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I just got back from the morning hunt and i saw six does but none gave me a decent shot so i passed on all of them and at about 9:30 or so i decided that i would move to my stand down in the creek bottom so i spot stalked my way down to my stand and i got up in it and no more than an hour went by and i heard something crashing though the brush.so i got ready and it was 2 does and a spike. i was going to take the spike then i heard some thing else coming so i held off thinking it might be a bigger buck, but boy was i surprised it was a pack of dogs (5 of them).and before i could shoot the spike they chased it away.Im not gonna tell you guys what idid until you tell me what you would have done in a situation like this.by the way this was private land with no house or tenats on the property.thanks

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I am currently in the exact same predicament. it is our land, and our neighbors dogs. we are in the middle of the country, so I guess they think they can just let their dogs roam free, but what they don't realize is that their dogs run off oevery deer in the county. includeing running off 3 does on my father in law. personally I would support anything you do to these dogs ( just make it as painless as possible) lol

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What do you mean you're not gonna tell us what you did til we tell you what we would have done?!!

Trying to drag all this back up again, huh?

I would have tried to get two of those mutts in a row and tried to put an arrow thru both of them. But just one would do if that was all that was possible.

This subject will be addressed to the point at our deer camp meeting in a few weeks. All unauthorized mutts will get the lead treatment. Too many guys have too much time and money invested to let some dogs run the deer off or away from the property - plain and simple.

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well now i know how you fell about it i guess i can tell you that 3 of the 5 dogs didnt make it home.

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Here it used to be dogs chasing deer you could shoot on the spot, but, not anymore. We are supposed to report it to the area warden to investigate. Then, they are supposed to take care of it. To many folks they said were shooting dogs for the fun of it. So that is what we have here and none of us like to see dogs chasing deer priod.

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well if that had been my dogs their most likely would have been one less human going home also....

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In my state here is the answer I received from our Conservation Department for same problem:

There is around 8 dogs of different species that run around my property all the time and I have witnessed them chasing deer many times. I have spent allot of money for the land and cabin to hunt and am tired of watching this ruin my land and hunting chances. I can't catch them so what can I do if anything to stop this from happening?

This is a fairly common problem when people either don't keep their pets controlled or dump domestic dogs when they are no longer wanted. Since domestic dogs are not wildlife there is no season or regulations controlling them in our Wildlife Code. Domestic dogs are generally considered someones personal property. With that said I can not tell you to shoot them even though there is no regulation on our end that forbids it. (If you do shoot one and the "owner" finds out the dogs tend to get real expensive.) You do, however, have a right to protect yourself and your personal property from damage or threat from domestic dogs. If you know who the dogs belong to a visit with the owners may be appropriate. Otherwise you are on your own on how you handle the dogs.

Ok, with that said. the moneyspent taking off work, cost of land, cabin,hunting supplies. Paying a 500-800 fine if caught for shooting the dogs is cheaper than not shooting them and wasting my precious hunting money and time. Shoot them!

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Agreed, it take a real bag of crap to shoot a dog. Lots of things move deer, not just dogs. I know a guy that I used to consider my friend, that is all the time bragging about shooting dogs. I was hunting with him, and he got on the radio braggin about shooting a dog, and 5 min later, I got on the radio telling him I just stuck a real deer. Later I told him, "you really wonder why you don't kill deer, are you hunting dogs, or deer, your going to have to make a decision". When people shoot a dog, they don't have a clue they are risking thier own life in the process.

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I have shot 2 dogs that wereferal and were causing major problems in the area(documented incidents),, no one could catch them and they were a threat to both farm animals and people.

This past week I ranacross a thread on another sight about a guys labrador, that was shot on his property. It was obvious this dog was a pet,, someone didnt like the fact it "ruined" theyre hunt. I say B.S., if there is problem with the dog, you notify the owner and dont take it out on the dog.There is no need for this,, if you think these pictures are right you are one sick individual! This dog was obviously a pet!! and the person who shot it had absolutely no right too!

