I'm Back from Alberta
12-11-2006 | 02:06 PM
#181
Typical Buck
Joined: Feb 2003
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From: Calgary ab Canada
RE: I'm Back from Alberta
I'd say Sask said it better than I did.
glen, you may find this amusing, just got it from my cousin the lawyer:
A Mafia Godfather learns that his bookkeeper has embezzled ten million
>>dollars.
>>
>> The bookkeeper is deaf. That was the reason he got the job in the
>> first Place. It was assumed that a deaf bookkeeper would not be able
>> to hear anything That he'd ever have to testify about in court. So
>> when the Godfather interrogates The bookkeeper about the missing $10
>> million, he brings along an attorney Who knows sign language.
>>
>> The Godfather asks the bookkeeper, "Where's the 10 million you
>> embezzled From me?"
>>
>> The attorney, using sign language, asks the bookkeeper where the 10
>> million Is hidden.
>>
>> The bookkeeper signs back: "I don't know what you are talking about."
>>
>> The attorney tells the Godfather: "He says he doesn't know what
>> you're talking About."
>>
>> The Godfather pulls out a 9 mm pistol, puts it to the bookkeeper's
>> temple, Cocks it, and says, "Ask him again!"
>>
>> The attorney signs to the bookkeeper: "He'll kill you for sure if you
>> don't Tell him!"
>>
>> The bookkeeper signs back, "OK! You win! The money is in a brown
>> briefcase, Buried behind the shed in my cousin Enzo's backyard in
>> Queens !"
>>
>> The Godfather asks the attorney, "Well, what'd he say?"
>>
>> The attorney replies, "He says you don't have the balls to pull the
>> trigger."
>>
>>
>> Don't ya just love lawyers .
>>
glen, you may find this amusing, just got it from my cousin the lawyer:
A Mafia Godfather learns that his bookkeeper has embezzled ten million
>>dollars.
>>
>> The bookkeeper is deaf. That was the reason he got the job in the
>> first Place. It was assumed that a deaf bookkeeper would not be able
>> to hear anything That he'd ever have to testify about in court. So
>> when the Godfather interrogates The bookkeeper about the missing $10
>> million, he brings along an attorney Who knows sign language.
>>
>> The Godfather asks the bookkeeper, "Where's the 10 million you
>> embezzled From me?"
>>
>> The attorney, using sign language, asks the bookkeeper where the 10
>> million Is hidden.
>>
>> The bookkeeper signs back: "I don't know what you are talking about."
>>
>> The attorney tells the Godfather: "He says he doesn't know what
>> you're talking About."
>>
>> The Godfather pulls out a 9 mm pistol, puts it to the bookkeeper's
>> temple, Cocks it, and says, "Ask him again!"
>>
>> The attorney signs to the bookkeeper: "He'll kill you for sure if you
>> don't Tell him!"
>>
>> The bookkeeper signs back, "OK! You win! The money is in a brown
>> briefcase, Buried behind the shed in my cousin Enzo's backyard in
>> Queens !"
>>
>> The Godfather asks the attorney, "Well, what'd he say?"
>>
>> The attorney replies, "He says you don't have the balls to pull the
>> trigger."
>>
>>
>> Don't ya just love lawyers .
>>
12-11-2006 | 04:45 PM
#182
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Giant Nontypical
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From: Huntsville Alabama
RE: I'm Back from Alberta
ORIGINAL: Saskabush
I should know better than to get into this again but nobody ever accused me of being smart
...
Correct me if i'm wrong JDand Skeeterbut I think the pointthey are trying to make is that your useless boob of an outfitter was every bit as useless two years ago. You just failed to pick up on the "red flags", like sitting in the truck smoking for 4 days after you shot your deer. Regardless of whether a hunter is seeing deer or not, the guide should be working hard looking for a better place. In your case, you shot a great deer, but your buddy was still in the woods. In that case the outfitter should have been scouting and looking for better places for him. the fact that he sat in the truck and sipped coffee with you should have been a "red flag" for you when consideringwhether or notthis guy would get your business again.
