Get your Deer Dogs and Get Out
01-17-2007 | 01:28 PM
#181
Nontypical Buck
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From: Texas
RE: Get your Deer Dogs and Get Out
ORIGINAL: diamondaranch
If it were not for the snow/ice (very rare for this area) keeping us in right now, we would not add to this ongoing soap opera.
However, there is alot of snow and ice on the ground so here it is....
Someone (I think New) posted that it is illegal to shoot another "person's" dog! I did not read all of the banter since, so if this has been addressed please accept sincere apologies.
I don't know about up in the North East?? But in Texas, if your "dog" (hunting dog or not) crosses ontoour property and causes any sort of commotion or damage what so-ever, he has a date with a 175 grain sierra match king.
Period, end of story.
There is nothing illegal here about taking care of that animal. And legal issues certainly follow the owner if livestock/wildlife damage is done.
I have no beef with anyone hunting with dogs as long as it legal in their area/state, whatever.
We have run into this before but not exactly with a hunting type situation.
We lost a few goats a year or two back and could not tell what in the world was going on...didnt look like a cat etc. Finally, we caught a pack of dogs running on our ranch and thank goodness one had a collar along with the id tag that the vet had supplied for him.
Needless to say that (former)dog owner was not happy here or in the court room. Buying a chain or dog kennel is alot cheaper than buying 15-20 boer goats!!
best of luck
If it were not for the snow/ice (very rare for this area) keeping us in right now, we would not add to this ongoing soap opera.
However, there is alot of snow and ice on the ground so here it is....
Someone (I think New) posted that it is illegal to shoot another "person's" dog! I did not read all of the banter since, so if this has been addressed please accept sincere apologies.
I don't know about up in the North East?? But in Texas, if your "dog" (hunting dog or not) crosses ontoour property and causes any sort of commotion or damage what so-ever, he has a date with a 175 grain sierra match king.
Period, end of story.
There is nothing illegal here about taking care of that animal. And legal issues certainly follow the owner if livestock/wildlife damage is done.
I have no beef with anyone hunting with dogs as long as it legal in their area/state, whatever.
We have run into this before but not exactly with a hunting type situation.
We lost a few goats a year or two back and could not tell what in the world was going on...didnt look like a cat etc. Finally, we caught a pack of dogs running on our ranch and thank goodness one had a collar along with the id tag that the vet had supplied for him.
Needless to say that (former)dog owner was not happy here or in the court room. Buying a chain or dog kennel is alot cheaper than buying 15-20 boer goats!!
best of luck
01-17-2007 | 01:37 PM
#182
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Get your Deer Dogs and Get Out
I think it is noteworthy to at least mention the possible ramifications of shooting someone’s dog, since there are young and impressionable hunters here. It would only be fair to let them know what may happen next, right?
I’ve mentioned in the past that I still/stalk hunt with my dog. One man and one dog, working together as one team. He does not drive deer, but is being taught to use his nose to find them. It’s pretty cool and I’d recommend trying it to anyone.
My dog (Buddy) is my best friend – I can rely on him. When I am away, there is no question that my family is protected from danger. He would gladly protect them, and not so that he’d look good when someone was watching, but because he loves them. When he is with me there is no question that my most loyal and devoted companion in the world is by my side.
That said, here is the problem – my dog also has a job at the farm behind my house. He goes over there when the farmer needs help with some livestock problems. Occasionally Buddy has decided to take the long way home, but comes right over when called. What if Buddy were to smell a deer and decide to follow it, and ultimately pass you while on your stand? Would you shoot him? Or do something else? Maybe contact me, run him off, whatever?
I’m pretty sure that if you shot him your life would change, and here is why. You would have to pray to whatever god you pray to that I didn’t find out it was you, and live in fear the rest of your days, or become a murderer by killing me, to protect yourself. If I did find out it was you, and you could provide no better explanation for shooting my families dog than he’d crossed onto your property, we’d have a huge problem. A true life changing experience for both of us would follow, no matter what the outcome.
So kids, before you decide how tough you are, or how tough you think you are, you may want to at least take a moment to think about how angry you may be making someone, and how bad you may be hurting the lives of others. And if you do decide to kill this family companion, be ready, because his best friend was/is a killer, just like you. But now you may be on the other side of the business, a side that you don’t like being on. One that makes you wish desperately that you could turn back the hands of time.