If anyone EVER did this too my dog,, I gaurantee there would be alot more too worry about than just a fine or lawsuit!

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Lets say a pack of wolves or coyotes start running the deer off your land while you are hunding. Would you shoot the coyotes or wolves? If you know who the owners of the dogs are, You need to go havea talk with them. Doesnt matter if they are on your property, they are animals and following their their noses, they know no better. Best thing to do would have been to find the owners if possible, tell them whats going on, warn them what will happen if it continues, And the second to last thing to do would be to call animal patrol. I know if it were my dog, I'd be coming over there and returning the arrow or lead, but only you'd be the "dog".. Hell i have an outside dog and he runs wild and all the neighbors love him. You wouldnt shoot a person that came across your land by accident, You'd simply explain to him what the issue is. I think you made really bad judgement and did it the easiest way. It wasnt right, You just as well you could have tried contacting the owners and work something out. Those dogs did no damage to you or anyone else. They were being normal dogs. I'd consider finding the owners of the next group of dogs that come by so you dont get yourself into a bind if someone were to find out.

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hows that dog even still alive?

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Some of these responses are bull. Don't get the neighbors pets mixed up with feral dogs! Most landowners know what dogs belong to the neighbors. But there are alot of feral dogs running around the countryside. I have witnesseda fawn thatferal dogsripped its guts open. The dogs would not let us near the fawn. Had to put the fawn out of its misery and the dogs too. My property to control! I doubt most of the reponderseven own their own land. As far as the neighbors dogs, once you have complained to the neighbor and hedoes not control his pets.Then the petowner has decided for you. Those that say they would shoot a legal landownerhuman being for protecting theirown property are full of it. Wish you lived around me, would test your response.

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Amen to that!!

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"I doubt most of the reponderseven own their own land"

Last time i checked, you pay your property taxes and have owner papers, you own that land. Now my response to you is, most people with a crap load of land dont actually own it, the bank where they look out that big loan owns it. Just like ranchers, all that fuel they use, all those cows they own are a tax write off. The feeling i get from some of the responses is that there was a better way to deal with the problem. I've had problems with dogs in my area before, you either run them off, contact the owners, get the sheriff out here to do something and as a last resort, Shoot them. Ever come across a bobcat when u were hunting and have it scare the deer off? I have and u know what? Big deal, thats fine. You can Bitch and moan about it all you want but its not going to solve anything and neither will shooting the dogs. Theres always going to be someone nosing around that will catch wind of a story running around and turn that person in. Its not worth the fine or harrassment from the dog owners. You shoot atcars too when they drive by and scare off the deer?

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Lands paid off! Now what?

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Since when does a deer become your personal property?

Those pictures I displayed, the dog was shot on the owners property or adjoining public land. Tell me how whoever shot it was protecting their own property or themselves?? Bullet enterred from the rear and exitted the side... Yep that guy was in fear for his life,, my lab can lay out some vicious farts!

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The issue u are trying to start has nothing to do with the topic. Do you ever go out and shoot a coyote on your land? Now where im from, you can but have to have a small games license. Mr ranger catches u without one, thats a hell of a fine. If you are that insecure and a cry baby about some deer running off " this isnt to the main poster".. You have issues. Theres more important things in life to get upset over than some dogs running on your land. The main point im trying to get into some of your heads is.. Try doing it in the most respectable way that you would like it to be done. How would you like it if your wifes dog or kids dog got into a pack of others and you find out some a-hole hunter shot it. This is the type of thing bunny hungers hope will happen so they can slap a big law suit against that hunter and cause trouble. You need to think about your "problem solvers" and how they may affect other hunters. No point in going to war with a few neighbors over dogs.

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Swamp thing where does my post say anything about who owns a deer? Guess I could have let the fawn lay there screaming while they at at it alive.All I am saying is the laws in our state as posted earlier say I have the right to protect me and my property. Can't speak for other states. When the three dogs were attacking me and my daughter while trying to protect the fawn they just gutted then yes I will react and I would hope that in this particular instance you would too.

