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I recently went undercover to a animal rights site to see what kind of responses I would get by being a "dumb hunter". Read some of the responses I am getting under chit chat, subject is "Hunting?" Hope this works. http://animalsuffering.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3944this is the direct link to the session forum. [/align]

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I checked it out. Totally frigging insane. The only logic that the majority of these folks utilize to attempt to counter your argument is that animals and humans are/should be equals. They even managed to compare hunting as wildlife management as the moral equivalent of shooting AIDS patients or starving people. This site is a CLASSIC example of how you cannot argue with crazy or fix stupidity. Every member of HNI should visit that site to see what we face and will hopefully realize that there is no appeasing these fools, and it is a total waste of time to even try and reason with them on an intellectual or moral level.

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I bet all the people that responded to you are skinny, unhealthy granola eating idiots. They are brainwashed.....they can not be reasoned with!! Just like we cant stop MURDERING deer they cant stop eating tofu, so its a never ending battle.I commend you on a well fought battle, even though they dont even know what their fighting for they still remain that thorn in every hunters side....

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The real irony is that these folks have no idea how much hunters and hunting organizations contribute to wildlife habitat preservation and environmental preservation in general. For example, Ducks Unlimited has probably done more directly to conserve North American wetlands than all the anti-hunting organizations combined. But, even a quick look at anti-hunting sites like that demonstrate that you are dealing with wild eyed zealots who would likely shoot a hunter to save a duck.

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go on there and ask them how long cavemen would have lasted thru the ice age without meat and hunting. people would not exist if it wasnt for hunting. what a bunch of morons.

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United we stand, divided we fall. Some of the petty and or rediculous arguments you occasionally see on here don't help the sport of hunting survive. The one deleted this morning is a prime example.

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That is some bull. If there wasn't hunters the world would be over populated with animals. Think of how many people die a year from car crashes from animals. how do you join i what to miss with them tree huggers

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haha. "why do we need to kill" it says on there, TO EAT!! I have no respect for vegetarians. They're all a little wacky.


-Travis-

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Hey wis bowhunter,

Since you are registered to that sight, ask the anti's this.


They suggested eating vegetables. ask them if they realize how many acres of wildlife habitat is destroyed so some farmer can grow vegetables for their consumption.

Ask them how many deer and other animals were shot to protect those vegetables.

Ask them if they realize how many tons of fertilizer, pesticides and herbisides were poured into they environment to grow those vegetables.

Ask them how many baby songbirds died because its parent fed it a pestiside tainted insect.

Ask them if they realize how much animals must suffer so they can eat vegetables.

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Here ya go. Acts 10,God is talking toPeter

9About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. 10He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. 11He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air. 13Then a voice told him, "Get up, Peter. Kill and eat."
14"Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. "I have never eaten anything impure or unclean."
15The voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean."

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Also remember Levitical law demands the spill of blood for any covering of sin. If you go thru Leviticus and up thru the Old Testiment, you will see where thousands upon thousands of animals were sacrificed from guilt offerings, to sin offerings, etc.

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mostly all vegaterians don't have a religon that is what is wrong with them.

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Well, then more important than hunting, is maybe witnessing to them. Cause thru God all is possible and without him, no hunting.

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More ammo;


Ask if they have pets. Do they bath their pets with flea shampoo or give their dog medicine to kill fleas. Ask them if that little flea has as much right to live on this planet as a majestic bighorn sheep. They have no right to kill that flea.


Do they have roaches in their homes? How about rats and mice? Ants, spiders?

Do they mow their lawn, killing countless bees and insects.

Dog they feed their pets vegetarian dogfood?

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Another one is when Jesus rose from the dead, he went out to meet the aposles on the shore, and told them to throw thier nets to the other side of the boat, they did and caught so much fish, the net about broke. When they came ashore to meet thier Lord, he was cooking fish for themover the coals.

