I'm Back from Alberta
11-22-2006 | 08:29 AM
#41
Typical Buck
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RE: I'm Back from Alberta
I agree with big country....I don't think that DD is complaining about the fact that he didn't harvest a buck(he previously established that he didn't want to take anything under 160) or that the weather was bad. I think his complaint was the fact that the outfitter didn't do enough on his part & I agree. I mean, what's an outfitters real purpose? to give you a lift to your stand in the morning? I think not!!! This guy suposedly lives/works in the area and is familiar with the movement & patterns of the deer in the area. Hell if you ask me, DD could have done the same exact hunt without the assistance of the outfitter and just paid an individual to hunt their land. Personally I don't use outfitters/guides but I sympathise with his disappointment. And as for the guys in here passing judgement on him, "You're pathetic"[&o] Thanks for the info DD, i'll be damned if I ever go on a guided hunt in Alberta with anyone by the name of "Don".
11-22-2006 | 09:22 AM
#42
Fork Horn
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From: Northern AB
RE: I'm Back from Alberta
ORIGINAL: DoctorDeath
ORIGINAL: Saskabush
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However, i have a hard time really falling for the sad story given that the majority of your complaints stem from things beyond the outfitters control (weather, borrowed rifle, deer movement).
Sask you make some good points ....the weather was out of his control ..the rifle situation was my own fault and he could not control deer movement however I do not recall blamming him for these problems .... I mentioned them only to share the conditions of the hunt ...
Your one legitimate complaint about lack of effort from the outfitter should have been evident before this most recent hunt, or is it that in the past you were willing to overlook his shortcomings as long as you went home with a big deer? Either way, given the amount of bellyaching you did about the price last time i'm suprised you went back.
As for my "one" legitimate complaint your right but that was the point of this story "lack of effort"and what we felt we paid for was the service and knowledge of our outfitter ...as for the past hunts those are history and were paid for in full and I see no barring orconnection to THIS hunt ...as to your remark about "all the bellyaching" about the price can you please refresh my memory where I did ALL that "bellyaching" I do not recall making any remarks about price that would be considered "bellyaching"
I know that when a hunt doesn't work out that it's normal to want to find a reason why. Isn't it a little strange that after two successful hunts you draw a blank and all of the sudden the outfitter is a bum. Btw, am I missing something or were you in the truck with him...smoking...drinking coffee... listening to the radio? I thought you were on stand the whole time. How can you be in two places at once? Are we just assuming that he wasn't scouting because he kept you on the same stand?
again Sask you refer to two hunts that are history and has no barring on what took place on this hunt ....however on my last hunt there I took my buck on a Wednesday and went out the rest of the week with the outftter and the other hunter in camp ...once we let him out we set in the truck all day thus why I have first hand knowledge of what he does during the day
Finally, I take it you retract the following statements
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" I would like to thank Don ****, my outfitter... for without their help I would never have found this buck of a lifetime. The valuable lesson I learned from Don about hunting trophy deer is that you have to be patient!" -Big Buck Magazine, Spring 2005.
You seemed pretty happy with his services as long as your mug shot was in a magazine.
AGAIN HISTORY ....PAID IN FULL
If you're ever looking for a reputable outfitter who will work his a** off for you i'd be happy to recommend one. He is top rate and often booked well in advance. Don't let one bad experience ruin you on hunting here but now at least you've experienced the downside of what hunting here can be. Good luck in Kentucky.
Just curious Sask what do YOU do for a living...I think I have an idea
dd
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However, i have a hard time really falling for the sad story given that the majority of your complaints stem from things beyond the outfitters control (weather, borrowed rifle, deer movement).
Sask you make some good points ....the weather was out of his control ..the rifle situation was my own fault and he could not control deer movement however I do not recall blamming him for these problems .... I mentioned them only to share the conditions of the hunt ...
Your one legitimate complaint about lack of effort from the outfitter should have been evident before this most recent hunt, or is it that in the past you were willing to overlook his shortcomings as long as you went home with a big deer? Either way, given the amount of bellyaching you did about the price last time i'm suprised you went back.