My neighbors dogs do come on my property and hang out most of the year but they are not deer killers. The wild dogs I have around are mange no collars, run in packs anddo kill. My neighbors have had their dogs killed by these packs.

Frontier,I shoot yotes, here in missouri landowners are not required to have a small game license as long as they hunt their own land.

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maybe i misunderstood something but it sounds like u were putitng yourself in harms way with ur daughter to protect a fawn? and then shot the dogs in self defense? how about not aproaching the pack of dogs.... its not your responsibility to protect fawns thats the way of nature some animals die. You keep saying you can protect yourself and your property but that deer isnt your property and you put yourself in danger its not like the dogs were out hunting you they were just protecting their kill


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What if those dogs had of ran off a trophy buck? What would you do then? If a dog will run 1 deer it will run another. If you want to keep deer on your property, they need to feel comfortable. I doubt running for thier lives will do much for that.

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What if it was a trophy deer? Give me a freakin break! Any real hunter knows that a trophy is a deer that provides your family with meat. If you are that sorry of a hunter lostcreeker and think that a deer with a huge rack is what makes it a trophy, you are a very sad excuse as a hunter. This has nothing to do with if it WERE an trophy buck. There were other ways to resolve this problem and out of anger, the dogs were shot. Hell, ive had other hunters screw up my hunt, ive had shy deer scare off other deer, ive had the sound of a crow scare off deer in my area. But that is a very very poor response from u, as a hunter. What if it was a trophy deer.. My god, what a sorry piss poor response.

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Just wondering, if you had a big buck scared off from you for something that you didn't cause,such as a dog,would you fix the problem or just say "Oh well, hope I get that big boy next time."? If it was another hunter, in my case, I would ask him what he was doing on my land. Sorry for offending you, the ethical overlooker of all hunting everywhere.

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this is a common problem in many areas of the US many areas have what are called feral dogs that ran away from their owners or were left on the side of the road by their lazy owners who could not take care of them when these dogs create a pack they become dangerous and are not like a wild animal just like domesticated cats which can also become feral are not wildlife such animals do not kill just to survive like a wolf or coyote who will clean the meat almost completely off the bone the feral animals kill for fun and play with the animal before they kill it and then they end up wasting most of the meat because killing is a game to them I took a tour of a sheep farm near indianapolis about a week ago and he said that being close to town they have had problems in the past with dogs that get left by the side of the road and become feral then they will attack the whole herd where as a coyote will attack just one animal the dog will injure as many sheep as possible because killing is a game to them so if u go and consider coyotes and wolves to dogs you need to get the facts straight on the difference in species this guy apparently can tell the difference between the feral dogs because many times they are mangey and dont have collars and the neighbors pets
Last fall during gun season i was hunting in my uncles woods and his neighbors dogs chased some deer through i knew whose they were so i didnt shoot if i had never seen them before i would have shot them instead of giving them a warning shot and it would have been over for them and then i chased them off the property and talked to the neighbor and havent seen the dogs in the woods since so i figured it worked

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I had this problem in PA. Always, seeing mangy, and usually rabid dogs running deer. Shot 'em every time i could. Pets, no definatley not!!!

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Ive had deer scared off by other hunters and by barking dogs. Sure i get upset but im not about to start unleashing bullets or arrows in anger. I've seen you type of hunters on the news. Bow hunter shoots dog, dog survives. This is what will ruin ALL of us. Doesnt matter if the dog has a collar or not. I'll bet you anything, there are more bunny hungers with more money to than all of us hunters that are working hard to bring out all these dog shootings by hunters. Hell man, you guys are sitting here typing this crap and there could be all kinds of bunny hungers sitting here reading this and getting fuel for their story. You do something like this, you keep your mouth shut. Simple as that. You're either going to get yourself in trouble by opening your mouth to other hunters and have them turn their backs on you and disagree with you or you're going to just feed those bunny hungers more stories they can get out to the public. You guys seem proud that you shot dogs, Did you take a pic with them, holding them by the ears and then have the heads mounted too? :D:D
You shoot any domestic animal, you're going to get mixed responses. Play it safe and keep the trap shut.