When people think about dangerous animals they normally think about sharks, lions, tigers, bear and etc. I think of hominids, because they are capable of thinking and being patient, you know, until the time is right – be careful out there…
I’ve mentioned in the past that I still/stalk hunt with my dog. One man and one dog, working together as one team. He does not drive deer, but is being taught to use his nose to find them. It’s pretty cool and I’d recommend trying it to anyone.
My dog (Buddy) is my best friend – I can rely on him. When I am away, there is no question that my family is protected from danger. He would gladly protect them, and not so that he’d look good when someone was watching, but because he loves them. When he is with me there is no question that my most loyal and devoted companion in the world is by my side.
That said, here is the problem – my dog also has a job at the farm behind my house. He goes over there when the farmer needs help with some livestock problems. Occasionally Buddy has decided to take the long way home, but comes right over when called. What if Buddy were to smell a deer and decide to follow it, and ultimately pass you while on your stand? Would you shoot him? Or do something else? Maybe contact me, run him off, whatever?
I’m pretty sure that if you shot him your life would change, and here is why. You would have to pray to whatever god you pray to that I didn’t find out it was you, and live in fear the rest of your days, or become a murderer by killing me, to protect yourself. If I did find out it was you, and you could provide no better explanation for shooting my families dog than he’d crossed onto your property, we’d have a huge problem. A true life changing experience for both of us would follow, no matter what the outcome.
So kids, before you decide how tough you are, or how tough you think you are, you may want to at least take a moment to think about how angry you may be making someone, and how bad you may be hurting the lives of others. And if you do decide to kill this family companion, be ready, because his best friend was/is a killer, just like you. But now you may be on the other side of the business, a side that you don’t like being on. One that makes you wish desperately that you could turn back the hands of time.
When people think about dangerous animals they normally think about sharks, lions, tigers, bear and etc. I think of hominids, because they are capable of thinking and being patient, you know, until the time is right – be careful out there…
01-17-2007 | 02:16 PM
#184
Boone & Crockett
Joined: Dec 2005
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From: The Republic of Texas
RE: Get your Deer Dogs and Get Out
ORIGINAL: NEW61375
Whoa!
Whoa!
01-17-2007 | 02:22 PM
#185
Giant Nontypical
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RE: Get your Deer Dogs and Get Out
Well...After 20 pages I guess I'll weigh in...My family owns 3 farms in eastern NC...We have had problems with the local dog hunters over 30 years...We have called the game warden numerous times, he can not get there in time...There are 5 dog hunting clubs that I know of in the county, of the 5, we have had problems with 3 of them...We have gone to each club president and never gotten results...Our policy now is to shoot any deer that is run by dogs on our land...If possible we then catch the dogs and tie them to the front gate of the farm...But, we will not shoot the dogs...It is a FELONY in NC to shoot someone elses dog...
What is sad...My family has been in this area since the early 1700s...I went to school with most of the local dog hunters, they know we don't want them tresspassing and we have caught them on our land many times...Not once have these guys approached us and asked permission to retrieve their dogs, not once have they had the decency to say..."We are hunting in your area next XXXX would you and your brothers like to hunt with us?" They have knowingly and willingly let their dogs out on the roads beside our farms trying to run deer off our property and onto land they have permission to be on, even when we were already on the property stand hunting...They have driven over crops, through ditches, torn up farm paths when it was too muddy to be on them with a pickup and even chewed us out because we were on the land and killing deer in front of their dogs...
They are digging their own grave, as the South is more heavily populated with "outsiders" this type of hunting will pass by the wayside...
And before you ask...Yes, I have hunted deer, quail, squirrels, rabbits and ducks with dogs, it can be a very enjoyable activity...I used to hunt in VA with a gentleman that had 2 beagles, we would drive and area, shoot the deer and pickup the beagles....
These guys use the long-legged black and tans, if the first dozen dogs don't run the deer far enough the 2nd will...They shoot from the highway, use either semi auto rifles or 12 gauges with buckshot...I'd rather have one good standing shot at a deer at 250 yards with my .243 than 2-3 at a deer running through the woods at 50 yards with buckshot...
What is sad...My family has been in this area since the early 1700s...I went to school with most of the local dog hunters, they know we don't want them tresspassing and we have caught them on our land many times...Not once have these guys approached us and asked permission to retrieve their dogs, not once have they had the decency to say..."We are hunting in your area next XXXX would you and your brothers like to hunt with us?" They have knowingly and willingly let their dogs out on the roads beside our farms trying to run deer off our property and onto land they have permission to be on, even when we were already on the property stand hunting...They have driven over crops, through ditches, torn up farm paths when it was too muddy to be on them with a pickup and even chewed us out because we were on the land and killing deer in front of their dogs...
