Albino bucks
 

we have an albino buck on our property that just shed is 5 year old rack. he would score 186 typical with a 21" inside spread. he is an absolute monster. in wisconsin you cannot shoot albinoes otherwisei would have shot him as a 3 1/2 yr old. as a mid 150's i had him under my tree for 20 minutes. i did get great footage. i will post pictures soon. what do you know about albinoes? any facts or information would be appreciated.

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Thank God I live in Texas. Down here he would be mounted and on the wall....LOL. In general albinos are genetically weaker animals. They can have all kinds of issues but the most common is poor eye sight.

-john

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yes that is one thing that i have noticed. eye sight is not as good. is he able to breed does?

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I would think so. If he is physically able to stay in the chase I don't see why he could not get a little here and there.

-john

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to best of my knowledge i think they can breed and pass on their genetics . i'm like tx in sc that would be shot on site and mounted no matter what rack size .

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well once i show you the pictures you will know why i am curious about passing on genetics. at age 3 he was mid 150's, age 4 he was 181" (based on sheds and a 20"spread) and at age 5 he was 186 or so (again based on sheds). he is truly an amazing buck.

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Is this deer an albino..(all white)...or a piebald..(NOTcompletelywhite)?

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That is a good law.... I think they should do that to the rest of the states. I see them as a unique kind of deer. Some of us hunter would like to see them up close too.

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I wonder what there logic is for not letting you shoot them?

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Wolf651 why is a law that protects an inferior animal good?

-john

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Don't end like this guy. Shooting a neighbors pet????????????

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Charges being considered in albino deer slaying
By RICK OLIVO
The Daily Press
Thursday, December 01st, 2005 09:05:01 AM






A Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources Conservation game warden's report has been turned over to the Bayfield County District Attorney in the investigation of the shooting of a mature albino deer buck during the gun deer season.
Under Wisconsin law, it is prohibited to shoot albino deer or white deer which are entirely white except for the hooves, tarsal glands head or parts of the head.
According to DNR warden Mark DiSalvo, the matter is still under investigation and no charges have yet been filed against anyone.
"Hopefully in the next couple or three days something will happen," he said. "We are still in the process of looking at the charges. It's not a simple either or situation. We are exploring options on that."


DiSalvo confirmed that an albino deer had been shot is the Cable area near Crystal Lake on November 21. He declined to identify the suspected shooter pending the filing of charges, and also declined to say if more than one person was suspected in the incident.
DiSalvo said many residents of the Crystal Lake area were "up in arms" over the shooting of what many residents had come to regard as a neighborhood pet.
"I am hearing about it, so we are proceeding with this thing to bring it to the best possible closure we can," he said.
Bayfield County District Attorney Craig Haukaas said he could add little to the information available on the matter.
"At this point the matter has been referred to me. We are continuing the investigation and will make a decision as to whether criminal or civil charges will be filed within the next week to 10 days," he said.
Haukaas said his office was considering options that included civil forfeiture for illegal possession of a deer, as well as possible criminal charges.
Haukaas acknowledged that there was considerable ire among local residents over the shooting.
"It wasn't a good thing to do and a lot of people over in the Crystal Lake area are pretty angry," he said. "They have watched this thing grow up for a lot of years."
A Cable resident, Linda Krajenka, said she and other neighbors have been admiring the albino buck for the past nine years, and they are upset about the shooting.
"There's absolutely no reason for that," she said.
No hunter had an excuse for shooting it because "there's no brown on him at all," she said.
Daily Press reporter Andrew Broman contributed to this report.


Buck was a favorite of Crystal Lake residents



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RE: Albino bucks
 

No problem. Down here we don't make them pets....we make them dinner.....LOL.

-john

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right on tx !!!! i think its stupid to have one as a pet i rather have it for supper . stupid laws they come up with !!!

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Most animals have the ability to be Albino. An albino can breed to other species. Albino trait is a recessive trait meaning two genes need to be present to get an albino. Albinos have no skin pigment at all making them white. The only reason there eyes are red is because they have blood vessels in their eyes. There eyes are sensitive to sunlight, and they cant see very well. They also dont live long in the wild because they cant see and they stand out and have no camoflage to hide them against predators. I dont see why states protect these animals because they just make more albinos and this can weaken the deer herd, because they can have other mutations in their body like a weak heart, bad lungs, etc.