John 21
Jesus and the Miraculous Catch of Fish
1Afterward Jesus appeared again to his disciples, by the Sea of Tiberias.[a] It happened this way: 2Simon Peter, Thomas (called Didymus), Nathanael from Cana in Galilee, the sons of Zebedee, and two other disciples were together. 3"I'm going out to fish," Simon Peter told them, and they said, "We'll go with you." So they went out and got into the boat, but that night they caught nothing.
4Early in the morning, Jesus stood on the shore, but the disciples did not realize that it was Jesus.
5He called out to them, "Friends, haven't you any fish?"
"No," they answered.
6He said, "Throw your net on the right side of the boat and you will find some." When they did, they were unable to haul the net in because of the large number of fish.
7Then the disciple whom Jesus loved said to Peter, "It is the Lord!" As soon as Simon Peter heard him say, "It is the Lord," he wrapped his outer garment around him (for he had taken it off) and jumped into the water. 8The other disciples followed in the boat, towing the net full of fish, for they were not far from shore, about a hundred yards.[b] 9When they landed, they saw a fire of burning coals there with fish on it, and some bread.
10Jesus said to them, "Bring some of the fish you have just caught."
11Simon Peter climbed aboard and dragged the net ashore. It was full of large fish, 153, but even with so many the net was not torn. 12Jesus said to them, "Come and have breakfast." None of the disciples dared ask him, "Who are you?" They knew it was the Lord. 13Jesus came, took the bread and gave it to them, and did the same with the fish. 14This was now the third time Jesus appeared to his disciples after he was raised from the dead.

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haha one of those idiots used "premediated murder" which is a legal term. The laws and the Judicial laws in the United States DO NOT apply to animals. If they did, i would charge so many coons with tresspassing on my property, and squirrel with breaking and entering my walls. They are idiots, and will never be taken seriously by anyone with half a brain


-Travis-

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Hey i just joined that site. I give you credit for standing up for what you belive. This should be fun

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This guy knows what he's talkin 'bout. Them grass-eatin idiots dont have a backbone, well maybe they do, but its mal-nurished, fragile, and ignorant. They can eat their tofu and ignore the Bible and the American Dream, Ill keep living the life my ancestors would want me to live, happy, healthy, hunting, fishing, and eating meat!!

-Travis-

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Well i cant believe i became a memeber but it was fun cause all i did was voice my opinion and i believe i will now be kicked of the site. Oh darn what a shame. HA

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WENT THREW 6 PAGES LAUGHING THOSE PEOPLE ARE IN NEED OF SOME SERIOUS HELP THE WAY THEY THINK I GIVE YOU GUYS HIGH FIVE GOING ON THAT SITE AND POSTING ?;)

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These people just piss me off. I want to just slap them in the face. Animals dont have rights for one. And in the state of georgia you do have the right to hunt. If you dont belive so. LOOK IT UP IN THE BOOKS. Roswell georgia is being sued now because the "TRIED" to make a law where it is Illigal to discharge a bow in that city. But it didnt happend just a really long story. But animal rights activist just piss me off... URRRRRRRRRR

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I commend you for posting on that site. I read everything and it looks like you put up a very reasonable fight with some very narrow-minded people open to only their views and their peers.

I find it interesting that AR is a 'network, per se' to openly discuss their topics, but but when it comes to anti's on their site they are very intolerable. Then you come to this site and most people on here more open to anti-hunters who post and are willing to hear/read their views for why they are against us. I think is says a lot about the people on this site and hopefully most 'hunters' in general.

EDIT: I think that site is for the people on the other side of the fence, just like this site is. You most likely won't change their views and they won't change ours. However, from what I read it seems that we are a little more open minded to the others' rationale and we TRY to reason with them. The opinions that we can change however, are those sitting on the fence and we can do that by being open minded towards their views, trying to rationalize with them and allow them to see hunting can be good in some light. Just my $.02

I just had to laugh at this! You make a valid point!
Quote: Cthunter8: one of those idiots used "premediated murder" which is a legal term. The laws and the Judicial laws in the United States DO NOT apply to animals. If they did, i would charge so many coons with tresspassing on my property, and squirrel with breaking and entering my walls.

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I plan on using many of your guys thoughts, and to think I am being serious about all of it, and havent been baned from the site yet, iI tried signing up with wis_bow_huntr, but got kicked so fast it was funny. I cant wait to see where many of your thoughts go from here. Shoudl be a good one, kepp checking the site.

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Oh its going to get heated now in that site!!

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crazy people

people have been doing two things since the beginning of time
Hunting and breeding.

They try to get rid of the first, maybe their kind should get rid of the second as well.