They are digging their own grave, as the South is more heavily populated with "outsiders" this type of hunting will pass by the wayside...
And before you ask...Yes, I have hunted deer, quail, squirrels, rabbits and ducks with dogs, it can be a very enjoyable activity...I used to hunt in VA with a gentleman that had 2 beagles, we would drive and area, shoot the deer and pickup the beagles....
These guys use the long-legged black and tans, if the first dozen dogs don't run the deer far enough the 2nd will...They shoot from the highway, use either semi auto rifles or 12 gauges with buckshot...I'd rather have one good standing shot at a deer at 250 yards with my .243 than 2-3 at a deer running through the woods at 50 yards with buckshot...
01-17-2007 | 02:26 PM
#187
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Get your Deer Dogs and Get Out
ORIGINAL: Killer_Primate
I think it is noteworthy to at least mention the possible ramifications of shooting someone’s dog, since there are young and impressionable hunters here. It would only be fair to let them know what may happen next, right?
I’ve mentioned in the past that I still/stalk hunt with my dog. One man and one dog, working together as one team. He does not drive deer, but is being taught to use his nose to find them. It’s pretty cool and I’d recommend trying it to anyone.
My dog (Buddy) is my best friend – I can rely on him. When I am away, there is no question that my family is protected from danger. He would gladly protect them, and not so that he’d look good when someone was watching, but because he loves them. When he is with me there is no question that my most loyal and devoted companion in the world is by my side.
That said, here is the problem – my dog also has a job at the farm behind my house. He goes over there when the farmer needs help with some livestock problems. Occasionally Buddy has decided to take the long way home, but comes right over when called. What if Buddy were to smell a deer and decide to follow it, and ultimately pass you while on your stand? Would you shoot him? Or do something else? Maybe contact me, run him off, whatever?
I’m pretty sure that if you shot him your life would change, and here is why. You would have to pray to whatever god you pray to that I didn’t find out it was you, and live in fear the rest of your days, or become a murderer by killing me, to protect yourself. If I did find out it was you, and you could provide no better explanation for shooting my families dog than he’d crossed onto your property, we’d have a huge problem. A true life changing experience for both of us would follow, no matter what the outcome.
So kids, before you decide how tough you are, or how tough you think you are, you may want to at least take a moment to think about how angry you may be making someone, and how bad you may be hurting the lives of others. And if you do decide to kill this family companion, be ready, because his best friend was/is a killer, just like you. But now you may be on the other side of the business, a side that you don’t like being on. One that makes you wish desperately that you could turn back the hands of time.
When people think about dangerous animals they normally think about sharks, lions, tigers, bear and etc. I think of hominids, because they are capable of thinking and being patient, you know, until the time is right – be careful out there…
I think it is noteworthy to at least mention the possible ramifications of shooting someone’s dog, since there are young and impressionable hunters here. It would only be fair to let them know what may happen next, right?
I’ve mentioned in the past that I still/stalk hunt with my dog. One man and one dog, working together as one team. He does not drive deer, but is being taught to use his nose to find them. It’s pretty cool and I’d recommend trying it to anyone.
My dog (Buddy) is my best friend – I can rely on him. When I am away, there is no question that my family is protected from danger. He would gladly protect them, and not so that he’d look good when someone was watching, but because he loves them. When he is with me there is no question that my most loyal and devoted companion in the world is by my side.
That said, here is the problem – my dog also has a job at the farm behind my house. He goes over there when the farmer needs help with some livestock problems. Occasionally Buddy has decided to take the long way home, but comes right over when called. What if Buddy were to smell a deer and decide to follow it, and ultimately pass you while on your stand? Would you shoot him? Or do something else? Maybe contact me, run him off, whatever?
I’m pretty sure that if you shot him your life would change, and here is why. You would have to pray to whatever god you pray to that I didn’t find out it was you, and live in fear the rest of your days, or become a murderer by killing me, to protect yourself. If I did find out it was you, and you could provide no better explanation for shooting my families dog than he’d crossed onto your property, we’d have a huge problem. A true life changing experience for both of us would follow, no matter what the outcome.