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Could you get any more ignorant? Seriously man, just because an animal is inferior does not mean it has to die. While sure they may pass on some recessive traits that are not the best to the deer herd, what is the difference. The overpopulation of deer right now is out of hand and something small like an albino will not even hurt the population.
Also who are you to judge what is an inferior animal? We do not go killing every person who is suffering from a mental illness or permanent handicapped just because they are inferior to the majority our the population that is abled bodied?

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The buck you're referring to...Buffalo Cty, WI? Out toward the Cream area? I have a feeling I know the deer you're talking about.

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pictures?

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I know how about you kiss my arse.....Instead of calling me ignorant why don't you go to a library (its a place where they keep books) and find someone to read you one on genetics. Once they explain it tou you why don't you come back and join the conversation.

-john

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How would reading a book on genetics have anything to do with your idea of killing an inferior animal? And if you care to hate on my college education, i would sure love to know where you acquire your knowledge. And reading a book on genetics would not explain **** on why an animal in your eyes that is inferior has to die. Maybe the law is there because something that is so rare should be observed by all who see it and treasured.

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I have a BS in Agricultural Economics from Texas A&M University. I also have about 36 hours of Grad school. While I have worked for the same computer company for the last 14 years I grew up raising animals and have probably forgotten more about it then you will ever know. Most albinos are genetically inferior animals. Please explain to me why a hairbrained law protecting an inferior animal is good for the population. You started this by calling me ignorant. Show me your IQ by answering the question....

-john

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The fact it's genetics weaker is by all means true, lighter skin will make it stick out more to predators, and possible health complications was something mentioned earlier i do not know the extent that the fact it is albino could effect that but i'll go along with it because i do not know how being albino effects and animals vitals.
However, how often do you see an albino? If you have, fine thats great. But the greater majority of the hunter population, or population in general never has and probably never will. That is most likely the backbone of why the law protecting albino's was created. Is this a good law? Honestly, I do not believe so. But lawmakers passed it for a reason, and it is not that hard to understand why they would want to protect such a rariety.
The chromosomes that caused this animals genetics to mutate differently from the pack and produce an animal that has the recessive albino trait is something that in the long run will cause the animal to not survive in the wild as long as a "normal" deer would.
However, now that you have stated you have a B.S in Agricultural Science from a well known university. Please answer this; Albino is a recessive trait, we know this through evolution because otherwise there would be tons of albino's running around the woods. So, you're well educated. What happens when the recessive trait (albino trait)mates with a dominant trait (brown hair, non albino). The result is and normal deer. If the other deer is Ab recessive, and the albino is BB, the result is gonna most likely be an piebald. I have a feeling you'll agree with me on that on how genetics work.
On top of that, due to the albino's weaker vitals and sense's, they will not survive as long in nature do to predators. It's how evolution works, survival of the fittest, I am also sure since you have you're BS you are well aware of that and Darwin's theories. (Since it is now illegal to teach that in public highschools, and few are have the privilege to attend private school).
Honestly, I do not agree with that law. If i was out hunting and an albino strolled through, i would want to take it. However, that is just my opinion of the law. Why some states choose to enforce that law is their decision, and it is understandable why they do so. Through evolution the albino's will eventually work themselves out of the "gene pool". I'm sorry if you took offense to me calling you ignorant, however I can understand why some states governments would want to protect such a rare creature. Hopefully this argument will make you realize I am not just some idiot who thinks they know everything. I made my case and supported it with facts. Everyone is entitled to their opions and personal ethics, that is just another factor that makes humans stick out among every other animal. I understand you are entitled to yours' just like everybody else is. It is just my opinion that just because an animal is albino does not mean it has to die (from a hunter) in order to prevent it from harming the rest of the herd.

