep the dog put up. I guess there are no roads where he lives either? Almost everyday I see dogs run over. If people truly cared about there pets this wouldn't happen.

I have three dogs that are very much a part of the family. They stay in the house most of the time but when they are outside they stay in a chain link fence. I've had it out with several neighbors for letting their dogs run loose and on one occasion it nearly turned into a fist fight.

About 2 years ago a neighbors basset hound that had been allowed to run loose bit my son in my yard. Needless to say, it's burried in the woods behind my house.

Sorry to go so far off the subject but I spend way too much money to let somebody's dog ruin it for me. Maybe a firm warning for a first time offense if you know the dogs owner. After that, they're fair game.

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I have had wild dogs and a fox scare deer off when I was hunting and I now hunt fox...if the wild dogs come back, they are gone too.

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Wher I hunt it is illegal to use dogs to hunt deer.I have never shot a dog myself but any dogs seen running deer are shot by whomever sees it including conservation officers.

Edited by - stubblejumper on 12/01/2002 20:29:29

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This is a touchy subject! I don't think that I could shoot a dog unless I felt there was danger for me, my family or friends, or my pets. You must control your animals even when you own a lot of property. There's no excuse to let them run free because you don't know what will happen if they stray too far.
Near where I work there was an incident recently where two large dogs were splitting a doe apart in the yard of a very populated residential area. This was discovered by an old woman who screamed and attracted the attention of her family, including a small child. If these dogs could do this to a deer just think what could happen to a child if these dogs were somehow provoked.
My neighbors have a Doberman and a Pit Bull that they only let out to do their business. When I am walking in the field below their property I am always afraid that they are going to spot me and attack. If you would drive up to their house there is no way that you could get out of your car without these dogs attacking you. If the dogs would come onto my property I would scare the dogs away with a pellet gun and then approach the owner. If it happened again then I would choose a larger weapon.
If these dogs are pets then they shouldn't be running wild.
I'm an animal lover (one dog & 3 cats) and a hunter.

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it is not a felony to kill a dog. if a dog is on the land you are hunting and does not belong to the owners, they can be shot. i have had many dogs ruin hunting days and it has happened this year. the dogs even came and tried to get in my stand with me. they finally ran off but their smell remained in the woods thus no deer.you are correct that it is a touchy subject. i have shot in the area of the dog but never shot one. they should be contained if hunters are in the area.

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it is not a felony to kill a dog. if a dog is on the land you are hunting and does not belong to the owners, they can be shot. i have had many dogs ruin hunting days and it has happened this year. the dogs even came and tried to get in my stand with me. they finally ran off but their smell remained in the woods thus no deer.you are correct that it is a touchy subject. i have shot in the area of the dog but never shot one. they should be contained if hunters are in the area.
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Not around here! You'll be fined (felony) and you'll lose your hunting priveleges , along with your right to own firearms.
I dont care how much money you've spent , it's UNETHICAL! A dog runs by and ruins your hunt? OH WELL! Call it a day! Come back tomorrow!


<---Doug---<<<

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it is not a felony in texas. it is not a crime of any type if the dog is on property not owned by its owner. i never said to shoot the dog. you should have spent the time reading the post clearly rather than highlighting a quote

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Guess it is very different in various regions. Where I grew up, it was required that a licensed hunter shoot a dog found running deer.
Talk about unethical? Here is unethical....a dog owner who would allow his dog to run free on anothers ground, whether it screwed up anyones hunt or not!

Personally, I like dogs, own dogs myself. I would be hard pressed to shoot one other than self defense.(it would have to be one heck of a big dog) I would have zero problem finding the owner of a dog running deer and rectify the situation in a jiffy!

I find it amazing that anyone would think this is OK for someones dog to roam free on anothers land.<img src=icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Cry me a freaking river. Your hunt got spoiled and you think that justifies taking the life of someones pet. Laughable. I had a cat spoil my hunt last weekend. I didn't shoot it and I HATE cats.

I can't believe what I am reading. Adults with such disregard for pets lives, which may or may not affect you, and the total lack of thought to the grief that it will cause its owner(s). Because your hunt was spoiled??? Because of money?? Would you have someone put a price on something that was important to you?

Is it irresponsible of the owner? Of course, but a dialog with that owner FIRST is the ethical way to go. Dog's do get loose from time to time. Is that the day you will be selfish and kill one?

And to all you who are touting the money issue. What about the money the owner has spent on thier dog, cat, whatever? My dog cost $500 to start, just spent $600 on surgery, I won't even get into annual costs CAUSE IT MATTERS NOT. Two wrongs still do not make a right in case you have forgotten.

Pathetic : ( Put some perspective back in your life.