So kids, before you decide how tough you are, or how tough you think you are, you may want to at least take a moment to think about how angry you may be making someone, and how bad you may be hurting the lives of others. And if you do decide to kill this family companion, be ready, because his best friend was/is a killer, just like you. But now you may be on the other side of the business, a side that you don’t like being on. One that makes you wish desperately that you could turn back the hands of time.
When people think about dangerous animals they normally think about sharks, lions, tigers, bear and etc. I think of hominids, because they are capable of thinking and being patient, you know, until the time is right – be careful out there…
01-17-2007 | 02:41 PM
#188
Giant Nontypical
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RE: Get your Deer Dogs and Get Out
No, shooting from the highway is not legal in NC, neither is tresspassing, neither is being on property without written permission with a high powered rifle and in some counties you must be in an elevated stand to shoot a high powered rifle (some of these guys have a boat seat mounted on the dog box in back of the pickup)...But you put 15-20 guys together with 4wd pickups and 2-way radios to keep in touch with the game warden along with tracking collers on their dogs and its amazing what they will do....Only 1-2 will get in trouble, because they get on the radio and get the word out...
01-17-2007 | 04:05 PM
#189
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RE: Get your Deer Dogs and Get Out
ORIGINAL: Killer_Primate
I think it is noteworthy to at least mention the possible ramifications of shooting someone’s dog, since there are young and impressionable hunters here. It would only be fair to let them know what may happen next, right?
I’ve mentioned in the past that I still/stalk hunt with my dog. One man and one dog, working together as one team. He does not drive deer, but is being taught to use his nose to find them. It’s pretty cool and I’d recommend trying it to anyone.
My dog (Buddy) is my best friend – I can rely on him. When I am away, there is no question that my family is protected from danger. He would gladly protect them, and not so that he’d look good when someone was watching, but because he loves them. When he is with me there is no question that my most loyal and devoted companion in the world is by my side.
That said, here is the problem – my dog also has a job at the farm behind my house. He goes over there when the farmer needs help with some livestock problems. Occasionally Buddy has decided to take the long way home, but comes right over when called. What if Buddy were to smell a deer and decide to follow it, and ultimately pass you while on your stand? Would you shoot him? Or do something else? Maybe contact me, run him off, whatever?
I’m pretty sure that if you shot him your life would change, and here is why. You would have to pray to whatever god you pray to that I didn’t find out it was you, and live in fear the rest of your days, or become a murderer by killing me, to protect yourself. If I did find out it was you, and you could provide no better explanation for shooting my families dog than he’d crossed onto your property, we’d have a huge problem. A true life changing experience for both of us would follow, no matter what the outcome.
So kids, before you decide how tough you are, or how tough you think you are, you may want to at least take a moment to think about how angry you may be making someone, and how bad you may be hurting the lives of others. And if you do decide to kill this family companion, be ready, because his best friend was/is a killer, just like you. But now you may be on the other side of the business, a side that you don’t like being on. One that makes you wish desperately that you could turn back the hands of time.
When people think about dangerous animals they normally think about sharks, lions, tigers, bear and etc. I think of hominids, because they are capable of thinking and being patient, you know, until the time is right – be careful out there…
I think it is noteworthy to at least mention the possible ramifications of shooting someone’s dog, since there are young and impressionable hunters here. It would only be fair to let them know what may happen next, right?
I’ve mentioned in the past that I still/stalk hunt with my dog. One man and one dog, working together as one team. He does not drive deer, but is being taught to use his nose to find them. It’s pretty cool and I’d recommend trying it to anyone.
My dog (Buddy) is my best friend – I can rely on him. When I am away, there is no question that my family is protected from danger. He would gladly protect them, and not so that he’d look good when someone was watching, but because he loves them. When he is with me there is no question that my most loyal and devoted companion in the world is by my side.
That said, here is the problem – my dog also has a job at the farm behind my house. He goes over there when the farmer needs help with some livestock problems. Occasionally Buddy has decided to take the long way home, but comes right over when called. What if Buddy were to smell a deer and decide to follow it, and ultimately pass you while on your stand? Would you shoot him? Or do something else? Maybe contact me, run him off, whatever?
I’m pretty sure that if you shot him your life would change, and here is why. You would have to pray to whatever god you pray to that I didn’t find out it was you, and live in fear the rest of your days, or become a murderer by killing me, to protect yourself. If I did find out it was you, and you could provide no better explanation for shooting my families dog than he’d crossed onto your property, we’d have a huge problem. A true life changing experience for both of us would follow, no matter what the outcome.