As for my "one" legitimate complaint your right but that was the point of this story "lack of effort"and what we felt we paid for was the service and knowledge of our outfitter ...as for the past hunts those are history and were paid for in full and I see no barring orconnection to THIS hunt ...as to your remark about "all the bellyaching" about the price can you please refresh my memory where I did ALL that "bellyaching" I do not recall making any remarks about price that would be considered "bellyaching"
I know that when a hunt doesn't work out that it's normal to want to find a reason why. Isn't it a little strange that after two successful hunts you draw a blank and all of the sudden the outfitter is a bum. Btw, am I missing something or were you in the truck with him...smoking...drinking coffee... listening to the radio? I thought you were on stand the whole time. How can you be in two places at once? Are we just assuming that he wasn't scouting because he kept you on the same stand?
again Sask you refer to two hunts that are history and has no barring on what took place on this hunt ....however on my last hunt there I took my buck on a Wednesday and went out the rest of the week with the outftter and the other hunter in camp ...once we let him out we set in the truck all day thus why I have first hand knowledge of what he does during the day
Finally, I take it you retract the following statements
:" I would like to thank Don ****, my outfitter... for without their help I would never have found this buck of a lifetime. The valuable lesson I learned from Don about hunting trophy deer is that you have to be patient!" -Big Buck Magazine, Spring 2005.
You seemed pretty happy with his services as long as your mug shot was in a magazine
. AGAIN HISTORY ....PAID IN FULL
If you're ever looking for a reputable outfitter who will work his a** off for you i'd be happy to recommend one. He is top rate and often booked well in advance. Don't let one bad experience ruin you on hunting here but now at least you've experienced the downside of what hunting here can be. Good luck in Kentucky.
Just curious Sask what do YOU do for a living...I think I have an idea
dd
The bellyaching comes from your thread two years ago when you returned with a trophy buck and then complained about the cost of your hunt.I seem to recall posting a reply that explained the cost breakdown of what an outfitter needs to charge just to break even. Given the service you received from this guy you should have been upset, an outfitter should work for his client but you still went back!
I am a fisheries technician by trade. I have no current connections to the outfitting industry. I have one year of guiding experience with a reputable outfitter who does work his a** off.
I am not defending your outfitter, simply implying that he is not the only one responsible for your miserable hunt. Remember, you're the one who came running to the forum ready to crucify this guy without him having a chance to tell his side. I'm only playing devil's advocate.
11-22-2006 | 09:30 AM
#43
Giant Nontypical
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From: Port Neches, Texas
RE: I'm Back from Alberta
ORIGINAL: bigcountry
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Ditto!!!!
Sheesh, I never can understand why some hunters like to "eat their own!"
Can some of us be such great hunters as to critique every aspect of anyone else's hunts, and/or methods?
Or, is it that some are such miserable, jealous, black-hearted, little people, that they take such delight in others misfortune!
DD, sorry to hear about the bad hunt! It sounds like most of it was bad timing, which we know can't be forseen when booking a hunt! But it also sounds like there are some definite issues with a poor outfitter!
I for one appreciate you sharing this! Some might consider it whinning, but I see it as informational! You may save some other hunters from spending their hard earned money, (and maybe a once in a lifetime trip) on a sloppy outfitter!
11-22-2006 | 12:03 PM
#44
Fork Horn
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From: Big Bend,WI
RE: I'm Back from Alberta
$4500 ???? Wow....he must of saw you coming. There are some greatCanadian Whitetail outfitterswith excellant success rates for under $2500. Maybe you felt that the more money you spend the better your chances are of getting a big buck so you can make another "Look at Me...Look at Me!" website.