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Sheesh, I may as well throw in My 2 cents.
1st the pics of the lab, that started out as it was shot on the owners property, then on the owners property or the ajoining land, then, maybe on the owners property or the ajoining PUBLIC land.
So owner was letting his dog run deer on public hunting land.

I hunt public land that is surrounded by McMansions, It is DNR land set aside for hunting, the only one in the county, it is not a play ground for the urban transplants to ride their 4 weelers and let there dogs run deer.

I would not shoot the dog myself, but I DONOT blame a hunter for shooting a dog that is running deer, public or private HUNTING land,
THe blame falls on the dog owner for 1) letting his dog roam on hunting land, 2) raising a dog that runs deer.
If it is running deer, it is only a matter of time till it runs some stock or chickens
Sometimes things are learned the hard way when You move to the country from the city.

Slack

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I agree with that. Keeping your mouth shut is an all- around solution for all of life's problems. I to hunt for meat, but I try to get it out of the way early in the season with my bow or muzzleloader before the rut kicks in. Don't get me wrong, I'll shoot a doe during the late rifle and muzzleloading, but my motto during rifle season is "you don't go bass fishing hoping to catch a bluegill."

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Well, dont get me wrong guys. Im not trying to make any enemys on here but i really dont think this topic was fit for this forum. If you want to shoot dogs, Go right ahead. It would be best if you just kept it to yourself. Its nothing really to be proud of or a good topic to talk about.

Jon

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What? Huh?Guess I should have told you my life's story, Daughter is 27 and can hunt and shoot as good as me. You were not there in that situation. If you have ever heard a fawn screaming it is a weird sound and we did not know what it was until we came up on them. And yes I investigate things happening on my land. I'm 49, worked hard all my life to earn my land sodon't bother to tell me what to do on my property I won't listen to you anyway.

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lol im not trying to pick a fight with you. i somewhat misunderstood what happened. lol and i never said u didnt work for your land. all im saying is that the dogs killed something and obviously wanted to protect their kill or atleast they were in the process of killing it. anyways this is getting off topic so im not gunna reply to this post anymore.


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I've had dogs come in on me while I'm on stand before.My personal opinion is that it happens. Yes I'm mad that the owner just lets them run wild during season and I for one think they're stupid for doing such a thing. But, sometimes dogs do get loose without the owner knowing, or in my case 2 yrs. ago, my black GSP ran off chasing a deer and was gone for 2 days....it does happen.

Before I get to my question, let me add that I have never had an "experience" with a feral dog while on stand but I can relate. A few years ago my uncle's Siberian Husky got loose and roamed with a pack of yotes or wild dogs..not sure of the details. But I do know that he was killing chickens left and right. The property owner took the appropriate action and had him sent to the pound. A little different case than a dog chasing deer off, but with a certain land owner (or hunter) that dog would have been dead.

Now, onto my question(s)....(just curious). Let's say you hunt around houses and/or a suburban area. Dogs bark, kids play and scream, car doors get slammed shut. This all affects how deer act. Yes, in this situation, typically the deer are accustomed to this environment. But, what if, just what if while you were hunting around this type of area and one of these 'typical' sounds made a deer uneasy and scared if off? What would be your choice of action? Take out the disruptive cause that influenced the deer to flee??? Case in point....last year I was hunting about 200yds. behind my house and had a damn nice 8 pt. coming straight to me and then all of a sudden my GSP starts barking (in his pen mind you) which scared the deer off. Yeah, I was pist off (and it is my dog)...but under those circumstances it can be expected. I do understand how a tresspassing hunter, "feral" dogs, etc. etc. might not be expected but isn't the 'unexpected' the reason we go out there and hunt? What I mean is that none of us know with a postive doubt what we will see while hunting...it's part of the experience, right? I just feel that some actions aren't necessary. Sorry for the rant, but this post really pisses me off...especially seeing the pics of the lab. Hang me at your will. :)

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I wont comment on the lab chasing deer,, the only one that actually knows is the hunter who shot the dog. The dog was recovered on the dog owners private property close too public land. the owner didnt follow the dogs blood trail too see exactly where it was shot at,, he took his animal for emergency care which was priority one at the moment. Dog had escaped from the owners home and was shot in less than 45 minutes of first escape,, dog owner was searching for the dog during this time.