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Just too stir the pot. But just b/c and animal is special (albino) shouldn't mean that you have watch it and not shoot. Herd management is taking out the weaker genes(unwanted) and ensuring that next years crop will be strong, and taking of mature deer(I'm not an expert). Correct me if I'm wrong but TX is almost the capitol of whitetail herd management. What if they told you that you were not allowed to shoot any deer w/ racks larger than 3x3..... in your area? Just because anything bigger was 'special'? Where I live every deer is special.... they can survive through winter 6months of the year and mosquitoes the size of small helicopters the rest. And I hunt big woods.... 100sqkm of swamp and forest..... everybodies viewing pleasure , the only people out there are deer hunters and wood-cutters(most of whom hunt, mostly does in my area)who else is going to see an albino deer where I hunt. If I see one this year, it may never live to see another human. At least if I shoot it they'll see it in the paper. My 2 cents
It is legal here to shoot albino deer but illegal to bait or hunt w/in 800m of any standing crop. Sport?, Put that in your smoke and pipe it.LOL

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Lildevock that was a very good response. I wish our discussion had started that way. I never said that it had to be killed. I stated that the law protecting it was insane. I could care less if someone shoots it that is their personal choice. I just don't like it when the choice is taken away from the individual by the local government for absolutely no good reason.

-john

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i think you should be able to shoot them there discrimnating them poor animals hehe. If i were when that deer comes under your tree stand a would rambo it.

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I have to agree with Tex,stpid law.

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here is a picture of a huge albino buck:
http://www.whitetailworld.com/trophyroom/deer/unique-pictures/15/Image.aspx

it is huge! if this was illegal to shoot, most guys would have to think about it atleast for a minute anyway.

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Small world... That buck actually spends a lot of his time on a freind of mines farm in Buffalo co Wisc. My buddy has one matched set of sheds from him and a single from a different year. We see that buck every year up there. I don't have any pic's of that buck, but I video taped a bunch of white deer in South Eastern Wisc where I live. Mostly white phase, but a few true albinos. Here are some of mypic's...

Albino..


Same buck a different night...

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Here is a white phase buck I filmed in Dousman Wi.( White phase have black eyes and nose, albino's are pink)




Filmed this one near Fort adkinson Wisc.


Filmed this white doe near Helenville Wisc.


Here are 3 white deer, two adults each with a fawn, one brown, one white. Also filmed in Helenville.

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Here is a nice close up of a white doe I filmed near Jefforson Wisc. Notice you can see the black nose.. Not pink.

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Here is a large albino buck that lives near Rome Oak Hill Wisc. I see this buck alot while scouting but he has been pretty elusive when I have the camera in hand, this is my best shot of him...

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i agree with tx sounds like more stupid laws we have enough of them now

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that's great. do you know what the sheds scored? how old is he now?

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The matched sheds my buddy has off that buck scored around low to mid 170's... those sheds are from about 3 seasons ago. We have been seeing that buck on his farm for at least 9 years.... Which means he should be going down hill by now, but so far he keeps getting bigger.

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Shame I DONT see too many of those here in OHIO! They would be down with a full body mount!

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are you sureit is the same buck? the picture (hopefully i can paste it) says it is only 4.5 yr old and that was in 2004. maybe i am reading it wrong, but either way it is huge. the saying "if it's brown it's down!" couldn't be used here that's for sure.

(i can't paste it so this link should get you there)http://www.whitetailworld.com/trophy.../15/Image.aspx

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try this...

http://www.whitetailworld.com/trophyroom/deer/unique-pictures/15/Image.aspx

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Pretty sure its the same buck... They are probably guessing it is a 4.5 year old. I saw that buck way back when my buddy 1st bought that farm about 8 or 9 years ago, and we have seen it every year since... About two years ago pictures of the buck, including pics of him with the antlers my buddy picked up, started seficing all over the internet. I could tell it was the same buck before I even seen the Buffalo co. statement.

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i am curious now about this big albino buck. i got ahold of the guys at whitetailworld.com and they are positive that the buck is 4.5 in this picture. the buck was born in 2000. they are 100% positive on that. they told me to look for an upcoming article on their site with pictures and video documenting this super freak. does this mean there are two big bucks like that running around?

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If there positive its a 4.5 year old, its a different buck... Ask them if it lives in the Fountain city area. Thats where the one we have been watching lives. I last seen the buck two seasons ago and it was in the 170 class range as a 10 pointer, my buddy picked up the sheds, one even still had some white hairs around the pedical. I also seen a pic floating all over the internet last year with that buck and those antlers... This rack looks very simalar, but slightly larger. My buddy said it was a 180 class last year though?