11-22-2006 | 02:41 PM
#45
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Giant Nontypical
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From: Huntsville Alabama
RE: I'm Back from Alberta
[quote]ORIGINAL: JagMagMan
Thank you Jag that was the service I was trying to offer to my forum brothers ...I have nothing to gain by "whinning" on here but I did feel it might save someone else from the same experience I had ...I have no problem with some on here who wants to throw darts at me because I just consider the source ...I know who my true friends are on here and most anyone that has been on this forum for awhile knows I try to be objective with my post ... I have a little fun sure but for the most partif I have nothing constructive to say I just do not post .....Sask as to your claimof a post I made two years ago crying about the price I paid for a hunt I challange you to find that post .... I think your in error my friend....
dd
ORIGINAL: bigcountry
I for one appreciate you sharing this! Some might consider it whinning, but I see it as informational! You may save some other hunters from spending their hard earned money, (and maybe a once in a lifetime trip) on a sloppy outfitter!
I for one appreciate you sharing this! Some might consider it whinning, but I see it as informational! You may save some other hunters from spending their hard earned money, (and maybe a once in a lifetime trip) on a sloppy outfitter!
dd
11-22-2006 | 05:02 PM
#46
Nontypical Buck
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RE: I'm Back from Alberta
Hey Double D very sorry to hear about your negative experience! All a guide or outfitter can do is work hard for you,if you come to the table with the right attitude and a willingness to do what it takes than the oweness is on them to make every effort they can to put you on game.
I will not hunt with a guide for the very reason that I am not willing to lose that much control of my own destiny.That outfitter has to make a living whether they have had serious winter kill the winter before or if Wolves have hammered their deer or elk herd or if they have lost all their guides.
Again I am sorry to hear about the lousy experience you had.Aside from not being a decent person,it sounds like your outfitter is a -iss poor business person.Maybe he is selling his territory and doesn't give a rats -ss if you come back or not.
I will not hunt with a guide for the very reason that I am not willing to lose that much control of my own destiny.That outfitter has to make a living whether they have had serious winter kill the winter before or if Wolves have hammered their deer or elk herd or if they have lost all their guides.
Again I am sorry to hear about the lousy experience you had.Aside from not being a decent person,it sounds like your outfitter is a -iss poor business person.Maybe he is selling his territory and doesn't give a rats -ss if you come back or not.
11-22-2006 | 05:38 PM
#48
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Giant Nontypical
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From: Huntsville Alabama
RE: I'm Back from Alberta
ORIGINAL: tsoc
Hey Double D very sorry to hear about your negative experience! All a guide or outfitter can do is work hard for you,if you come to the table with the right attitude and a willingness to do what it takes than the oweness is on them to make every effort they can to put you on game.
I will not hunt with a guide for the very reason that I am not willing to lose that much control of my own destiny.That outfitter has to make a living whether they have had serious winter kill the winter before or if Wolves have hammered their deer or elk herd or if they have lost all their guides.
Again I am sorry to hear about the lousy experience you had.Aside from not being a decent person,it sounds like your outfitter is a -iss poor business person.Maybe he is selling his territory and doesn't give a rats -ss if you come back or not.
Hey Double D very sorry to hear about your negative experience! All a guide or outfitter can do is work hard for you,if you come to the table with the right attitude and a willingness to do what it takes than the oweness is on them to make every effort they can to put you on game.
I will not hunt with a guide for the very reason that I am not willing to lose that much control of my own destiny.That outfitter has to make a living whether they have had serious winter kill the winter before or if Wolves have hammered their deer or elk herd or if they have lost all their guides.
Again I am sorry to hear about the lousy experience you had.Aside from not being a decent person,it sounds like your outfitter is a -iss poor business person.Maybe he is selling his territory and doesn't give a rats -ss if you come back or not.
dd
11-22-2006 | 05:43 PM
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Giant Nontypical
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From: Huntsville Alabama
RE: I'm Back from Alberta
ORIGINAL: Jimimac
That was some enjoyable reading. A two bags of popcorn kind of thread.
Tough luck on the hunt. It sounds like none of the stars were aligned on this one.
That was some enjoyable reading. A two bags of popcorn kind of thread.
Tough luck on the hunt. It sounds like none of the stars were aligned on this one.
dd