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what happens when knowone knows who the dog belongs to. should that hunter continue to sacrifice his hunting?it is more unresponsible for a owner to allow the dog to roam in hunting areas and be put in danger. i love dogs and have one that sleeps with me and mrs every nite. caring about the dogs is not some owners thing. they just want the dogs for whatever reasons.i have never shot a dog and hope to never have to do so.on one of my leases the dogs were chasing the deer out of the woods . fawns were found to have been injured. the dogs belonged to the land owner next to us.he did not care and said his dogs were not prisoners and could go any where they liked.
having said that what is the hunter to do now.\?there is a difference in dogs just passing thru and dogs chasing deer.

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I agree with neches because the dogs helped the hunters. They shouldn't have killed the dogs. But, what is the difference between the dog pound picking up loose dogs and putting them to sleep and the hunters killing them. They are all pets. Sometimes people think there dog(s) just ran away when in fact they are on death row at the local dog pound. They shouldn't have been loose in the first place. What about wild dogs. How do you make the distinction between wild dogs and pets if the pets aren't wearing collars? My dogs don't wear collars because they always figure out a way to get them off. Wild dogs are just as bad as coyotes in killing deer. Do you kill coyotes? Wild dogs are also more dangerous to humans. They aren't as scared of us. Again, I don't believe in killing a dog just because he is on your land, but some dogs need to be killed.

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dep214

heh, my dog sleeps with me and the mrs every night too. All I am asking for is some perspective here. I mean I am sitting here thinking, if a dog interupted a criticle moment in (insert any other sport that costs money here) would I be equally justified in shooting it?

I agree not all owners are responsible and repeated interuptions certainly call for different measures. It sounded to me though that these clowns were saying, that shooting was their first option. First infraction consequences. No thought to other alternatives.

What to do? Jeez be creative. Just sitting here I thought of a couple of things. Take a paintball gun out and mark that sum bitch up if the owner won't do anything. The dog will feel it but not be perminatly hurt. Get a cheap blowgun and load up some blunts (depends on how close).

As to not knowing where it came from, I find it hard to beleive that you would have a dog/cat repeatedly ruin your hunting without being able to associate it with someone by simply stopping by the nearest houses, although I must concied it is possible. Do you know who owns a ....... ???

Lets turn this into a positive. What are some NON Leathal ways to handle this? Experience anyone?

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I don't know the law where you live but where I'm from their is a leash law in the state,and from what I was told is that a dog can be shot if seen chasing down a deer in the woods.Because a dog will run down a deer and leave it to die.Unlike a wolf or a coyote will kill to survive.I'm sorry but when you have a leash law in a state and people are aware of it,and let their dog run free in the woods,specially during hunting season,they shouldn't be surprised when fido doesn't come back but only his collar.The law is the law and people need to be aware of it.I own a dog and I will not let him run the woods without a leash.

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The only deer I saw all season were being chased by stray dogs. They belong to people, but they let them run loose. These dogs growl at me and stand under my stand and bark at me. They have even charged me, but I was able to scare them off by wacking them with a stick :). And the only reason I didn't pump 170 grains through all of em is because I have seen kids playing with the dogs. What makes a dog important is that it belongs to someone. Other than that they are just a stupid coyote.

Guns cause crime, like flies cause garbage.

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i carry a bb gun at times and shoot the dodogs with that. that is alot better than with my 7 mag. the dogs on our lease now have collars and appears to have tags. they do not belong to land owner and he has never seen the dogs before.he has seen them chasing his cattle and said for us to shoot them.hell, i can not even spank my own dog.i can not believe the hunters shot the dogs for no reason. that is truly wrong and unethical.

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So your dog, or you can not see an instance where a dog, may get loose? Not possible huh?

My dog, which is always inside or in a huge kennel chassed after a rabbit that was right by the house one time when I let it out to go potty. So now I am an irresponsible owner and you can just kill my dog while I am out looking for it cause your hunt was spoiled? Please tell me this is not what you are suggesting.

See we are talking about several scenerios here and trying to apply one answer to all instances.

<ul>[*] Pet gets loose/ spoils hunt once[*] Pet repeatedly gets loose/ spoils hunt[*] Out in country few houses[*] Populated area[/list]
I personally am advocating not killing it, a domesticated animal, under any circumstance other then life threatening. I just don't believe that my hunting is more important then the dogs life or its owners grief.

whoops hit submit to quick.... btpatriot02, as to laws, first I would want to have a more then &quot;what I have heard&quot; and I would emphize again alternatives can be sought. Shoot on sight does not sound like a rational law, but then again I know many irrational laws.


Edited by - hunt3r on 12/02/2002 00:00:49

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UNethical? How is shooting a wild dog any worse than shooting a coyote? If I know the dog belongs to someone I will not shoot it, if not the dog has no real value and I will shoot it.