Maybe that's something that we are taking for granted as being common sense but wewere not in your shoes at the time.It's easyto be critical in the black and white world of a hunting forum ( I am speaking for myself here not Skeeter and JD).
I would also like to echo Skeeter by saying that two years ago when we discussed price and tipping, I took offense. Having seen and heard more about the guy, you have every right to be upset.
If anybody learns anything from this thread it should be: Be as critical of success as you are of failure. Especially when commiting $4500+ of your hard earned dollars for a trip.
I should know better than to get into this again but nobody ever accused me of being smart
...Correct me if i'm wrong JDand Skeeterbut I think the pointthey are trying to make is that your useless boob of an outfitter was every bit as useless two years ago. You just failed to pick up on the "red flags", like sitting in the truck smoking for 4 days after you shot your deer. Regardless of whether a hunter is seeing deer or not, the guide should be working hard looking for a better place. In your case, you shot a great deer, but your buddy was still in the woods. In that case the outfitter should have been scouting and looking for better places for him. the fact that he sat in the truck and sipped coffee with you should have been a "red flag" for you when consideringwhether or notthis guy would get your business again.
Maybe that's something that we are taking for granted as being common sense but wewere not in your shoes at the time.It's easyto be critical in the black and white world of a hunting forum ( I am speaking for myself here not Skeeter and JD).
I would also like to echo Skeeter by saying that two years ago when we discussed price and tipping, I took offense. Having seen and heard more about the guy, you have every right to be upset.
If anybody learns anything from this thread it should be: Be as critical of success as you are of failure. Especially when commiting $4500+ of your hard earned dollars for a trip.
dd
12-11-2006 | 05:05 PM
#183
Fork Horn
Joined: Apr 2005
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From: Northern AB
RE: I'm Back from Alberta
now you're arguing semantics. Same sh*t, different pile as far as I'm concerned. My apology for not getting the accurate sequence of events but the message is still the same. You witnessed how he hunts. Should have been a "red flag", at least It would have been to me. It begs the question, if that is how he hunts for himself. Why would you trust that he tries any harder for you? Again, not trying to attack you, just help make the point that success can blind someone to reality. Take home message :Be just as critical of a "successful hunt as you are of an "unsuccessful" hunt. Hopefully your ordeal will help some other hunter avoid the same problem in the future.
Good luck in Sask if you ever make it up there again. Just remember, seeing more deer at the bait pile doesn't necessarily mean seeing bigger deer.
Good luck in Sask if you ever make it up there again. Just remember, seeing more deer at the bait pile doesn't necessarily mean seeing bigger deer.
12-11-2006 | 05:26 PM
#184
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Giant Nontypical
Joined: Jul 2004
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From: Huntsville Alabama
RE: I'm Back from Alberta
ORIGINAL: Saskabush
You witnessed how he hunts. Should have been a "red flag", at least It would have been to me. It begs the question, if that is how he hunts for himself. Why would you trust that he tries any harder for you? Again, not trying to attack you, just help make the point that success can blind someone to reality.
Good luck in Sask if you ever make it up there again. Just remember, seeing more deer at the bait pile doesn't necessarily mean seeing bigger deer.
You witnessed how he hunts. Should have been a "red flag", at least It would have been to me. It begs the question, if that is how he hunts for himself. Why would you trust that he tries any harder for you? Again, not trying to attack you, just help make the point that success can blind someone to reality.