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Those folks are totally clueless about the fact that hunters and hunting organizations are among the biggest, if not the biggest, supporters of wildlife and wildlife habitat preservation. A group like Ducks Unlimited has probably done more to actually preserve wetlands (that obviously shelter a multitude of non-game animals as well) than any anti-hunting organization. Then, just consider similar organizations that are devoted to pheasants, elk, etc. and preserving their specific habitats. The ultimate irony is that if these morons brought an end to hunting, they would set wildlife management and land preservation back a century.

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I'll have fun with these fruitloops later.... right now I need to get back to work... LOL... this is gonna be GOOD.... LOL *evil maniacal laugh*

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It looks like they deleted your thread. Go figure. The more I read over there the more angry I get. It's best I don't go there. They even have a religion forum to discuss animal rights in the bible...how ludicrous is this. They mention how people twist bible for their own needs but they alone twist it the most...

The brainwash each other and they are so far from reality it isn't funny...well mostly so very sad.

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You can't reach extremists like that. That's why some of them are now considered to be domestic terrorists. The only thing you can do is fight fire with fire with them, and then concentrate on rational dialogue with the moderates and undecided folks. A fence sitter might be a bit disturbed by some of the stuff they read here, but they should be deeply disturbed by the idiocy on the anti site.

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Now, I can understand liking animals. I keep a fat mutt at home, and he's a most festive and enjoyable animal. He eats and farts and we play. I eat chicken, he eats the bones. We're symbiotes, really, we need each other to function properly. I like to throw the ball, and he likes to retrieve it. The leftover spaghetti? You guessed it, straight into fido's bowl. He even guards the women whenI'm nothome.

He gets my scraps. That's what it's like to be second on the food chain.

I see how these people like animals, really I do. What I don't quite understand is how burning down a kill shelter, or dedicating your life to abolishing hunting relates to your love for animals. Seriously, if you "save" the deer from the hunter, he'll ultimately be killed by a car, a predator or disease. If you "save" abunny from senseless slaughter by a hunter, he'll ultimately be snatched up by a fox or squished under an eighteen-wheeler. The point is that they're not "saving" any blessed thing. They're just wasting time, money and effort trying reconfigure the foodchain to move humans from the top and into the middle of the pack somewhere between the grazing animalsand butterflies.

If you want to be a vegan, go right ahead. I'll admit it, I could eat healthier. Maybe if I start eating more veggies, it might save adoe or two and tack a few years onto my life. With that said, I stillcan't figure out how stopping an evil hunter from shooting his buck this fall relates to predation, survival of the fittestand death as a natural fact of life, or how abolishing hunting will end animal suffering...??

It's like this: If you really like animals, go buy one. I did. He tips the scales at around 110# and leads a very comfortable life, even in his silver (doggy) years. If you really, REALLY like animals, buy more than one. Heck, start a no-kill farm.

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For a lot of those folks its an issue of empowerment. They want the power to impose their agenda on others. In this instance, its pretty crazy. I mean, hell, they could be off working with orphans, volunteering in homeless shelters, driving the elderly back and forth to clinics, or even serving abroad in the Peace Corps. But no, they would rather spend their time harassing hunters, picketing companies that do animal testing, or running around harassing people who are wearing fur. And why not, in many of their minds, a human life is no different from a deer's.

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Again, just like anything else, we have a group of whiners who won't put their money where their mouth is.

Like you said, LCC, these individuals could easily be out spending their time and money volunteering, spaying & neutering strays, and raising herds ofanimals in a safe and nurturing environment.

Seriously, if animal suffering bothers you that much, go to your local beef farmer, and give him .90 centson thepound for his angus cattle that are off to slaughter, then take them to your farm and let Ol' Betsy live out her years in the friendly confines of your own property. While you're out, stop at Purdue or the livestock auction and buy some chickens and pigs at the going rate.Swing by Century21 and buy a nice lot with a fence, and put your new animal friends therein. If that's too much, just bust out that moldy checkbook and donatesome of yourhard-earnedto companys developing soy-meat alternatives.

No, these Wendy Whiners would rather cry and moan onlineabout somebody shooting a deer, or stop by the fur coat store for 15 minutes at a demonstration against mink coats and yell at people who have probably nevereven seen a live mink for buying a fur coat. Whoopity doo.Besides, that's a whole lot easier than raising chickens or actually getting off one's lardy behind and doing something productive or gainful.

Seriously, if hunting bothers these people so bad, this is a free country with plenty of privately-owned real estate available. Go buy yourself some prime hunting ground and post it. Nahh, that costs money and takes work.