OK, heres a situation for you too ponder... a Duck hunter is out hunting a pond onPUBLIC HUNTING land. He shoots at a duck and it sails over too a mass of cattails on the far side of the pond. The hunter sends his dog across the pond too retrieve it. The dog reaches the cattails and a deer pops out the far side and starts running away from the cattails, a couple minutes later the dog pops out the far side of the cattails searching for the duck,, is that dog running deer? Too a deer hunter sitting a 150 yards away from the cattails thats what would appear to be happening... so I guess hes got the right too shoot that dog then? and I guess that duck hunter doesnt have the right too hunt PUBLIC HUNTINGland hunting ducks with his dog,, since deer season is open?

I thank god Im leaving in a couple hours to go deer hunting for a week. I thank God all camps in the area knows who's hounds are who's,, and I really thank God no one shoots at the hounds. May all our hounds end up in camp every night, and if we find any lost hounds during our stay, may we care for them as our own, and find the rightful owners by the end of the week.. Oh by the way,, yes we will be legally hunting deer using hounds on public land!

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That is why here you report it to a game warden and they investigate it, and if in fact they are chasing game. The warden will look up the owner and deal with it for you. Here just about 2 months ago 2 huskies got lose on the owners while they were working. The dogs had traveled 3 miles and attacked some rare sheep on a small sheep farm. They killed about half of them and the owners of the farm could not even shoot them. They called the animal control officer and he had to fend them off. They are now dealing with this through the court system and currently still have the dogs. But, the legal system will decide their fate not anyone else.


And here it is unlawfull to use dogs on deer period.

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Well guys i didnt mean to start a fight or an arguement....next time i will keep my mouth shut... but just for the record if the dog owners cared anything about there dogs they would tie them during deer season...i myself raise beagles and i dont dare let them out when deer season is open.. only during rabbit season and the spring and summer.

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you cannot compare a coyote or a wolf with someone's pet. It is wrong to let them run loose and possibly chase deer in the process however sometimes they do escape and run off. This does not give a person the right to shoot someone's pet and that is just downright wrong. Somewhere there may be a kid wondering where his dog is. Anyone ever shot one of my dogs would hear that dreaded song:


"Jeepers Creepers"

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A dog is dog a deer is a wild animal... but i have no problem with anyone shooting wild or feral dogs

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It comes down to controling your pets. You let them wonder onto someones property and chase deer all over place. Don't get mad if they get shot. It's the owners fault not the dogs fault. I have a dog that I love to death. If she ran all over and was chasing deer on neighbors property and got shot. Look in the mirror. Your the one to blame.

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What a pathetic point of arguement. Pathetic.

Try to compare apples-to-apples and oranges-to-oranges. After that miserable attempt your position is forfeited - period.

A car belongs on the roadway. That is where it is supposed to be. That is what the road is intended for. Get it? See a pattern here?

The woods and fields are not where peoples pets belong. That is not where they are supposed to be roaming freely. Especially other folks property is not where they are intended to be.

The woods are for wild animals - not domesticated animals.

If someone didn't want to be bothered or have their game effected by cars on roads they can either hunt elsewhere or they have to deal with it if they have no other option. But when a dog or dogs just show up when you're hunting, you have no way to predict that.

But you do have an option.

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my definition of a wild dog is any dog not trained enough to stay where it belongs, looks rapid, mangy or diseased. That being said wild dogs =coyotes, coyotes=dead.

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My dogs (1 dog now, actually) are VERY trained and highly disciplined. But I want to note that even domesticated dogs have natural instincts which lead to their desire to "run wild" from time to time. How does this affect one's decision?

(Again, I'm not trying to pick fights here....just trying to pick the brains of fellow hunters)