So kids, before you decide how tough you are, or how tough you think you are, you may want to at least take a moment to think about how angry you may be making someone, and how bad you may be hurting the lives of others. And if you do decide to kill this family companion, be ready, because his best friend was/is a killer, just like you. But now you may be on the other side of the business, a side that you don’t like being on. One that makes you wish desperately that you could turn back the hands of time.
When people think about dangerous animals they normally think about sharks, lions, tigers, bear and etc. I think of hominids, because they are capable of thinking and being patient, you know, until the time is right – be careful out there…
best of luck
01-17-2007 | 04:25 PM
#190
Nontypical Buck
Joined: Jun 2006
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From: Southeast, VA
RE: Get your Deer Dogs and Get Out
ORIGINAL: nchawkeye
Well...After 20 pages I guess I'll weigh in...My family owns 3 farms in eastern NC...We have had problems with the local dog hunters over 30 years...We have called the game warden numerous times, he can not get there in time...There are 5 dog hunting clubs that I know of in the county, of the 5, we have had problems with 3 of them...We have gone to each club president and never gotten results...Our policy now is to shoot any deer that is run by dogs on our land...If possible we then catch the dogs and tie them to the front gate of the farm...But, we will not shoot the dogs...It is a FELONY in NC to shoot someone elses dog...
What is sad...My family has been in this area since the early 1700s...I went to school with most of the local dog hunters, they know we don't want them tresspassing and we have caught them on our land many times...Not once have these guys approached us and asked permission to retrieve their dogs, not once have they had the decency to say..."We are hunting in your area next XXXX would you and your brothers like to hunt with us?" They have knowingly and willingly let their dogs out on the roads beside our farms trying to run deer off our property and onto land they have permission to be on, even when we were already on the property stand hunting...They have driven over crops, through ditches, torn up farm paths when it was too muddy to be on them with a pickup and even chewed us out because we were on the land and killing deer in front of their dogs...
They are digging their own grave, as the South is more heavily populated with "outsiders" this type of hunting will pass by the wayside...
And before you ask...Yes, I have hunted deer, quail, squirrels, rabbits and ducks with dogs, it can be a very enjoyable activity...I used to hunt in VA with a gentleman that had 2 beagles, we would drive and area, shoot the deer and pickup the beagles....
These guys use the long-legged black and tans, if the first dozen dogs don't run the deer far enough the 2nd will...They shoot from the highway, use either semi auto rifles or 12 gauges with buckshot...I'd rather have one good standing shot at a deer at 250 yards with my .243 than 2-3 at a deer running through the woods at 50 yards with buckshot...
Well...After 20 pages I guess I'll weigh in...My family owns 3 farms in eastern NC...We have had problems with the local dog hunters over 30 years...We have called the game warden numerous times, he can not get there in time...There are 5 dog hunting clubs that I know of in the county, of the 5, we have had problems with 3 of them...We have gone to each club president and never gotten results...Our policy now is to shoot any deer that is run by dogs on our land...If possible we then catch the dogs and tie them to the front gate of the farm...But, we will not shoot the dogs...It is a FELONY in NC to shoot someone elses dog...
What is sad...My family has been in this area since the early 1700s...I went to school with most of the local dog hunters, they know we don't want them tresspassing and we have caught them on our land many times...Not once have these guys approached us and asked permission to retrieve their dogs, not once have they had the decency to say..."We are hunting in your area next XXXX would you and your brothers like to hunt with us?" They have knowingly and willingly let their dogs out on the roads beside our farms trying to run deer off our property and onto land they have permission to be on, even when we were already on the property stand hunting...They have driven over crops, through ditches, torn up farm paths when it was too muddy to be on them with a pickup and even chewed us out because we were on the land and killing deer in front of their dogs...
They are digging their own grave, as the South is more heavily populated with "outsiders" this type of hunting will pass by the wayside...
And before you ask...Yes, I have hunted deer, quail, squirrels, rabbits and ducks with dogs, it can be a very enjoyable activity...I used to hunt in VA with a gentleman that had 2 beagles, we would drive and area, shoot the deer and pickup the beagles....
These guys use the long-legged black and tans, if the first dozen dogs don't run the deer far enough the 2nd will...They shoot from the highway, use either semi auto rifles or 12 gauges with buckshot...I'd rather have one good standing shot at a deer at 250 yards with my .243 than 2-3 at a deer running through the woods at 50 yards with buckshot...