Guns cause crime, like flies cause garbage.

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i can't believe what im reading either.....what kinda crack smoking political body would pass a law making it a &quot;FELONY&quot; to kill a rogue dog thats creating cahos on someone elses property. hell in texas i thought they liked killing everything...they seem to fry murders down there as often as i fry beacon. i more than likely wouldn't kill a dog while im hunting, however making it a felony for killing a dog that's obviously not where its suppose to be makes as much sense as it would if it were also a felony for the dog owner letting his dog run loose in the first place. it just shows you what a sad state of affair this country is in when tax dollars are wasted sitting down creating a law such as this. whats the penalty life in prison or the death penalty for 1st degree murder.....sorry guys but this kinda stuff just pisses me off. animals are not now nor have they ever, from biblical times to present day, been equal to humans. although certain special interest groups are doing a pretty good job of changing all that. if anyone out there is going to agree that a law of this severity is just, then you might as well hold hands w/the antis and work with them on taking our hunting rights away. because thats exactly the people laws like this are created to appease.

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I can see now why this keeps going astray (no pun intended).

I have repeatedly used the word PET and then said DOMESTICATED animal. I would almost guarentee the TX law refers to pets, not rouge or wild dogs. You kill my dog with a coller on it and you will be lucky if all that happens is you go to jail.

Stop harping on the irresponsible owner as a scape goat please, if your daugter ends up at a party you don't know about it doesnt give some scumbag teenager the right to have his way with her. I am not saying those people don't exsist but you guys are running that one into the ground. I feel as if people are advocating not even seeking amicable alternative solutions. Just fire away with no regard.....

I PERSONALLY would have a hard time killing a rouge or wild dog, but that is not what I am or have been refering to.

Edited by - hunt3r on 12/02/2002 00:12:46

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that is not the law here in texas. i am a retired deputy with 25 years of service behind me. there ia a cruelty to an animal law here that does not pertain to the dog running loose in the country. leash laws do not pertain to dogs in the country.farmers and ranchers here shoot stray dogs that the owners are not known. they chase live stock and wild animals and have been known to attack humans. i will not wait til after i am attacked or the dog tells me he is going to be nice/city ordinances and laws are different. it is not a felony in texas to shhot a stray dog in the country. in the city it is different due to the endangerment of people.

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I have dogs constantly running free on my property and I tell the owners to keep their dogs out but they think it's funny.You know you can only say so many times and get frustrated with the owners.but think of this, you deal with this person or persons.about their dog and you've tried everything possible,and seeing this dog chasing down a deer and knowing that the deer will die for no reason at all.because a domesticated animal is running loose in the woods.and I know about the dog accidently getting loose because I've heard the excuse to many times,For that all I can say is if it gets loose and doesn't come back when you call it go back to training class IMO the only time a dog should be loose is if you know that you have full control of the animal.Also IMO if a dog will chase down a deer,it will probably chase a car and if it gets hit who's fault is it? the dog's or the driver.and what if it will chase down a child? And a child will run away and a dog will only stop when it catches whatever it's chasing.and that child gets hurt how would you feel then?And never say never because if it chases a deer it will chase anything that runs away from it.

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hunt3r i stated that i probably wouldn't shoot a rouge dog either....however your dog w/a collar on it repeatedly ends up chasing deer on someone elses property and ends up shot. then you have no one but yourself to blame. and why in the world would you make the analogy between someones daughter and the topic of this thread. putting humans and animals in the same catagory pretty much proves my point. as for pet owners, they're not the scape goats. they're the responsible party, and if they're not going to take control of their pets and keep them where they're suppose to be then they have no business owning pets. don't get me wrong here, i have a dog, but if i let him out to run the neighborhood and he ends up shot or hit by a car....who do i blame? better yet who do you blame? that falls into the statement that i made ealier of the country being in a sad state of affair......everything is always someone elses fault.

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You guys are able to put the worst possible spin on everything. Hurray for you. Go kill some dogs. Chase children....please. How in the hell did we get from shooting dogs over a wounded or dead dear to chasing children.

btpatriot02, I am truely sorry the people are not responded well to you. Maybe IMO you need to go to negotiation class or something to help get them to take responsibility? Ok, that was clearly below the belt, but I think you see the simularity to what you were saying. It is so easy for someone to sit back and say well if I had a dog it would never get loose.

In the end, everyone is going to have to make judgments based on individual circumstances, I hope and ask that we all take a moment just to consider the overall picture. Seel an alternative. Aparently that is too much to ask or it is just falling on deaf ears.

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Hold up here nodose, I never said anything about blame and I have also tried to explain my position but it does not seemed to be reaching people or is not the popular opinion. I can take that if that is the case but let me re-emphazise.