Good luck in Sask if you ever make it up there again. Just remember, seeing more deer at the bait pile doesn't necessarily mean seeing bigger deer.
dd
12-11-2006 | 05:51 PM
#185
Fork Horn
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From: Northern AB
RE: I'm Back from Alberta
DD, I looked at his website a while ago and to be honest I wasn't impressed. Call me picky but I like to see a professional website from a professional outfitter. The total lack of references is a big turnoff right away. Also, personal preference would have me looking at a outfitter who makes a living at it, not just a part-timer. If it was me, I would have looked at a bigger better known outfit that maintains an informative website with successful and unsuccessful references (same thing Skeeter said). Having said that, it's hard to judge a book by its cover. His website isn't aweful, but i've seen much better.
I'm no expert and i've never been on a guided hunt but i respect the fact that there is a million outfitters out there all saying the same thing. It's d*mn hard to pick the good ones from the bad. Yours isn't the worst story i've heard. At least your guy stayed within the law. Again, hopefully your ordeal helps other hunters be more critical in choosing an outfit.
(same thing Skeeter said). Having said that, it's hard to judge a book by its cover. His website isn't aweful, but i've seen much better. I'm no expert and i've never been on a guided hunt but i respect the fact that there is a million outfitters out there all saying the same thing. It's d*mn hard to pick the good ones from the bad. Yours isn't the worst story i've heard. At least your guy stayed within the law. Again, hopefully your ordeal helps other hunters be more critical in choosing an outfit.
12-11-2006 | 06:10 PM
#186
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Giant Nontypical
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From: Huntsville Alabama
RE: I'm Back from Alberta
ORIGINAL: Saskabush
I'm no expert and i've never been on a guided hunt but i respect the fact that there is a million outfitters out there all saying the same thing. It's d*mn hard to pick the good ones from the bad. Yours isn't the worst story i've heard. At least your guy stayed within the law. Again, hopefully your ordeal helps other hunters be more critical in choosing an outfit.
I'm no expert and i've never been on a guided hunt but i respect the fact that there is a million outfitters out there all saying the same thing. It's d*mn hard to pick the good ones from the bad. Yours isn't the worst story i've heard. At least your guy stayed within the law. Again, hopefully your ordeal helps other hunters be more critical in choosing an outfit.
dd
12-12-2006 | 06:05 PM
#187
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RE: I'm Back from Alberta
Jd--I love lawyer jokes. And I must admit, yours made me laugh--which may have been the best result of posting on this site yet. To Sask I will say I think you are absolutley right about the red flags and knowing what to expect with this guy. DD and I got lucky in 2004, plain and simple. And we went back because of the big deer addiction. We were willing to overlook the outfitters laziness so long as we had the opportunity on some BIG deer--and it didn't happen in 2006---Shame on us--we should have foreseen the worst case scenario and planned appropriately--we didn't (and the outfitter/guide didn't)and it sucked. I am just sick over having lost the time up there. Thankfully I leave for Fairbanks on September 3, 2007. The outfitter told me his guides will hunt me until I cry or die, but they give 100%. I hope to return to Alberta in 2008----trying to arrange something in the Peace River area---or maybe the Edmonton Bow Zone. In any event it wont be with the same outfit.
12-12-2006 | 08:22 PM
#189
Fork Horn
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From: Northern AB
RE: I'm Back from Alberta
Glen and DD, if and when you choose to return i'd be happy to forward you the name of the outfitter I worked for in 2003. In my mind they are outstanding and have an excellent track record with lots of repeat business. Also, if you're interested in the Peace area feel free to drop me a pm when you start looking for an outfitter. I don't know many of the guys that operate up here but i'd be happy to run any names you might have past the fish cops at the office.
I've been enough of a thorn in your side (mainly you DD) that at least I can offer to help in your search for a better option
I've been enough of a thorn in your side (mainly you DD) that at least I can offer to help in your search for a better option
12-13-2006 | 06:10 AM
#190
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Giant Nontypical
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From: Huntsville Alabama
RE: I'm Back from Alberta
Sask I can take a thorn in my side when its honest and respectful ..your both.. and I respect a man who speaks his mind...so no problem on this end I have gotten use to it on here. As for helping us out to find a good outfitter next time we come up it would be much appreciated.
dd
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