That's the problem with people. They're all talk, no action. Nobody ever wants to walk the walk.

I can respect a person who stands up for what they believe in. If you're an animal rights activist, and you buck up a chunk of change for a farm where you raise livestock to prevent their slaughter, I can respect that. If you volunteer 10-20 days a year at the no-kill shelter, good. Buy a 10,000 acre Texas ranch and fence it off - No Hunting or Trespassing. It's your right, and I respect that. Buy a lake - No Fishing. Again, that's your right and I respect it. Just don't sit there and bash hunters and hunting when we've done more for whitetail, elk, bear and turkey populations than animal rights activists ever have. Most of those morons don't realize that.

They always take the lazy route. They go vandalize a kill shelter, scowl at somebody eating a hamburgerorgo online and talk about how mean hunters are. It's a zero-sum game, really. I quit wasting my breath arguing with people like that, or even worrying about what they think or what they're doing. I know that as long as I have a bow or gun, and as long as there's a wild deer left on this planet, I'll be hunting, regardless of what they do or accomplish. That's all I need to know.

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awesome points quicksilver

-Travis-

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alright, it's time from another 2 cent from Travis. I want y'all to think bout this; Okay, if they think that we are at the same level as animals, and they think animals have "rights" (every time I hear 'animal' and 'rights' in the same scentence i kill 20 of somethin'), then there MUST be all other sorts of animals who are "guilty" of "murderinga fellow animal", such as The Bear, The Mountain Lion, The Wolf, ect. These predetors rely on meat, which means they are "murderers" just as much as we are. So why should they not be critisized by these fools? why shouldnt their homes get burnt down and picket lines at their dining areas? there's plenty of grass around they could eat! why not eat that? why shouldnt they be "presecuted" for "animal harrassment"? oh, wait, everyone settle down and be quiet, Mr.Kodiac H.Bear is taking the stand.

Secondly, we are smarter than vegetarians. Well obvious we are, we have a little thing called common scence and respect, but it is also ascientific fact. Protein (which happens to be plentiful in meat) is vital to cognitive reasoning and development. Cant argue with the facts...

-Travis-

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Not all vegetarians are "wacky", not good for hunting people. MOST, but not all. I have2 family members that are still or were diehardvegetarians.

My sister has been for the past 7 years. She just simply doesn't like to eat meat. She used to go fishing with me when I was younger, we used to shoot bows askids, andshe has been surrounded by hunting her whole life. Now as we have grown older, she doesn'treally enjoy the sight of the dead deer hanging in our tree, but sheunderstands why we hunt and how it helps the species.

The other is my bro in law. He was a vegetarian when he first married one of my sisters (He no longer is). He did simply as part of a diet. We go fishing, he used to squirril hunt, and talks hunting with us when hes over.

Now don't get me wrong at all, I am in no way trying to support these "animal lovers". Those guys on that site are IDIOTS and I in now way support or understand their logic. They are tree hugging wack jobs that don't understand how hunting is actually GOOD for the animals they care so much about.

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I give more credit to the vegetarians who are against hunting, then the ominvores who are also against it. At least they can back up their argument with actions. Although, given that most of them are also enviromentalists, they are a little short sited not considering the concern for the environment that hunting creates in its participants. And to me, it is more humane to give an animal the oportunity to live a free life and die the way they have for 200 000 years then to coop it up in a pen untill it is ready for slaughter.

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Good post, Illinois Buck Hunter.

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I say its about time for another frontal assult? What do ya say lethalconnection and wisebow? You flank em on the hunting side, and I will on religion side to side track?

Just kidding. I don't like to use scripture to cause pain. Thats the reason I went for pure witnessing in the end.

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hey bigcountry,I admire your knowingness of the Bible. I myself am I man of God also, and I use the Bible to back up everything. all thoise wackjobs are a little weird, how dare they call my life "murderin". Oh well, we'll just continue to eat meat and BE HEALTHY and keep on livin the American Dream. they can all stay in the city.


-Travis-

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I dont give any credit to any veg who supports PETA, cause PETA funds ALF and ELF (Animal Liberation Front and Ecological Liberation Front) who, by the way, are the two biggest domestic terrorist organizations in our country, and what they do is burn down farm houses. Aint no harder workers than American farmers, and these tofu eating freaks come and burn their life down? yeah, I got a problem with anyone who supports pETA or any other"animal rights"organizations


-Travis-