: IMO, Leathal force should not be needed, seek other alternatives first

: Shoot happy folks who are willing to take a dog on first sighting without seeking other alternatives

: I understand the difficulty in solutions for REPEAT occurances after doing the right thing in seeking alternatives

I am sorry if you mistook the human analagy as me placing eqaul importance on both, that was not my intention. I was making the analagy that despite how much people claim to be responsible and / or how much you try to protect things sometimes crap happens.

Edited by - hunt3r on 12/02/2002 01:04:57

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hunt3r's dog w/a collar on repeatedly chases deer on my property. i shoot hunt3r's dog w/a collar on. which i wouldn't do but for the purposes of this thread lets say i did.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> You kill my dog with a coller on it and you will be lucky if all that happens is you go to jail.
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and i didn't mistake your analogy i just thought it was a very poor one.

Edited by - nodose on 12/02/2002 01:27:54

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Ahhh yes, my reply to the part about it being a felony / illegal to shoot a dog in Texas. Retaliation may not be the same as blame, but I will concied that you have got me on this one :)

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hunt3r, what in he!!s bells are you rambling about? Listen closely....AS A DOG OWNER, IT IS EASY FOR ME TO SAY MY DOGS NEVER GET LOOSE!!
Because they never do! They get out of their kennel when I let them out, and only then. As it should be with any responsible dog owner.

I have read all the responses on this thread, and have yet to read where anyone wanted to shoot dogs first, and ask questions later.

I don`t blame dogs for chasing deer, it comes natural to them.
I do blame the lazy, worthless owners for allowing it to happen in the first place. I have been down this road on more than a couple occasions. Against my better judgement, I approached the owners of the dogs in question(pretty hard for them to deny ownership when the dogs are in the yard, and I have them on videotape chasing deer)in a civil manner, and listened to the same old BS....first time they ever got out, it will not happen again. The second time visiting the owners is one they don`t soon forget!
There is NO EXCUSE for allowing your dog to run on anothers ground, or to chase wildlife on your own ground, unless it is legal to do so within your states game laws.


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New Stanton,PA

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touche' big country.....finally someone gets it!!!!!!!!!

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Well Big Country Kudos for claiming to being perfect. Good luck with that. How does it feel to be the only person in the world who has never made a mistake?

Unlike you, I have felt in several instances including the very first post where it has been done or suggested to just shoot a dog the very first time they spoil your hunt or see them. Some have tried to justify it by stating expenditures on this hobby / sport. One that apearently is SO FREAKING important that people are willing to take a domestic animals life for. Ok, your call, but my message has stayed consistant throughout.

Seek alternatives. If you have, then good for you, that is all I ask. What you do next is on your concience not mine.

For the record, I am neither lazy nor worthless. I am however human and honest enough to admit and accept that mistakes happen.

You obviously have had a bad experience and you seem to think that everyone automatically would try to BS you based on the experience you had with a few people. That goes back to that responsibilty thing. If my dog got loose once, I would tell you that. If he got loose 13 times I would tell you that.

I guess I really don't understand what is wrong with suggesting that people seek alternative methods past the obvious of contacting the &quot;BS'ing&quot; owners. Are we all not hunters here in search of quality time in the field and meat in our freezers?

Well it is 3am my time and I figure I have wasted way more time on this then I ever should have. Good night all, and safe hunting to you.

:: A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still ::

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Thank you for realizing I am perfect! Now, if it would not be too much of a bother, could you please call my wife and tell her that?<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

At the moment she seems less than thrilled about me leaving for another 10 days(8 days hunting)in Illinois. I can`t understand what the problem is, I only went for 16 days the first time!

All joking aside...if your dog gets loose once or even twice, OK just remedy the situation. If you let your dogs run because you don`t feel like being a good pet owner, thats a different story.

Now hunt3r, I can`t tell if you are saying your dogs get away on a regular basis or not, but it is nothing that a good collar and a stout piece of chain can`t fix.
If you got the impression from my last post that I am even close to perfect, I can assure you I am not!
I am a responsible pet owner, who respects the rights of others to the best of my ability, regardless of how much work or imposition it may cause me.

NRA,UBP,BASS Member
New Stanton,PA

RE: Deer hunting dog killers
 

For the record. My dog bolted after a bunny one time and was out of my sight for all of 2 min. This does not alter my ability to have empathy for someone who may have their dog run away nor does it change my LACK of willingness to shoot a domestic animal or seek creative ways of fixing a problem.

Edited by - hunt3r on 12/02/2002 02:43:33

RE: Deer hunting dog killers
 

hey wait a minute hunt3r.....big country isn't the only one that hasn't made a mistake.....i haven't either <img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>

you're in good company big country

RE: Deer hunting dog killers
 

I extend a commendation to you as well nodose.